Garlic Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 What are you suggesting? - Reverting back to the old DEFCON system How would this change better the server? - My opinion is rather negative on the new DEFCON system. Granted, the immediate positive trade off is that it gives a more informative description of the situation but that can always be done through chat. However, when analyzing the negative side, I believe that it brings confusion towards new players. Forcing them to remember the code on the server may seem like a hassle and possibly even discourage them from playing the server. Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - The disadvantages are subjective but the only negatives in discarding the new DEFCON system is that it sacrifices the description on why we are in this DEFCON. But again, that can always be stated in chat. Who would this change mostly benefit? - Everyone Please link any workshop content, screenshots, or anything that you think may be helpful to those who view this suggestion - N/A I'm Just a Big Tom and Jerry Fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack S Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 +/- I'd say add both, have defcons correspond with the protocals that are called with the I-pad thing. I find the new system very confusing, but I think if we add both or add the defcon system above/ontop of the new system it could in my opinion help. Retired DHOS || Former Wardens Comissioner Caligula || Former SRIC in R&D || Former OH8 Funni [Redacted] Man | | Retired OPSV in Maintenance || Former MMF Duck || Former HLPR Bot AC3 || Retired 2LT in E-11 || Former Head Field Scout || Former Ranger Pax || former ET || Former Omicron-9 CPT || Former OM9 EXP Delta | PoliceRP: PD LCPL | SCU LT "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard. " -John F Kennedy, Rice University, Sept. 12, 1962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanGuy Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 -support I am not going to lie I dont understand the new defcon, but it is not strange since they introduced it recently. I think it need some time. Former CI CPT| Guts | Mexican “I will protect those who cannot protect themselves. ” —Second Ideal of the Windrunners— Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garlic Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, MexicanGuy said: -support I am not going to lie I dont understand the new defcon, but it is not strange since they introduced it recently. I think it need some time. I get where you are coming from and I understand that for those who chooses to dedicate themselves to the sever will have no problem understanding the new DEFCON system. However, in my argument, I said that this DEFCON system is not new player friendly and that making them memorize the code may discourage them from playing the server as when comparing them to the old DEFCOn system, it is a universally well-known system used even by the US military (I think). I'm Just a Big Tom and Jerry Fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yato Sensei Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 - Support The same argument can go towards the old defcon system too. It still had to be remembered. This one is not really that different. The regular things we see now is Code Blue/Yellow/Orange/Black/Red and they are pretty simple to remember. Joined 09/30/2020Retired 11/12/2022Former Security SFC || Former MTF Omi9 MSGT || Former CI CPT/MAJ || Former Nu7 LTCOL/VCMDR || Former E11 CPL || Former Maintenance Professional || Former D5 CPT || Former Senior Medic || Former Advanced Researcher | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeppes Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 + Support Numbers are way more intuitive and easier for new players to remember and follow. I get that the new system adds more depth, but it feels unnecessary. At the very least instead of that proud gaminglight symbol next to the code add the number that goes along with it.. Retired MTF Nu7 Commander (Lars) / HSU General (Majestic) Retired MTF E11 CPT | SFTO | SCE | SMS | SNM (Lars) / D4 Vanguard (Hypnos) Retired Medical Supervisor | HFW | SFTO | ACM | O5 Logistics | RRH Engineer (Lars/Otter) Retired Maintenace OS | SCS | SFTO - (Lars/Otter) Former Gensec MSGT (Lars) Former CI SM | Hotshot | Longshot | Sawbones (Dan) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulfur Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 +Support Sometimes I can't even see the Code Current: Security DCoS | SM | DHFW | EXCM | RMS | FTO | Secret Service DCOO Retired: Nu-7 CPT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rito Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 +Support -This Defcon so far has caused more problems then benefits, sometimes the Defcon will appear as missing textures, sometimes it will just just dissapear and you have to re-join the server, there is even a condition we are not allowed to use because it auto activates a nuke, that's exactly why we should bring back the old Defcons, at least, we never had any problem with the old Defcon system and it doesn't activate a nuke if you change to a certain Defcon Current: Nu-7 VCMDR Former: E-11 VCMDR/LT-COL totally didn't get demoted || Event Team Member || CI SFTO 2LT CCs: Snoop Dog Owner || Previous Rho-36 Occult Operative || Used to be Reznov || CI TF2 Heavy || MTF Zeta-0 'Caste Gates' || Tango-12 'Forgiving Hand' French Canadian man || Mbappé fan in the making Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixalgamer99 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 45 minutes ago, Rito said: +Support -This Defcon so far has caused more problems then benefits, sometimes the Defcon will appear as missing textures, sometimes it will just just dissapear and you have to re-join the server, there is even a condition we are not allowed to use because it auto activates a nuke, that's exactly why we should bring back the old Defcons, at least, we never had any problem with the old Defcon system and it doesn't activate a nuke if you change to a certain Defcon WHAT IS CONDITION GREEN I SEE IT ALL THE TIME those types of issues with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guinea Pig Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 51 minutes ago, Rito said: +Support -This Defcon so far has caused more problems then benefits, sometimes the Defcon will appear as missing textures, sometimes it will just just dissapear and you have to re-join the server, there