[GL] Fizz-y Soda Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) What are you suggesting? - Discontinuation of staff interviews. There have been many cases where questionable members of the community have been given staff titles. All of which obtained staff from interviews. Lately, staff have been in the spot light, and not in a good way. So we need to crack down who gets staff and how. I've seen many people say, "I wanna be staff but don't wanna make an application. So I'll just wait for interviews." People are being conditioned to make less effort to be staff because it's easier to get accepted when you go to interviews and this is why it always ends up bad. People with no experience or rep will nail the interview, only to get removed and restricted days later. It's harder to get accepted through the application process because your credentials are in plain sight. People can look into your profile and see how active you are, and punishment history. You have to also gain community support. I'm not saying the HOS or HA have been making bad decisions, but have had incorrect judgments of people because they were given what they wanted to hear. For those that would use the argument, "Well, not enough people are applying so interviews are a faster way of getting staff." Yes, but have you thought they don't apply BECAUSE it's easier during interviews? If they know they will get denied because they're too new, they'll just go to an interview. Then boom, staff report, or loads of warn appeals for incorrect warns. If people cannot get staff the easy way, their only choice is to make the effort to apply. If they really want it, they'll do it. If they refuse to make the effort, then clearly they should not be staff because then how would they be trusted to make the sit quota. How would this change better the server? - More competent staff members being added with community support. Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - Less waves of Trial mods Who would this change mostly benefit? - Everyone Please link any workshop content, screenshots, or anything that you think may be helpful to those who view this suggestion - N/A Edited July 29, 2021 by [GL] Fizz-y Soda Can't spell for shit 4 CI CMDR / CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jummy Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 +Support I don't think this is ENTIRELY the best idea, but the interviews could use a rework. Not gonna deny that I got into staff from an interview, though. Research Administrator | R.A.U. Commissioner | External Agent 3 "Oyasumi" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Weeb Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) +support Not only is the interview just easier to get accepted in but it only takes like 1 hour where has applying on the forum takes like a week or 2 for some people so people think its easier from that stance too Staff Application on the forums ---------------------> Interview with SMT --------------------------------> Accepting the player into the staff team ^ ^ ^ Community Opinion Senior Management Teams Opinion All opinions together Edited July 29, 2021 by Some minge SCP-RP - Former: Moderator/ET, Security SFTO SM, Research Researcher, MTF Alpha-1 Sgt, MTF Alpha-1 "Alpha-6", Noob-7 Cpl, D5 RCT, R&D SIN, T-2 Blackjack, HFR, DHBI and E-11 DoFTO HCE SM | Current: CI Military DHLS SFTO SM Imperial-RP - Former - Moderator, Royal Guard Senior Guard, Shadow Guard Lead, Stormtrooper 2LT, 501st MSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack (utility one) Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 +support I've always been a person why liked to apply for something to where the community can give feedback, it makes it so where people can say their concerns, if any, and I can better myself off those responses. I think making people do that is a way to constructively criticize those who need it, in a way that doesn't directly offend them (hopefully). As well I have been told that the interviews are easy as pie and there has definitely been some questionable staff accepted due to this process (this isn't recent, this has always been an issue). But some times people prefer the interviews as their shy of making a post and feeling that they can receive a 'community backlash' in the responses. I see the benefit and downside to both but think more of a community vote, even tho it's not up to us, on who is staff would be much better than a 1 on 1 or however many people are there. There are gods in Alabama: Jack Daniel's, high school quarterbacks, trucks, big tits, and also Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beepis Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 +support on reworking interviews an interviewee can become staff in less than 2 hours where as applying for one takes 2 weeks or so. Possibly giving like a day or so, so the admins can think about who should/shouldnt get staff -Support on disabling them entirely Retired E-11Captain Beepis 3R7H "It takes many good deeds to build a good reputation, and only one bad one to lose it" -Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nydekore Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 +Support on a rework and I might have an idea how they could be properly transformed. I think the way this could be performed is by having everyone go through application AND interview. This would provide time for the community to give their opinions on someone wishing to be staff and time for SMT to personally meet their staff-member-to-be's. Applicants would first have to be approved on the forums for an interview and then staff interviews could either be hosted on Rookieblue's scheduling or they could be bi-weekly or something like that. Of course, not everyone is perfect at applications, however in this system the application would show the amount of work they're willing to put in and the response from the community regarding the applicants behavior. Former: Deputy Head of Research | MTF Nu-7 Captain x2 | SCPRP Super Admin | MTF O-1 Major Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yato Sensei Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 + Support I honestly think the interview should be