Bring back A1 (edited) - Denied

[Jack (utility one)]

What are you suggesting? - That A1 should make a return to the server.
Alternative Suggestion - I feel people are eh about this. So an alternative suggestion is still an addition of a new branch but one more related to what I'm actually suggesting this new A1 be.
http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/list-of-foundation-s-internal-departments go to Internal Security Department and read there. It's basic description is to basically interrogate people but I feel like extending this to again internal affair issues. If this get's more + or people get interested then I'll add more to it, possibly shifting the suggestion to it.
Another good Alternative - Read @Breadsuggestion on page 3 in the comments, this would be a good alternative.

How would this change the server? - A1 would add some once lost RP to the server. With their removal a huge portion of RP on the server was lost. Them enforcing things that are REDACTED would remain REDACTED and not said every 5 minutes. Where some JR would shout 05 and just get a slap on the wrist and just go do it again, where A1 would  interrogate them on how they knew that information and such. As the server right now is shoot shoot with a researcher here and there and a guy swinging at a pipe. A1 would be a bridge between combat and RP branches like it used to. It will also help with some issues where MTF have to choose between SCP's, CI, and people leaking information and just total chaos. Where E11 can handle CI, Nu7 SCP's, and A1 can protect high ranking officials as well as helping maintain other branches as the other MTF groups deal with everything else. With them there also won't be a need for SF to constantly deal with information leaks as again that is A1's main job, with even a class solely dedicated for torture and interrogations. This also gives people who love RP as well as some combat a chance to embrace MTF, instead of a combatant class which just isn't the same. Where someone from research or utility can feel important and badass while protecting their VIP from harm, or some security feeling important for passing the A1 tryouts, giving him a boost in his self pride and experience on the server. This is something almost anyone can enjoy and it molds the two parts of the server and gmod itself, combat and RP, and mixes it in unison. I never joined the branch and I miss it solely for the RP aspect it gave to the server, where it made me scared to say something that was even remotely REDACTED, just added a thicc layer of RP. Also it gave HCMD even more appreciation and a good warm fuzzy feeling inside when you get your own bodyguards. This will overall add an amazing experience for everyone, more in-depth RP for Utility and Research, a new MTF branch to give MTF something new-ish (old players will still know it), and Security enlisted something to look forward to. I had many friends join security and go through the ranks solely for A1, some will say that's bad but some stuck through security because they enjoyed it and it will overall boost activity. And A1 won't go inactive like omicron did sadly as it still had a huge player base when it was transferred to omicron. It still has many people who were once in the branch wish for it's return, I'm kinda one of them as I want the branch to return but never was in it. And with the addition of PK's or variants of it a real reason to follow more RP situations as well to follow the rules.

Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - 

Advantages:

-Can give knowledgeable and unknowledgeable, of SCP lore, satisfaction in RP situations or dealing with people internally. As no one has to be an expert in SCP loreto hold interrogations or deal with internal affairs but veterans on SCP related stuff can still be happy and express their RP knowledge while still enjoying combat. 

-More activity in MTF as A1 was, whenever I was on and my memory, the more active MTF group, generally speaking.

-More RP is going to help research and utility become more active as it will switch the focus on the server from combat to more of a RP server, more so then it is as it's only shoot basically. 

-A way for minges to be firmly and quickly punished for doing something against RP, as I've never seen someone punished for doing/saying something redacted since A1. I'm also not just talking about "oh he said funny 05 time for a strike." but actually get dealt with in a RP scenario and if needed go through formal punishments. I'm honestly yet to see someone get formally interrogated besides a few slayers doing it in omicron, besides that never really seen a HSU do it or RRH. 

-An increase in activity in security. As security enlisted would want to reach SGT to attempt to join A1 and possibly stay if they like the branch.

-Again with RP. The more RP the better the outlook is for the entire server as is shifts everything from holding M1 and crouch jumping to actually having to make stuff and be creative with your RP and server experience, what a lot of people find hard is to make your own fun, but with this it can help people do that. To which will be really good for the server to add something new to each individual player everyday. For people to express themselves creatively using their RP. Also you don't need much SCP knowledge to do this RP. It's just thinking of things to say and saying it.

