Raze Staff Report- Denied

[John Newsom]

Your In-Game Name: John Newsom 

Your SteamID: STEAM_0:1:493870318

Staff member's In-Game Name: Raze

What did they do? He delated our car for no reason. He abused his power. We told him that Matthew who was manger at the time said that soul could use the car.

Evidence (REQUIRED): https://streamable.com/obj6d8

What do you think is an acceptable punishment? Strike/ Demotion whatever SMT deems necessary.  

[Alex Raddish]

+Support

Didn't look into verifying anything, just went right to deleting your car without confirmation that you couldn't use it. The fact another Senior Admin had to drag Raze up to the roof is unacceptable, he didn't bother to ask in admin chat or have a respectful conversation about it. He seemed hostile and agitated from the beginning and should have looked into the issue before immediately taking unnecessary action.

(To reiterate I'm not +Supporting for any clear evidence of abuse, but rather that Raze could have handled this a lot better, his attitude, mannerisms, patience and decision-making in this situation could have been much better)

Edited March 6, 2021 by Alex Raddish
Clearing confusion

[Mag1c]

45 minutes ago, Alex Raddish said:

+Support

Didn't look into verifying anything, just went right to deleting your car without confirmation that you couldn't use it. The fact another Senior Admin had to drag Raze up to the roof is unacceptable, he didn't bother to ask in admin chat or have a respectful conversation about it. He seemed hostile and agitated from the beginning and should have looked into the issue before immediately taking unnecessary action.

I agree with Alex, we had told him multiple times that we had a Mangers permission to have it and he still decided to delete our car.

[WinkleStink_69]

2 hours ago, Alex Raddish said:

+Support

Didn't look into verifying anything, just went right to deleting your car without confirmation that you couldn't use it. The fact another Senior Admin had to drag Raze up to the roof is unacceptable, he didn't bother to ask in admin chat or have a respectful conversation about it. He seemed hostile and agitated from the beginning and should have looked into the issue before immediately taking unnecessary action.

 

[~𝓢𝓞𝓤𝓛~]

Honestly I like raze and if and I don’t really mind obviously it was against the staff handbook but I guess he tried to to do it for a good reason. He wasn’t aware at the time I had perms to use the clan car on my cc so he deleted it making sure I wouldn’t get in trouble. So I’m just going to put a -/+ support 

[jackyman21]

-support

changing to -support after additional context

Edited March 6, 2021 by jackyman21

[Zero X]

-Support

Who gave permission for soul to use the car

because he does not have it added to the custom class so if I were an admin I would delete it too, I added the car to the server and to my knowledge no one else has it in their cc so who gave him permission because if so can I have permission to use any car I want I didn’t pay for aswell?

oh it was Matthew okay well an admin not knowing a smt gave him permission to drive the car is understandable because he didn’t pay for it but what’s the point of paying for something if smt allows people who didn’t pay for it to use it?

Edited March 6, 2021 by ZerØ

[MiniEpic]

3 hours ago, Alex Raddish said:

+Support

Didn't look into verifying anything, just went right to deleting your car without confirmation that you couldn't use it. The fact another Senior Admin had to drag Raze up to the roof is unacceptable, he didn't bother to ask in admin chat or have a respectful conversation about it. He seemed hostile and agitated from the beginning and should have looked into the issue before immediately taking unnecessary action.

Yeah, Really didn't verify anything and just deleted car.

[Requis]

3 hours ago, Alex Raddish said:

+Support

Didn't look into verifying anything, just went right to deleting your car without confirmation that you couldn't use it. The fact another Senior Admin had to drag Raze up to the roof is unacceptable, he didn't bother to ask in admin chat or have a respectful conversation about it. He seemed hostile and agitated from the beginning and should have looked into the issue before immediately taking unnecessary action.

 

[Drake Man]

3 hours ago, Alex Raddish said:

+Support

Didn't look into verifying anything, just went right to deleting your car without confirmation that you couldn't use it. The fact another Senior Admin had to drag Raze up to the roof is unacceptable, he didn't bother to ask in admin chat or have a respectful conversation about it. He seemed hostile and agitated from the beginning and should have looked into the issue before immediately taking unnecessary action.

Agreed, He really didnt attempt to hear soul or anyone else out about how they had permission and he just deleted it. + Support from me

[Max Holland]

I wouldn’t say he deleted the car for no reason. He obviously did not know that they were allowed to use that car. Wouldn’t really say this is abuse, raze did what any staff member would do, enforce the rules!

-support 

Edited March 6, 2021 by Max Holland

[Abu]

-support

3 hours ago, John Newsom said:

He delated our car for no reason.

The car was not on the CC and you did not pay for it, so you can't spawn it, that is a good reason

matthew was not manager at the time (or maybe he was if this is old) so he cant give you permission to use it, even if he was, how was raze supposed to know that

still could of been handled differently

Edited March 6, 2021 by Abu

[SupremeChow]

-Support

• Word of mouth isn't valid proof, give evidence of Matthew allowing it or else what Raze did was valid 

"Custom Class' may NOT spawn in CC cars that the CC does not own or bought. If doing so could result in the following: Losing permission to have CC cars or Custom Class removal. "

[Pvp_Savage6767]

3 hours ago, Alex Raddish said:

+Support

Didn't look into verifying anything, just went right to deleting your car without confirmation that you couldn't use it. The fact another Senior Admin had to drag Raze up to the roof is unacceptable, he didn't bother to ask in admin chat or have a respectful conversation about it. He seemed hostile and agitated from the beginning and should have looked into the issue before immediately taking unnecessary action.