made AFTER the Staff Application is accepted. Yes it complicates the process but it can assure that the community is fine with the person given power AND SMT can see how good they really are personally. Joined 09/30/2020Retired 11/12/2022Former Security SFC || Former MTF Omi9 MSGT || Former CI CPT/MAJ || Former Nu7 LTCOL/VCMDR || Former E11 CPL || Former Maintenance Professional || Former D5 CPT || Former Senior Medic || Former Advanced Researcher | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon Dice Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 18 hours ago, Jummy said: +Support I don't think this is ENTIRELY the best idea, but the interviews could use a rework. Not gonna deny that I got into staff from an interview, though. Demonically Inspired ..Nu7 CMDR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guinea Pig Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 14 hours ago, Yato Sensei said: + Support I honestly think the interview should be made AFTER the Staff Application is accepted. Yes it complicates the process but it can assure that the community is fine with the person given power AND SMT can see how good they really are personally. The amount of people that have gotten into staff via this is crazy 1 [SCP-RP] Retired E-11 COL, HFTO and D4 Head | Former CI MSGT/2LT | Former Alpha-1 "Red-Right Hand" Guardian Delta-9 | Former Nu7 2LT/SM HSU Conscript | Former Om-9 2LT and EXP Seasoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Grayson Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 20 hours ago, Jummy said: +Support I don't think this is ENTIRELY the best idea, but the interviews could use a rework. Not gonna deny that I got into staff from an interview, though. EX MAJ In MIL EX A2 In E4 Current VCMDR Of Sarkic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Boi Sawrunner Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Interviews shouldn't be gotten rid of entirely, but the screening process should be far more strict for it. They still have their place I think, but we need to be more sure with what we are getting. +Support in any case. Daddy D Boi |Previously CI SGM XB1 and RAM|Formerly Agent Starboi| CCs: Frank West | Doctor Samuel Hayden | Solid Snake | CI Recon Force | Drip Hank Hill | The O7 Bois (Owner of Sunsetters) The Femboi With The Fubar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripjaw56789 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 +/- A few bad apples get in through applications as well, its just seen more with the interviews, however some amazing staff have gotten in through interviews (Including a guy who made it to JMT via these, resigned a long time ago, and was JMT on a diff GL server), I am all for making it a bit harder to get in through Interviews but not discontinuing them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gaming Goat Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 On 7/29/2021 at 1:28 PM, Jummy said: +Support I don't think this is ENTIRELY the best idea, but the interviews could use a rework. Not gonna deny that I got into staff from an interview, though. Yea rework/remove them I mean people like me got staff through interviews, we dont want that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprink Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 19 hours ago, Ya Boi Sawrunner said: Interviews shouldn't be gotten rid of entirely, but the screening process should be far more strict for it. They still have their place I think, but we need to be more sure with what we are getting. +Support in any case. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookieblue Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 You know we literally ask the same questions in the interview that are on the staff applications, right? The only difference between interviews and applications is that one is verbal and the lack of community feedback. The feedback issue is offset by having veteran staff members also attend the interviews who provide feedback on the individual if they're familiar with them based on their experience with them in RP or staff based settings. 2 2 Retired SCP-RP Head of Staff March 3rd, 2019 - December 16th, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Fizz-y Soda Posted August 2, 2021 Author Share Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Rookieblue said: You know we literally ask the same questions in the interview that are on the staff applications, right? The only difference between interviews and applications is that one is verbal and the lack of community feedback. Exactly my point. Also is word count applied towards those verbal answers? 6 hours ago, Rookieblue said: The feedback issue is offset by having veteran staff members also attend the interviews who provide feedback on the individual if they're familiar with them based on their experience with them in RP or staff based settings. But if you're going to rely on player feedback, why not just lean towards forum based applications instead of relying on vet players to also attend the interviews. They won't always attend. If you focus on forum applications, then you have a greater sample size of the WHOLE community for feedback, not just 5-10 veteran players. (Not actual count, just example.) If the effort and time is moved from scheduling TS interviews, to reviewing current applications on the forums, then applications will be more of a success. Edited August 2, 2021 by [GL] Fizz-y Soda CI CMDR / CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Weeb Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Rookieblue said: You know we literally ask the same questions in the interview that are on the staff applications, right? The only difference between interviews and applications is that one is verbal and the lack of community feedback. The feedback issue is offset by having veteran staff members also attend the interviews who provide feedback on the individual if they're familiar with them based on their experience with them in RP or staff based settings. I dont disagree with you but if you look at it from our point of view there is a 100% higher chance of someone like me or regular member seeing a player and their conduct