-It can help MTF deal with CI. As of recent CI has been kicking MTF ass. Just yesterday CI was spawn camping E11 base for around an hour or more with ease. This shouldn't happen to any combatant branch.

Disadvantages:

-It could be abused and can make people power hungry. This is what helped cause the removal of A1 in the first place but I feel if better management and keeping a close eye on enlisted and command would be an easy solution to this.

-It can remove activity from other MTF branches or just fail like Omicron. But I feel like there is a strong player base of older members on the server who would join in a heartbeat and help run it and show enlisted what it used to be, removing the branches inactivity. But I feel E11 would be hit harder then A1 as E11 is suppose to be the big daddy of MTF but the addition of A1 could remove that feeling and make them more inactive, this will definitely show in the first week or so but I think E11 will be fine as long as they remain as the stronger class.

-Their job is mainly to deal with RP scenarios in which may or may not happen to often. But again I feel if they are re-added it will bring back a new age of RP that the server lost.

-It can impact CI activity in a negative way but I feel they have more than enough ability to counter this. Again I feel this will be like E11 where activity will drop the first week or so but will get back to normal after the initial surge of the new branch.

Overall I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages as the disadvantages can be sorted out and fixed.

Who would this change mostly benefit? - It would benefit foundation branches, mainly those in LCZ, while MTF gets something new and fun but another branch to compete activity and training with. While CI gets hit the hardest with a new MTF branch as well a new competitor for trainee's.

Some information for those who weren't around for A1 - A1 was a heavy RP MTF branch whose main focus was escorting high ranking officials as well maintaining information protection. If information was leaked the person who leaked it will either be killed while running away or be interrogated for information. They were the elite of the elite and even with a code of silence, their names and ranks were REDACTED and could only be called by their callsign. They would walk around with their escort wherever they went and if they weren't doing that then they were patrolling HCZ and LCZ. They would also set up checkpoints to ask for peoples ID's to check for spies. They made sure SCP's were fed when Nu7 had to deal with something as well CI, mainly protecting LCZ from threats such as CI and such. 

Please link any workshop content, screenshots, or anything that you think may be helpful to those who view this suggestion -

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2166196354 - A1 interrogation specialist taking me somewhere, took a photo because of his eyes lol.

https://gaminglight.com/forums/topic/54451-alpha-1-branch-update-accepted/ - This is the last A1 branch update and would be used as reference if this were to be accepted. All the model paths and such will be the same but with some weapon changes for the new server meta and so on. 

End Note - I know this will probably not get accepted due to the recent removal of omicron and A1 was already removed once. But I feel it was a major mistake removing A1, as it removed so much that I loved about the server and I'm yet to see it return if not worsen, the RP I used to enjoy. I feel many people feel the same and want to see it return but I also know some are hesitant and some will denounce it with no chance of convincing otherwise but I feel this will be a major improvement on the server. It will give back our once lost RP and give more respect to those branches who do enjoy RP.

Extra Note - Please actually go through and read this. It's not like the old A1 where you walk around guarding people. This new A1 is more focused on internal affairs. Such as keeping information secret, dealing with issues generally around the site, keeps mass test more secured, and anything related to internal affairs you can thing of. While still being able to guard if requested by high officials.

Super Important Note - Omicron died because it was a rip off of Nu7. A1 was active even until it was replaced. It wasnt replaced due to activity issues it was replaced for their role. So saying "omicron died so this will to" doesnt mean anything. Omicron died because it replaced a good branch and didnt live up to A1.

Edited February 22, 2021 by Jack (utility one)

[Bread]

An Unneeded branch for an already crowded server

9 minutes ago, Jack (utility one) said:

They aren't that needed.

 

[Jack (utility one)]

1 minute ago, Bread said:

An Unneeded branch for an already crowded server

10 minutes ago, Jack (utility one) said:

I meant that as in their old job, just escorting with dealing with those who miss-behave. But if they were to be added back their new job wouldn't be 'needed' but would extremely benefit the server on the RP sense as the current MTF lack that due to them not having enough time because their busy. So yes they aren't needed but would benefit the server in general. Just like you can say utility in general isn't needed but is there to help the RP side of the server and make things run smoother, this would be that case.