is even a condition we are not allowed to use because it auto activates a nuke, that's exactly why we should bring back the old Defcons, at least, we never had any problem with the old Defcon system and it doesn't activate a nuke if you change to a certain Defcon True [SCP-RP] Retired E-11 COL, HFTO and D4 Head | Former CI MSGT/2LT | Former Alpha-1 "Red-Right Hand" Guardian Delta-9 | Former Nu7 2LT/SM HSU Conscript | Former Om-9 2LT and EXP Seasoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Fizz-y Soda Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, Garlic said: I get where you are coming from and I understand that for those who chooses to dedicate themselves to the sever will have no problem understanding the new DEFCON system. However, in my argument, I said that this DEFCON system is not new player friendly and that making them memorize the code may discourage them from playing the server as when comparing them to the old DEFCOn system, it is a universally well-known system used even by the US military (I think). Especially if people minge around with codes we don't use. That'll increase confusion. Although I agree with Yato, saying that even the old system needs memorizing. I can understand your argument of it being a deter to newer players, but speaking frankly I believe having to sit through trainings, reading SOPs, and taking tests is the biggest deter IMO. If they already have to learn all the rules for their branch, why not the condition colors? Also most of the time they learn that as they go. That's what command and NCOs are there for. To help lead the newer enlisted towards the right direction. They're mostly focused on making sure they are doing the job right than making sure they know what a code black is vs red. If you have a higher up updating you on the situation, you'll eventually catch on to what each color means without having to sit down and study the colors. -Support. Edited January 26, 2021 by [GL] Fizz-y Soda 1 CI CMDR / CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAlila | Tay Keith! Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Rito said: +Support -This Defcon so far has caused more problems then benefits, sometimes the Defcon will appear as missing textures, sometimes it will just just dissapear and you have to re-join the server, there is even a condition we are not allowed to use because it auto activates a nuke, that's exactly why we should bring back the old Defcons, at least, we never had any problem with the old Defcon system and it doesn't activate a nuke if you change to a certain Defcon 𝐒𝐂𝐏𝐑𝐏 𝐇𝐢𝐠𝐡 𝐂𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝 | 𝐆𝐚𝐦𝐦𝐚 𝐂𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝 - 𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐨𝐬 𝐋𝐭. 𝐂𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐈𝐦𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐥𝐑𝐏 𝐇𝐢𝐠𝐡 𝐂𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝 | 𝐂𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐑𝐞𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞 ₋ 𝐆𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐆𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐥 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Weeb Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Rito said: +Support -This Defcon so far has caused more problems then benefits, sometimes the Defcon will appear as missing textures, sometimes it will just just dissapear and you have to re-join the server, there is even a condition we are not allowed to use because it auto activates a nuke, that's exactly why we should bring back the old Defcons, at least, we never had any problem with the old Defcon system and it doesn't activate a nuke if you change to a certain Defcon ++++Support WTF IS CODE ORANGE & BLACK WHY IS IT A RAINBOW SPECTRUM SCP-RP - Former: Moderator/ET, Security SFTO SM, Research Researcher, MTF Alpha-1 Sgt, MTF Alpha-1 "Alpha-6", Noob-7 Cpl, D5 RCT, R&D SIN, T-2 Blackjack, HFR, DHBI and E-11 DoFTO HCE SM | Current: CI Military DHLS SFTO SM Imperial-RP - Former - Moderator, Royal Guard Senior Guard, Shadow Guard Lead, Stormtrooper 2LT, 501st MSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squash Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Rito said: +Support -This Defcon so far has caused more problems then benefits, sometimes the Defcon will appear as missing textures, sometimes it will just just dissapear and you have to re-join the server, there is even a condition we are not allowed to use because it auto activates a nuke, that's exactly why we should bring back the old Defcons, at least, we never had any problem with the old Defcon system and it doesn't activate a nuke if you change to a certain Defcon Foundation Archivist | Operations Supervisor | SCP-RP Senior Admin | Forums Diplomat | Support 1 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZJ Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 1/25/2021 at 12:32 PM, [GL] loudyfam (Jack S) said: +/- I'd say add both, have defcons correspond with the protocals that are called with the I-pad thing. I find the new system very confusing, but I think if we add both or add the defcon system above/ontop of the new system it could in my opinion help. I agree with this, it would be nice to combine the 2 systems. | SEC Armored Shield 1LT Wardens WC DHFTO | SVFTO Elite Medic | SVFTO Maintenance Expert | Xray 42 | E11 CPL | Nu7 CPL | D5 PVT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henessy Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 -Support It's much less of headache to find out more about the situation for everyone and as especially, as a E-11 main, this defcon system helps a lot. The system is extremely easy to learn. If you sit down and want to learn it, you will. It also makes a lot more sense in RP as DEFCONs are used for the IRL Military and have entirely different meanings. Current: RetiredEx: CI PD || CI RnD SR BIO IOI || SCP-RP Event Team || E11 Major || Administrator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former LR Monika Returned Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Huge +Support from the Old Gaurd of research Command members should not have to worry about detonating the nuke by accident just because of a faulty code or Error within the software of the addon i agree with restoring the old defcon system as it is easy to remember and brings back memory's of the olden days of the server the old defcon system was easy to remember and easy to