Dagger Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 What are you suggesting? - The outright removal of what most consider "crouch jump spam". This can be done in a variety of ways. One could be to introduce stamina into the server, but that would change combat a lot. I would suggest adding a cooldown of perhaps 1 second in between crouch jumps. How would this change better the server? - Let me start this off by saying that I understand that this is probably a controversial topic, and I only want what's best for the server. Since I've joined back about a month ago, the biggest issue I've had with the server is crouch jump spam. If I die, I generally like to learn from how I died so I can prevent it in the future. My first thought when entering combat should be "How good is my opponents aim", not "How fast can my opponent spam 2 keys on their keyboard so they can jump 3 times their height and mess with their hitbox". Also, due to the way hitboxes work, almost all bullets will be counted as limb shots rather than body shots and deal much less damage. This "tactic" is generally annoying to fight when playing on a combatant job, but that's really it, just annoying. When playing on SCPs however this is a completely different story. Due to the vast majority of SCPs using a one hit kill SWEP with a cooldown, crouch jump spamming can be detrimental to the SCP. Because of hitboxes, it is incredibly difficult to hit people with your SWEP when they crouch jump spam, and generally makes playing SCPs less enjoyable and makes you feel like you wasted 25 minutes trying to self-breach. Overall, in my opinion crouch jump spamming makes combat on the server much less enjoyable, and makes it feel like combat is not based off of aim and skill but rather how good you are at abusing a janky game mechanic. Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - This is obviously going to be an automatic nerf to players the crouch jump spam. Who would this change mostly benefit? - Every SCP as well as the vast majority of the players on the server. Hell, a point Security often uses when saying that they need better guns is because D-Class CCs abuse crouch jump spamming to mess with their hitboxes, so I think this change would make them happier. Please link any workshop content, screenshots, or anything that you think may be helpful to those who view this suggestion - N/A, simply add a cooldown on crouching. Crouch jump spamming in action against an SCP: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/PRoFwQ_JYbrez/d1337DdogR8Y?invite=cr-MSxPN2wsMTk1MDg4Mjks If you -Support, please be respectful and give a genuine reason other than "get better aim" or "skill issue". 1 1 Former CI CPT Ender CE3650 / C5 Cataphract V / D1 Freeman I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossatron1924 Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 (edited) -support gmod feature Edited January 21, 2023 by Bossatron1924 Current: CI COL | CI RND SVA | Proud Rho 36 Shaman and Rho 36 "Infiltrator" Group Vanguard Former: MTF E11 LTCOL | A1 2LT | SF Aphrodite Z36 | STF D4 Ares BA4 | Banana Fridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker_ Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 + Support would be so much better combat Easiest way would just make guns innacurate when jumping or not able to shoot while in the air. Username: Stryker Status: Resigned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nydekore Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 +Support People will likely dislike it at first because they're so used to it but it would vastly improve combat. Former: Deputy Head of Research | MTF Nu-7 Captain x2 | SCPRP Super Admin | MTF O-1 Major Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Velvet Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 -support gmod has always had this issue, never seen a server successfully implement it, and if gensec asked for better guns for this reason I expect for them to be removed if they manage to implement this successfully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
styx Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 -support bro this as been suggested many times but it is to hard to track and also gmod feature just aim better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doglauncher Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 -support umm i think using multiple keys and different keys as combos or typing is what a keyboard is for so i dont think you can stop this Security | The Unknown | Former Researcher | Former E11 | Former CI | Former CI RnD | "Whats up Mayn..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Grayson Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 +support this ruins pvp entirely EX MAJ In MIL EX A2 In E4 Current VCMDR Of Sarkic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch- Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 -support dont you steal my bhopping from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMG Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 53 minutes ago, doglauncher said: -support umm i think using multiple keys and different keys as combos or typing is what a keyboard is for so i dont think you can stop this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ein Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 +Support I've always been for more "realistic" combat in the server, I'm not saying "guys we need to add leaning and prone and it needs to be like rainbow six siege because tacticool realism!!!" but like what has been said, it is unfun to fight against someone using crouch jump spam, and I've used it endlessly to get out of situations I probably shouldn't have gotten out of. RETIRED Security Colonel / Warden Legate / Juggernaut Enforcer / Research Administrator / M.A.D. Site Operations Chief / RRA Professor / MTF Delta-5 'Front Runners' Captain / Veteran Raptor Operative / Internal Affairs Agency Assistant Director / MTF Nu-7 'Hammer Down' Captain / Covert Agent / Deputy Head Field Training Officer / UN Global Occult Coalition Corporal / Combat Medic Tactical Paramedic / R&D Scientist / Marksman Recon Specialist / MTF Alpha-1 'Red Right Hand' Major / Enforcer Squadron Lead "We are the first line of defense. We are the first responders tasked to save those in danger. We have the responsibility to ensure the safety and well-being of all staff members. Because of that, you are the bravest men I have ever had the honor to serve with.