Dect's Ban Appeal

[Dect]

Steam Name: 
Dect

SteamID:
STEAM_0:1:156488590

Ingame Name:
Dect

Ban Length: 
1 Week (5 days 4 hours and 24 minutes)

Admin that Banned you:
Rangiatea(???)

Reason for Ban:

Exploiting

Dispute:
With the new addition of gambling on the server on the 9th of October, we were introduced to Roulette tables, Big wheels, Slot machines, and Blackjack. I was on the server early that morning trying out the gambling system first hand. I went from 1.2 mil to 3.3 mil in the matter of an hour. This was used by a swarm of people checking out the new gambling system to then find out they can not only profit but make so much money from the fact that you're spending 50 thousand dollars using the big wheel. The big wheel was then nerfed and replaced by Catsro effectively making the big wheel almost impossible to profit off of. About 3 hours after the nerf of the big wheel it was brought to a bunch of people's attention that you were able to make lots of more money off of the slot machines than the big wheel ever did. People from all around the server including the high command in specific branches rushed over to the slot machines making over a million dollars in under 5-10 minutes. After about an hour after that was brought to SMT's attention and then was effectively nerfed and was almost made unprofitable. After the Big Wheel and the Slot Machines were nerfed the only games that were left were Blackjack and Roulette. Roulette being a 50% win chance game ( Winning will double your initial playing amount) they were divided into two tables. One is a regular table for low bets while the other was the high roller table for high-value bets to be placed. Over the next couple of days and weeks, I would routinely play roulette to play with my chances of either winning or losing my money. I went from having 6.3 mil to having 3.2 mil while playing roulette. The max amount you were able to bet on the table was 500k but was supposed to be limited to being 50k. I saw the fact that the limit was broken to be nothing but a feature as it wouldn't be giving an unfair advantage to anyone playing the game as you're effectively still signing up to either lose or win money. I and lots of other people would be playing roulette to test our chances and overall just have a nice time. Over the weeks of me playing I would sometimes mention to SMT(Rang and Catsro) that the roulette tables in CI base were bugged and that you were able to bet over the selected cap on the roulette tables. With no response from the people who I admired and worked for I assumed that this was nothing but a feature for the roulette tables and the fact that you were able to bet 500k not the roulette tables and not the selected amount of 50k was fine. As a person who took staffing very seriously accumulating over 200+ sits a week and having no warnings I took the rules very seriously always asking SMT and higher-ups for clarification as to whether or not what I was doing was justifiable or not. Playing in the casino was a favorite pass time for me as I would often play in the casino more than I would have liked to. I had no intention of breaking the rules whatsoever and never saw the betting amount of 500k as an exploit but more as a feature to the roulette table given the circumstances of roulette being a gambling game mode. The highest betting amount on the high rollers roulette table was 500k to which I assumed was fine as it wasn't too high of an amount to which you would be able to become extremely and extraordinarily rich in a matter of seconds. When I was playing Roulette one late night I won $1,000,000 after panic betting 500k from losing over 1.5 mils previously. I won the bet and boasted about my winnings in OOC chat like I usually do whenever I win a bet like that. I was then grabbed by Catsro and Rang and brought into a Teamspeak 3 channel to where they said I was abusing an exploit giving me a better advantage than others in the process. I was questioned and then put in a room where I waited 30+ minutes for their jurisdiction on the matter. I was then given a second staff strike (The first one was for getting on Rang's list 3 times for not taking sits) and effectively removing me from staff as a whole. I was grinding for the staff of the month and a promotion for Admin ever since I got my Senior moderator role. The second punishment was a 1-week ban for exploiting. This is where it ended. I originally brushed it off my shoulder as it was not disappointing for the fact that I got banned but for the fact that I was removed from staff as well. I took Rang and Catsros's jurisdiction as final until I started to converse with others and started to think about what had happened. I am making this appeal for me to enjoy what I have accomplished on the server as I have shown nothing but dedication towards the server. In the past 3 months of my playing, I have only been absent from playing the server once. I have no grudge towards Rang or Catsro for the ban as I see them as people who are simply doing their jobs at the end. Thank you for reading this and giving your feedback on the situation at hand and I hope you have a wonderful day/afternoon/evening/night.
-Dect

Edited October 28, 2020 by Dect

[JD_HAWK504]

+ support

Dect is a very good guy and a lot of people will agree with me on this. As he said he has been nothing then dedicated to this sever all though I'm not staff I have herd nothing but good things when he was on his  staff job.  he is a fun and great person in security and he follows the rules to the book .  Now in my opinion this is crazy that you got him for exploit cuase I've seen people talking about making a crazy amounts of money like 12million and you get him for making a million to me he lost more money. this is kind of unfair to him because he got staff rank taking away and banned for a week. Dect is a super good person and I truly don't see him trying to exploit.