manage as command and you couldnt simply type /defcon 1 and cause a nuke to explode on site that was restricted to the site director only so please restore the old defcon system so we dont have to hear "Omega Warhead emergency Detonation engaged" when its not actually defcon 1 1 Former Sargent Negev Line monika RFA,HMR,RIG, Longest lasting LR CI RND Field Researcher, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixx Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 9:38 AM, Rito said: +Support -This Defcon so far has caused more problems then benefits, sometimes the Defcon will appear as missing textures, sometimes it will just just dissapear and you have to re-join the server, there is even a condition we are not allowed to use because it auto activates a nuke, that's exactly why we should bring back the old Defcons, at least, we never had any problem with the old Defcon system and it doesn't activate a nuke if you change to a certain Defcon My main problem is half the time for me the Defcon system is a missing texture or just vanished on my screen [ SCP RP ] Director of Research & Security || Armored Shield Award Winner || First Head Warden & HOPO || Security Artillery Unit || D-7025 || D-Class High Council || Former Head of Security || Former Admin || Former Event Team Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Stone Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 6:38 AM, Rito said: +Support -This Defcon so far has caused more problems then benefits, sometimes the Defcon will appear as missing textures, sometimes it will just just disappear and you have to re-join the server, there is even a condition we are not allowed to use because it auto activates a nuke, that's exactly why we should bring back the old Defcons, at least, we never had any problem with the old Defcon system and it doesn't activate a nuke if you change to a certain Defcon Retired LCZ Manager : Pingas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerk Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 9:38 AM, Rito said: +Support -This Defcon so far has caused more problems then benefits, sometimes the Defcon will appear as missing textures, sometimes it will just just dissapear and you have to re-join the server, there is even a condition we are not allowed to use because it auto activates a nuke, that's exactly why we should bring back the old Defcons, at least, we never had any problem with the old Defcon system and it doesn't activate a nuke if you change to a certain Defcon Preach, the new defcon system has caused lots of issues. 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘴𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘭 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘧𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘦𝘥, 𝘧𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘦𝘥! 𝘩𝘢𝘳𝘥𝘦𝘥! 𝘈-𝘉 𝘩𝘰𝘯𝘰𝘳 𝘳𝘰𝘭𝘦 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘧𝘴 you farted!i f i get banned who cares i've had my fun 49 total warns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jameshi34 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 9:38 AM, Rito said: +Support -This Defcon so far has caused more problems then benefits, sometimes the Defcon will appear as missing textures, sometimes it will just just dissapear and you have to re-join the server, there is even a condition we are not allowed to use because it auto activates a nuke, that's exactly why we should bring back the old Defcons, at least, we never had any problem with the old Defcon system and it doesn't activate a nuke if you change to a certain Defcon I think these new changes are cool and all, but in the long run the old Defcon system worked better for everyone. Gensec LTCOL | Deputy Head Warden | S.T.A.R.S. | Michael Jones Enthusiast do you are have stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoID Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 - Support - I'm certain the old Defcon System took some getting used to to some people too. Just need to get used to it. Give it some time, try to set it more often and I think we can adjust to it just fine. - While, yes. It is more complicated. Most of Command are young adults and smart teenagers, you guys can figure it out. - Adds a more unique system to the sense of danger in the facility. With the custom codes too, if people use the off-color ones more often for events and such. With Best Regards,CI R&D Deputy Director Of Operations|| - Retired SCP-RP Event Team Leader || Retired SCP-RP Admin || -Retired CI R&D Head of Research|| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Local Soviet Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 +Support This new DEFCON system still confuses people. There is a lot more to it then the simple DEFCON system we had back then. In terms of players that are new to the server, they will have trouble understanding the DEFCON procedures since its just colors, no simple countdown from 5 to 1. You don't even realize how frequently Researchers wander out of bunks when there not suppose to and I get the same answer every time. "I don't know what DEFCON this is". "I don't know what Code BLACK means". SCP-RP - Former Assistant Head of Research | Former OMI-9 2LT | Former GenSec 2LT ⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⊰⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅∙∘☽༓☾∘∙•⋅⋅⋅•⋅⋅⊰⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoovy Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 +Support (For Now) I think that the only real problem with the new system is the fact its quite buggy. If the major issue (the codes vanishing when you type) is fixed, I think that it would be fine to keep. It's definitely a bit confusing to newer and old players alike, but I think that we'd get use to it. Former SCP:RP Event Team Leader (5/15/19 - 12/31/19) Current SCP:RP Head Administrator "I'll see you on the Dark Side of the Moon" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igneous Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 The bugs where the code completely disappears, or stays a weird color, should be fixed. If you get any weird colors or it vanishing, it will almost always immediately fix itself. I would like to stay with this system for longer, because it is still new and people still might be not a little confused. It's not that hard to learn codes, even for new players. It's all listed in the motd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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