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazza Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 -support if you want more realistic combat go to civilgamers Freedom at last. Former: Assistant Inspector, Head of Longshot, Research Assistant Supervisor & Operations Supervisor, G.O.C. Officer & Head of bulldozers, CI COL, EOI D-2, DJ Former: Scout Captain, Second Lieutenant, Senior Crewman, Storm Commando Captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardo Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) +support I don't know how will they implement this but this is very unfair to scps cause they cant kill you with crouch jumping only with luck hoping their hitreg gets registered. Crouching jumping is the main reason i keep suggesting buffs to more scps. imagine bhopping cringe everyone plays like a normal person Here is the reason why crouch jumping spam is stupid, in this clip Scp-939 cant literally hit me. The existence of it makes it all scps should have attack speed buffs so they can actually kill people in RP. its just powergaming if you cannot be killed. scp branch being the worst in scp rp is something I never would have thought https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/RH8CVnj5gFYDo/d13377r7tXjA?invite=cr-MSx0ZzUsMTU5NjgzNDQwLA Edited January 22, 2023 by Ardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprink Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 18 hours ago, Stryker_ said: + Support would be so much better combat Easiest way would just make guns innacurate when jumping or not able to shoot while in the air. Deputy Head of Security | Executive Event Team | Admin | Forum Diplomat | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalon Levi Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 18 hours ago, Stryker_ said: + Support would be so much better combat Easiest way would just make guns innacurate when jumping or not able to shoot while in the air. +Support 11 hours ago, Ein said: +Support I've always been for more "realistic" combat in the server, I'm not saying "guys we need to add leaning and prone and it needs to be like rainbow six siege because tacticool realism!!!" but like what has been said, it is unfun to fight against someone using crouch jump spam, and I've used it endlessly to get out of situations I probably shouldn't have gotten out of. PvP with crouch jump Spam has been a problem for a really long time, adding leaning n prone would be much better. "So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God" ~ Isaiah 41:10Currently: Head Of Research | HOSM Sub-Zero | Ghost OA0 | Emeritus Professor | R.A.U Grand Commissioner Former: Security 1LT | Medical Supervisor | Moderator | Event Team Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Velvet Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 30 minutes ago, Avalon Levi said: +Support PvP with crouch jump Spam has been a problem for a really long time, adding leaning n prone would be much better. if they added leaning and prone I would be down to change my minus to +, but I wouldnt be surprised if they were prioritizing RP updates and changes rn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeaR x Green Pikachu Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Cant wait for a CC with no head hitbox to lean and win every fight and proning is just gonna get the person killed every time due to guns not killing in 1-3 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer2 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I'm sorry but this will destroy combat system also crouch jumping aint hard to counter honestly -Suppport 14 hours ago, Ardo said: +support I don't know how will they implement this but this is very unfair to scps cause they cant kill you with crouch jumping only with luck hoping their hitreg gets registered. Crouching jumping is the main reason i keep suggesting buffs to more scps. imagine bhopping cringe everyone plays like a normal person Here is the reason why crouch jumping spam is stupid, in this clip Scp-939 cant literally hit me. The existence of it makes it all scps should have attack speed buffs so they can actually kill people in RP. its just powergaming if you cannot be killed. scp branch being the worst in scp rp is something I never would have thought https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/RH8CVnj5gFYDo/d13377r7tXjA?invite=cr-MSx0ZzUsMTU5NjgzNDQwLA First point thats not crouch jump Next point its cuz their swep is trash at hitting If he wasnt being shot from 5 sides he could've easily killed you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Destroyer2 said: I'm sorry but this will destroy combat system also crouch jumping aint hard to counter honestly -Suppport First point thats not crouch jump Next point its cuz their swep is trash at hitting If he wasnt being shot from 5 sides he could've easily killed you TRUE honestly Skill issue just learn Crouch spamming not that hard Retired Nu-7 Vice Commander Pure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeferGaming Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 + support It ruins combat the way it is now SCP/Medical Senior-Command/Manager/Head of Field Work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Johnson Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 +support you can just limit how many times you can crouch / jump Seen it done on other servers Hitreg is shit enough without fucking it with crouch spamming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Weeb Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 -Support ?_? Im lost SCP-RP - Former: Moderator/ET, Security SFTO SM, Research Researcher, MTF Alpha-1 Sgt, MTF Alpha-1 "Alpha-6", Noob-7 Cpl, D5 RCT, R&D SIN, T-2 Blackjack, HFR, DHBI and E-11 DoFTO HCE SM | Current: CI Military DHLS SFTO SM Imperial-RP - Former - Moderator, Royal Guard Senior Guard, Shadow Guard Lead, Stormtrooper 2LT, 501st MSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Inaccurate Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 On 1/21/2023 at 4:41 PM, Nydekore said: +Support People will likely dislike it at first because they're so used to it but it would vastly improve combat. "Pay increase declined. Welcome to the Foundation, get used to it." -O5-6 3rd time Head of Medical Staff | Ex-Director of Research and Security | Ex-Director of Utility | Ex-Senior Admin for SCP-RP | Ex-Admin for TTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer2 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) Again it would just make people go to CivilGamers SCP RP server, dont you think? Edited January 23, 2023 by Destroyer2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boesermaster Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 48 minutes ago, Destroyer2 said: Again it would just make people go to civil, dont you think? I have no idea who Civil is , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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