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A change to the meta: Assault Rifles and LMGS


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What are you suggesting? - Buffing (Heavily buffing) Assault rifles and LMG's (with the obvious exception of the negev). currently the meta is shotguns, smg's, and N E G E V. lets diverse it a little. assault rifles suffer from too much recoil and spread, lets lower that down making assault rifles good at most ranges. the spread buff will allow hipfire at closer ranges(and while crouching medium-close range), while a recoil buff will make the assault rifle good at longer rangers(Such as medium long) this will make classes which are FORCED to use assault rifles more useful and dont have to go buy a mossberg from the armory. (The H&K Assault rifle also suffers from not enough damage output. so lets buff that damage as well) LMG's (all of this post has the negev as an exclusion) have a very common problem, little firerate, not enough damage, too much recoil for the firerate, due to the amount of lmgs compared to assault rifles i can give some accurate problems. The M249 doesn't do enough damage and the firerate is shit, the P90 is a better version of it, The M60 has an accurate firerrate based on real life, so dont touch that, but the damage is the same as a fucking CZ-75. buff that damage HEAVILY, The PKM is fine where it is except lets buff the firerate a little.  (also i would like to point out the tommy gun is terrible and should have much less spread/recoil)

How would this change better the server? - The shunned weapons banished to the shadow realm will return with new eyes, being better and people would actually buy them from armory

Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - LITERALLY NOTHING

Who would this change mostly benefit? - LITERALLY EVERYONE... except scps but screw those guys

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+Support, 
I think It'd be nice to have the meta not be : Awp, Remmington/Benelli/Mosberg, Negev & MP5/7.

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1 hour ago, Rookieblue said:

I mean in real life assault rifles are supposed to have great range and not huge recoil, so it makes sense. Plus it expands the weapons that can actually be used.

Yes, for example: M4 great gun

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2 hours ago, Phillers said:

+Support, 
I think It'd be nice to have the meta not be : Awp, Remmington/Benelli/Mosberg, Negev & MP5/7.

 

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+Support

Right now, most of the Asssaults rifles are trash and the only usable weapons are either knives, shotguns, negev or the AWP.  Right now, I believe the only good assault rifle in use is the M4A4, and even it's decent but you would lose a fight with someone who has an  KAC PDW easily. It would be nice to see Assault rifles come back and people actually use them.

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6 minutes ago, vSquishyv said:

+Support

Right now, most of the Asssaults rifles are trash and the only usable weapons are either knives, shotguns, negev or the AWP.  Right now, I believe the only good assault rifle in use is the M4A4, and even it's decent but you would lose a fight with someone who has an  KAC PDW easily. It would be nice to see Assault rifles come back and people actually use them.

when everyones focused on assault rifles and not the lmgs be like

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8 minutes ago, vSquishyv said:

+Support

Right now, most of the Asssaults rifles are trash and the only usable weapons are either knives, shotguns, negev or the AWP.  Right now, I believe the only good assault rifle in use is the M4A4, and even it's decent but you would lose a fight with someone who has an  KAC PDW easily. It would be nice to see Assault rifles come back and people actually use them.

imagine a assault rifle getting beat by a smg +support

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33 minutes ago, vSquishyv said:

+Support

Right now, most of the Asssaults rifles are trash and the only usable weapons are either knives, shotguns, negev or the AWP.  Right now, I believe the only good assault rifle in use is the M4A4, and even it's decent but you would lose a fight with someone who has an  KAC PDW easily. It would be nice to see Assault rifles come back and people actually use them.

 

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Here's how most assault rifles will perform while ADSing. The spread has been reduced significantly, and this will go into effect whenever my addon is updated. LMGs have also received similar treatment. 

Maybe I should increase the damage of ARs to the high 30's/low 40s and the damage of most LMGs to the Mid-high 30s. 

lol, lmao even

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3 hours ago, Bread said:

Here's how most assault rifles will perform while ADSing. The spread has been reduced significantly, and this will go into effect whenever my addon is updated. LMGs have also received similar treatment. 

 

Maybe I should increase the damage of ARs to the high 30's/low 40s and the damage of most LMGs to the Mid-high 30s. 

the m60 has a firerate similar to real life m60, but the damage is 33, the same with the CZ-75, buff the damage on that to the high 40's
Also it might be possible to buff the tommy guns recoil/spread, its unusable 

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14 hours ago, Phillers said:

+Support, 
I think It'd be nice to have the meta not be : Awp, Remmington/Benelli/Mosberg, Negev & MP5/7.

Lets get those bad boys buffed! 

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I don't like explaining this, BUT:
Due to the 16 TPS, that messes with the firerates. The only difference of RPM you can notice is: Under 360, Over 361, over ~600?, and over 961.  If you want to have everything shoot fast, they'll need to have the RPM of a Vector. 
(Please keep in mind that these numbers aren't 100% accurate but I've had plenty of time testing them on 16TPS.)

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lol, lmao even

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3 hours ago, Bread said:

I don't like explaining this, BUT:
Due to the 16 TPS, that messes with the firerates. The only difference of RPM you can notice is: Under 360, Over 361, over ~600?, and over 961.  If you want to have everything shoot fast, they'll need to have the RPM of a Vector. 
(Please keep in mind that these numbers aren't 100% accurate but I've had plenty of time testing them on 16TPS.)

due to this massive realization, it seems buffing damage, spread, and recoil is the only answer

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+Support

ARs and LMGs have been needing some love for awhile now. Shotgun, negev, and sniper meta is getting kinda old. 

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+support 
lol ik you doin this for your shotgun thing but aight

nothing too bad lol

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On 12/20/2020 at 9:26 AM, Panda0Playz said:

 (also i would like to point out the tommy gun is terrible and should have much less spread/recoil)

 

i mean i only use the tommy gun as an interrogation method. Thing drowns out hearing better than an actual gunshot to the ear. +support

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On 12/20/2020 at 12:05 PM, vSquishyv said:

+Support

Right now, most of the Asssaults rifles are trash and the only usable weapons are either knives, shotguns, negev or the AWP.  Right now, I believe the only good assault rifle in use is the M4A4, and even it's decent but you would lose a fight with someone who has an  KAC PDW easily. It would be nice to see Assault rifles come back and people actually use them.

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  • Assault rifles will do around 10 more damage per shot and will have a large accuracy buff - Most do around ~40 damage and is best for Mid-range combat, but can be used close range as well. SMGs are being tuned to shred in close-quarters and be an alternative to Shotguns.
  • LMGs will get a buff in terms of accuracy and will be more usuable
  • The FG-42 is returning to 1000RPM with a damage decrease so I'm curious as to how that'll go
  • SMGS will do a ton of damage up close but will have massive spread - Most will do ~45 damage, depending on the magsize. The time to kill is very close to a shotgun for these, only if you're in the enemies face. These will be difficult to use further than 5-10 feet out, as the spread makes them impossible to hit with.
  • The Remington, Mossberg, and M3 are going down to 10x12 to discourage overuse - It'll take 1 extra shot to kill things compared to how it is right now.
  • The weakest snipers are getting buffed
  • Pistols are receiving damage buffs
  • + Ironsight fixes for most guns that needed them
    These changes do not include the CS:GO weapons, yet.

There's gonna be a handful of weapons that have 1000 RPM but will have much lower damage and will be very difficult to hit with and control, I'm taking a risk that these will be overused and I will nerf them even more if that happens

I based my testing off of moving targets and not just people who are standing still, these are all the changes I've done over the last few months

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lol, lmao even

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