rather than a few senior staff members. Therefore it is better when the applications are made available to the community so that way anyone that has interacted with said player may speak on their interactions. I am going to stick with a +support Edited August 2, 2021 by Some minge SCP-RP - Former: Moderator/ET, Security SFTO SM, Research Researcher, MTF Alpha-1 Sgt, MTF Alpha-1 "Alpha-6", Noob-7 Cpl, D5 RCT, R&D SIN, T-2 Blackjack, HFR, DHBI and E-11 DoFTO HCE SM | Current: CI Military DHLS SFTO SM Imperial-RP - Former - Moderator, Royal Guard Senior Guard, Shadow Guard Lead, Stormtrooper 2LT, 501st MSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nydekore Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 8 hours ago, Rookieblue said: You know we literally ask the same questions in the interview that are on the staff applications, right? The only difference between interviews and applications is that one is verbal and the lack of community feedback. The feedback issue is offset by having veteran staff members also attend the interviews who provide feedback on the individual if they're familiar with them based on their experience with them in RP or staff based settings. There's no way that such a small group of staff know everyone that come into those interviews unfortunately. I don't think you guys have bad judgement, but there's simply no way of telling if they're lying to you. That's why I think an application looked at by the community first could work better. 1 Former: Deputy Head of Research | MTF Nu-7 Captain x2 | SCPRP Super Admin | MTF O-1 Major Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Himself Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 On 7/31/2021 at 4:26 PM, The Gaming Goat said: Yea rework/remove them I mean people like me got staff through interviews, we dont want that to happen. 1 CI Military Sergeant Major | CI R&D Assistant Archivist and Lead of Sleuths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazzy Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 On 7/29/2021 at 1:28 PM, Jummy said: +Support I don't think this is ENTIRELY the best idea, but the interviews could use a rework. Not gonna deny that I got into staff from an interview, though. Former CI 1st LT | Former Head Longshot | Former E4 (D4) Former ma blazzu | Former HLPR Bot aV4 Former SCP-RP Event Team | Former SCP-RP Moderator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piller Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 16 hours ago, Some minge said: I dont disagree with you but if you look at it from our point of view there is a 100% higher chance of someone like me or regular member seeing a player and their conduct rather than a few senior staff members. Therefore it is better when the applications are made available to the community so that way anyone that has interacted with said player may speak on their interactions. I am going to stick with a +support Gonna have to agree with Some Minge on this. It's a very valid point. SCP-RP Head of Staff | Ethics Committee Chairman Former Nu-7 VCMDR l Former GenSec CPT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a frog Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 On 7/29/2021 at 12:28 PM, Jummy said: +Support I don't think this is ENTIRELY the best idea, but the interviews could use a rework. Not gonna deny that I got into staff from an interview, though. 23 hours ago, Pillercat said: Gonna have to agree with Some Minge on this. It's a very valid point. staff interviews be like When You Have A Theoretical Degree In Physics [FALLOUT_ NEW VEGAS].mp4 4 E11 1LT []FORMER CI MAJOR[]Former MTF OMICRON-9 CAPTAIN[]Former Janitorial Low Command[]Former E11 HCMD[Former overseer of D4,Former experimental, Former E4]"The fuck is a ethics committee?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvist Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 +/-SUPPORT The biggest positive I can see for this suggestion is the perceived community input that goes into the staff selection process when it's done via the forums. I say perceived because if the higher-ups don't want somebody as staff, they sure as hell won't choose them, regardless of all the support in the world. Either way, I can definitely see why the community would be happier with saying their piece to staff team hopefuls. On the other hand, we're cherry picking. I guarantee there have been awful staff members who have applied via the forum and competent staff who applied via the interview process, it's just that the awful ones stand out more. Plus, while I'm all for the community having a say in many matters, staff team selection is one of those things that may just be better left to management. I like the current balance where interviews seem to be only open sometimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Fryingpan36 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) On 8/1/2021 at 11:42 AM, Rookieblue said: You know we literally ask the same questions in the interview that are on the staff applications, right? The only difference between interviews and applications is that one is verbal and the lack of community feedback. The feedback issue is offset by having veteran staff members also attend the interviews who provide feedback on the individual if they're familiar with them based on their experience with them in RP or staff based settings. He's right it also give SMT and JMT a opportunity to talk to the staff members before accepting it -Support Edited August 5, 2021 by [GL] Fryingpan36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igneous Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/1/2021 at 2:42 PM, Rookieblue said: You know we literally ask the same questions in the interview that are on the staff applications, right? The only difference between interviews and applications is that one is verbal and the lack of community feedback. The feedback issue is offset by having veteran staff members also attend the interviews who provide feedback on the individual if they're familiar with them based on their experience with them in RP or staff based settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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