[ACOG vR4PTOR]

+ Support
 

[Rangiatea]

A1 had one purpose and one purpose alone. Protect/escort Site admin there wasnt ONE member of site admin that liked having a full A1 branch around where they didnt get any say about who protected them or what they do, the current RRH is a much better replacement (that and A1 ACTUALLY HAD ANOTHER JOB JUST REFUSED TO DO IT. They were MEANT to also contain SCPs but if no SA on then "fuck that lol")

secondly PKs, 

soft PK: 

What did it do? force you to change your name. thats it, and you could never use it again

What was needed for it? Admin+ perms and to outrank the person 

Was it ever actually used? 5 times. MAX and 2 were reverted 
 

Normaly PK:

What did it do? Force you to change your name and demote you 1-2 ranks

What was needed for it? Super Admin+ perms and to be Highcommand/outrank the person

Was it ever actually used? ONCE and it was reverted by igneous
 

Hard PK: 

What did it do? Force you to change your name and FULLY DEMOTE YOU

What was needed for it? Super Admin+ perms and to be Site Admin

Was it ever actually used? NEVER

27 minutes ago, Jack (utility one) said:

-It could be abused and can make people power hungry. This is what helped cause the removal of A1 in the first place but I feel if better management and keeping a close eye on enlisted and command would be an easy solution to this.

Correction, the main reason they were removed is because noone who they got on for liked having them around and 2 depite being "SF" I would take 5 security SGTs over them, they were really bad

[Jack (utility one)]

2 minutes ago, Rangiatea said:

A1 had one purpose and one purpose alone. Protect/escort Site admin there wasnt ONE member of site admin that liked having a full A1 branch around where they didnt get any say about who protected them or what they do, the current RRH is a much better replacement (that and A1 ACTUALLY HAD ANOTHER JOB JUST REFUSED TO DO IT. They were MEANT to also contain SCPs but if no SA on then "fuck that lol"

So for this that's why I'm saying switch the main focus from escorting to dealing with internal affairs. I know that was their job before but it was mainly a secondary, and hence why they focused on escorting. I believe that escorting can be done by a single job and that's what went down. But I'm suggesting making it a second purpose, to make A1 more into a RP MTF branch as it kinda used to be. I agree with you on the escorting but here they wouldn't really escort unless requested by someone that meats the rank requirements. 

2 minutes ago, Rangiatea said:

Hard PK: 

What did it do? Force you to change your name and FULLY DEMOTE YOU

What was needed for it? Super Admin+ perms and to be Site Admin

Was it ever actually used? NEVER

Also fun fact I was actually hard PK'd as a senior tech lol. With Pk's I thought it would be a nice touch to give A1 but I don't really care if their added back or not.

[Rektify]

+Support

@Rangiatea BRING IT BACK YOU MINGE LET ME SPECIFICALLY PICK PEOPLE MYSELF

 

[Skela]

Imagine getting all three pk options ......

serious note, the only thing I’ll be okay with are Pk’s and that’s it, I don’t think we need another branch. Maybe we can do some-type of changes within the branches.

[Your Local Soviet]

+Support

Now hear me out. Alpha-1 was such a cool and creative branch, and I believe we could improvise it and add more to it. It doesn't just have to be security detail for higher-ups, we could literally make it into anything that requires high-clearance. I personally believe there's a lot of potential for Alpha-1 if it was brought back, and could possibly make the server even more active with some OG's coming back and making certain events even more fun.

 

Also yes to PK's, thought they were a cool concept even if they were rarely used. Doesn't hurt to still keep them around and give more of a purpose to that super scary room lurking in LCZ.

Edited February 18, 2021 by Your Local Soviet

[Land1213]

46 minutes ago, Your Local Soviet said:

+Support

Now hear me out. Alpha-1 was such a cool and creative branch, and I believe we could improvise it and add more to it. It doesn't just have to be security detail for higher-ups, we could literally make it into anything that requires high-clearance. I personally believe there's a lot of potential for Alpha-1 if it was brought back, and could possibly make the server even more active with some OG's coming back and making certain events even more fun.

 

Also yes to PK's, thought they were a cool concept even if they were rarely used. Doesn't hurt to still keep them around and give more of a purpose to that super scary room lurking in LCZ.