 

[-=GHS=-baconwindu (MCBros)]

- Support

When was this clip made? If it was after Matthew's resignation, I don't see how Matthew could authorize this permission. 

Even if it was before, I think that if it was a regular player staff would delete the car, then figure out what/how permission was given. He didn't even have time to do that, as after deleting the car Magic just brought him up to the roof. Although it could've been handled differently, I don't think this is a violation of the staff handbook. If anything, it shows that Raze does not let fellow staff members affect how he staffs.

ADDITIONALLY if this video is old, I don't see why it is being posted now. Seems like a revenge report almost.... Reports that were made late have been denied in the past, and I hope that standard is held in this post.

Edited March 6, 2021 by -=GHS=-baconwindu (MCBros)

[[GL] Spoon]

-Support

2 hours ago, Max Holland said:

I wouldn’t say he deleted the car for no reason. He obviously did not know that they were allowed to use that car. Wouldn’t really say this is abuse, raze did what any staff member would do, enforce the rules!

I agree with Max Holland here, as a man in Raze's position anyone would have done the same, solve the issue then ask questions later. CC Car's are also inaccessible to anyone who did not purchase said vehicle. Secondly, I see evidence of Raze deleting the vehicle but I don't see any evidence of Matthew approving the use of this vehicle. 
 

Edited March 6, 2021 by [GL] Spoon

[RAZE..]

From my end it was the first day that the car was added to the server and when I went up to the car I made sure that the owner of the car was not on a SYP CC. Then I asked why they are driving it and before I deleted it and no one responded. When I deleted it they then told me that they had perms from Matthew ( Matthew was still manager at this point). I then told them that they could get the car back out if they had Matthew perms. 

[Parry]

50 minutes ago, SupremeChow said:

-Support

• Word of mouth isn't valid proof, give evidence of Matthew allowing it or else what Raze did was valid 

"Custom Class' may NOT spawn in CC cars that the CC does not own or bought. If doing so could result in the following: Losing permission to have CC cars or Custom Class removal. "

And plus I feel like any staff member would do that

https://gaminglight.com/forums/topic/71595-let-us-use-custom-cars-on-any-job-denied/

Also the post about driving CC cars while off the certain CC was just denied by current manager Eternity

Edited March 6, 2021 by Parry

[Earl Scruggs]

29 minutes ago, Max Holland said:

I wouldn’t say he deleted the car for no reason. He obviously did not know that they were allowed to use that car. Wouldn’t really say this is abuse, raze did what any staff member would do, enforce the rules!

-support 

-Support no abuse shown. He was doing his job.

[BruceyBoyo]

-Support

Manager's perms are Manager's perms but I can understand Raze not hearing the response after asking "who let you use this" (you can hear Soul reply "-atthe-" which I probably wouldn't have registered as "Matthew") especially as it's a serious issue if people actually do misuse the CC dealer.

Kinda some not-ideal stuff happening but I don't think it comes anywhere close to the standard of abuse, and this report is essentially "Raze abused his powers by not understanding the middle syllable of the word Matthew from inside a loud car accelerating away". If people are going to get in trouble for not understanding a cut-off chunk of a word over an accelerating car, then I and probably a large chunk of the community are going to get permabanned.

[Lime King]

+/- support
I don't really think deleting a car is a big deal tbh it's not like you were in the middle of RP or anything

40 minutes ago, SupremeChow said:

-Support

• Word of mouth isn't valid proof, give evidence of Matthew allowing it or else what Raze did was valid 

"Custom Class' may NOT spawn in CC cars that the CC does not own or bought. If doing so could result in the following: Losing permission to have CC cars or Custom Class removal. "

^I wouldn't wanna see someone drive a car I donated (unless it was SMT)

[Noah REmiX]

48 minutes ago, RAZE.. said:

From my end it was the first day that the car was added to the server and when I went up to the car I made sure that the owner of the car was not on a SYP CC. Then I asked why they are driving it and before I deleted it and no one responded. When I deleted it they then told me that they had perms from Matthew ( Matthew was still manager at this point). I then told them that they could get the car back out if they had Matthew perms. 

- Support

 

[tEDDY34]

2 hours ago, Max Holland said:

I wouldn’t say he deleted the car for no reason. He obviously did not know that they were allowed to use that car. Wouldn’t really say this is abuse, raze did what any staff member would do, enforce the rules!

-support 

I agree with max on this one

[Frog]

2 hours ago, Max Holland said:

I wouldn’t say he deleted the car for no reason. He obviously did not know that they were allowed to use that car. Wouldn’t really say this is abuse, raze did what any staff member would do, enforce the rules!

-support 

Seems like a misunderstanding, not abuse.

[Phil]

3 hours ago, Max Holland said:

I wouldn’t say he deleted the car for no reason. He obviously did not know that they were allowed to use that car. Wouldn’t really say this is abuse, raze did what any staff member would do, enforce the rules!

-support