 

[GLaDOS]

1 hour ago, Your Local Soviet said:

+Support

Now hear me out. Alpha-1 was such a cool and creative branch, and I believe we could improvise it and add more to it. It doesn't just have to be security detail for higher-ups, we could literally make it into anything that requires high-clearance. I personally believe there's a lot of potential for Alpha-1 if it was brought back, and could possibly make the server even more active with some OG's coming back and making certain events even more fun.

 

Also yes to PK's, thought they were a cool concept even if they were rarely used. Doesn't hurt to still keep them around and give more of a purpose to that super scary room lurking in LCZ.

 

[[GL] Dtscalice]

2 hours ago, Your Local Soviet said:

+Support

Now hear me out. Alpha-1 was such a cool and creative branch, and I believe we could improvise it and add more to it. It doesn't just have to be security detail for higher-ups, we could literally make it into anything that requires high-clearance. I personally believe there's a lot of potential for Alpha-1 if it was brought back, and could possibly make the server even more active with some OG's coming back and making certain events even more fun.

 

Also yes to PK's, thought they were a cool concept even if they were rarely used. Doesn't hurt to still keep them around and give more of a purpose to that super scary room lurking in LCZ.

As a former CPL and HeavyGunner of A1 I can say I would love to do internal Affairs work and assist in keeping redacted things redacted, and I honestly feel for SA since they didnt have a choice who guarded them, and when the SA got off then most a1 basically went "Ok bye bye" and would flag off even though there was a job to do, I would enjoy forthis branch to come back and if needed put penalties on people who refuse to do their jobs

[NeoID]

- Support
While yes, A1 was a cool, unique fun branch people enjoyed, it is still a thing for O5 Staff, which I think is better for A1.

A1s purpose according to the WIKI is to:
"Task Force Mission: Mobile Task Force Alpha-1 is a task force that reports directly to the O5 Council and is used in situations that require the strictest operational security. The task force consists of the Foundation's best and most loyal operatives. Further information regarding MTF Alpha-1 is classified Level 5."

The new A1 is a lot more based around this, which not only makes sense, but a lot more fun for everyone involved. It's not something everybody should have either, or be able to be trained for just like that, it's a privilege, to have. It acts as an inspiration, and something to actually achieve, and that shouldn't be replaced.

 Speaking from a CI standpoint, the current A1 shouldn't target CI, but protecting their assigned O5 Staff/Site Admin. If A1 was added back, it would offer people a lot more opportunity to make CI raids scuffed. Even if rules we're placed, there's always the people to manipulate or break them.

Overall, what I'm getting at, is as cool as A1 is, it should remain as it is. More MTF are most definitely not a need right now. It would have loads more negative affects than simply "being cool".

[Hoovy]

-Support

Completely unnecessary and un-needed in almost every way I can think of. The current MTF branches are already struggling, adding a new branch would just make it so much worse.

[Crabbo]

3 hours ago, Your Local Soviet said:

+Support

Now hear me out. Alpha-1 was such a cool and creative branch, and I believe we could improvise it and add more to it. It doesn't just have to be security detail for higher-ups, we could literally make it into anything that requires high-clearance. I personally believe there's a lot of potential for Alpha-1 if it was brought back, and could possibly make the server even more active with some OG's coming back and making certain events even more fun.

 

Also yes to PK's, thought they were a cool concept even if they were rarely used. Doesn't hurt to still keep them around and give more of a purpose to that super scary room lurking in LCZ.

Please

1 hour ago, NeoID said:

A1s purpose according to the WIKI is to:
"Task Force Mission: Mobile Task Force Alpha-1 is a task force that reports directly to the O5 Council and is used in situations that require the strictest operational security. The task force consists of the Foundation's best and most loyal operatives. Further information regarding MTF Alpha-1 is classified Level 5."

The new A1 is a lot more based around this, which not only makes sense, but a lot more fun for everyone involved. It's not something everybody should have either, or be able to be trained for just like that, it's a privilege, to have. It acts as an inspiration, and something to actually achieve, and that shouldn't be replaced.

 Speaking from a CI standpoint, the current A1 shouldn't target CI, but protecting their assigned O5 Staff/Site Admin. If A1 was added back, it would offer people a lot more opportunity to make CI raids scuffed. Even if rules we're placed, there's always the people to manipulate or break them.

A work around to this could be "Under orders of [Redacted] A1 personal are to escort Command members on site, if none are on site they are tasked with guarding researchers attempting to do tests on/off site"

[Rookieblue]

I can not over emphasize how against I am of PK's. PKs serve no legitimate purpose in my eyes. I remember when I was a new GENSEC Sergeant leading a patrol through HCZ and checked the EZ gates. A MTF squad then cuffed us claiming they caught us coming out of EZ, despite us not having keycard access to get it. They then gagged us and dragged us into EZ and held us there for 30 minutes before turning us over to GENSEC low command who released us. If that incident resulted in the GENSEC command member doing a PK on me resulting in me being demoted and having to change my name, I would've left the server entirely. All it does is annoy people and potentially ruin everything they've worked for.

If people want to make PKs something they want to happen, they can do it as part of an event and work with ET and SMT for specifics as part of a singular event. But I am majorly against any sort of public PK system.

As for A1, we literally just removed a MTF branch. The only way we could swing adding another MTF branch back is the removal of another one, or removal of O5 Staff, nether of which is something that I would advocate for at this time. However, I don't have a horse in that particular race.

[[GL] Zeus]

+Support

I miss A1

[Not Niro]

+Support  For Alpha1
It was cool and mostly every old member who joined it liked it and when it got changed to omi9 mostly everyone who was in it left and joined another branch or stopped playing 
I understand the fact that some high command don't like getting followed and some did and before you could of said "I don't need alpha-1" and they would of stopped following and did normal mtf stuff, 

-Support for PK

Legit anyone who got a PK would leave or get himself removed its so useless and unneeded if you wanna demote someone you can go to high command but changing name is just so unneeded
 

 

[Phillers]

We removes Omi9 with a reason, that being that the MTF Branches could not properly handle being split into 3. I refuse to support anything that would just bring that issue back again in full force. Besides that, A1 was removed with a reason. It simply didn't serve a purpose in the way that Rang already said. I'd personnally despise having a full damn branch walking me around everytime I'm on the server, that's why I'm glad I can just pick my own escorts out of the available SF's who are on at the time I'm on. 

As for PK's, all they do is make whomever is getting them annoyed and mad.

[Sixx]

4 hours ago, Hoovy said:

-Support

 The current MTF branches are already struggling, adding a new branch would just make it so much worse.

 

[That Fireman Guy]

No Opinion on A1

Massive - Support for PKs

Now I wasn't on during the PK days, but from what I read on here, it sounds like all it does is just make the one getting it mad and makes them more legible to leave the server, and that aint good for the server's lifespan. I don't see any reason for them to need to change their name, as it seems it would just be a hassle for the one's that edit the branch's roster.

[Alexxxx]

9 hours ago, Hoovy said:

-Support

Completely unnecessary and un-needed in almost every way I can think of. The current MTF branches are already struggling, adding a new branch would just make it so much worse.

I think they removed Omi9 for a reason we dont need another MTF Branch for now. -Support

Edited February 18, 2021 by [GL] Deez

[Jack (utility one)]

For those saying MTF cant handle 3 branches no offense buts thats totally wrong. A1 was the third and fully worked. A lot, and I mean a lot, of people who I know a was in A1 or just around for them miss it. It was an active branch and a loved one at that. It was the third and worked. It failed when switched to omicron so dont use the excuse it doesnt work, the switching if the branch is what caused it to fail. Also again Im not suggesting A1 be a protection branch. Ive made that clear. In this case it would be a internal infairs branch, so again making that argument of you dont need a branch to escort, which I believe btw you dont, is invalid as they wont be mainly escorting, only doing so if requested.

[Yato Sensei]

+ Support for A1
- Support for PKs
A1 back will be pretty pog, new players will be able to see how it was back then.

PKs sound horrible, why were they even a thing in the first place?

[Southpaw]

10 hours ago, Hoovy said:

-Support

Completely unnecessary and un-needed in almost every way I can think of. The current MTF branches are already struggling, adding a new branch would just make it so much worse.