[Mary]

8 minutes ago, JD_HAWK504 said:

+ support

Dect is a very good guy and a lot of people will agree with me on this. As he said he has been nothing then dedicated to this sever all though I'm not staff I have herd nothing but good things when he was on his  staff job.  he is a fun and great person in security and he follows the rules to the book .  Now in my opinion this is crazy that you got him for exploit cuase I've seen people talking about making a crazy amounts of money like 12million and you get him for making a million to me he lost more money. this is kind of unfair to him because he got staff rank taking away and banned for a week. Dect is a super good person and I truly don't see him trying to exploit.

Edit: I would hate to see Dect fully removed from staff. He was helped me as a trial mod and helped me through some pretty tough sits. I know he wouldn’t do this, I’ve seen many others get lots of money from gambling.

Edited October 27, 2020 by MaryAteHerLamb

[Sparkle]

1 hour ago, Dect said:

Over the weeks of me playing I would sometimes mention to SMT(Range and Catsro) that the roulette tables in CI base were bugged and that you were able to bet over the selected cap on the roulette tables. With no response from the people who I admired and worked for I assumed that this was nothing but a feature for the roulette tables and the fact that you were able to bet 500k not the roulette tables and not the selected amount of 50k was fine

This part I want to see if it holds weight. This would essentially be the deal breaker to how I further respond and subsequently edit this response.

+/- Support

For one, you are acknowledging that you knowingly and willingly betted over the assigned limit. That would constitute intent. However, your record was impeccable to this point and you (seemingly) did everything in your power to stay to the letter of the rules. We'll see where this goes with SMTs response.

Regardless of result, take care Dect. You were one of the best in our ranks.

[Sarge]

-/+

I agree with Sparkle and I feel what he has said will be the decider to whether you get your  unbanned. Dect is/was a fantastic staff and was a good mentor when I got Tmod.

[Jack S]

1 hour ago, Sparkle said:

This part I want to see if it holds weight. This would essentially be the deal breaker to how I further respond and subsequently edit this response.

+/- Support

For one, you are acknowledging that you knowingly and willingly betted over the assigned limit. That would constitute intent. However, your record was impeccable to this point and you (seemingly) did everything in your power to stay to the letter of the rules. We'll see where this goes with SMTs response.

Regardless of result, take care Dect. You were one of the best in our ranks.

The issue I have is others were also doing it, nobody saw it at an exploit since, I didn't either. But I don't gamble, I feel Dect deserves an appeal as he himself was not trying to break the system.

[Sixx]

2 hours ago, JD_HAWK504 said:

+ support

Dect is a very good guy and a lot of people will agree with me on this. As he said he has been nothing then dedicated to this sever all though I'm not staff I have herd nothing but good things when he was on his  staff job.  he is a fun and great person in security and he follows the rules to the book .  Now in my opinion this is crazy that you got him for exploit cuase I've seen people talking about making a crazy amounts of money like 12million and you get him for making a million to me he lost more money. this is kind of unfair to him because he got staff rank taking away and banned for a week. Dect is a super good person and I truly don't see him trying to exploit.

 

6 minutes ago, [GL] loudyfam (Jack S) said:

The issue I have is others were also doing it, nobody saw it at an exploit since, I didn't either. But I don't gamble, I feel Dect deserves an appeal as he himself was not trying to break the system.

 

[jackyman21]

This is a tricky one. I am going to +support (and this might change based on SMT's side)

 I suggest whoever reviews this takes a look at United States v. Kane (2 men found a glitch in a video poker machine and were able to win 500 thousand dollars before being caught). It is very similar to this case.

 

 

Dect did not do any intentional exploit other than knowing there was a glitch in the machine. Dect himself did not intentionally change anything, an error in the addon/whatever did. Dect also had the SAME chance of winning/losing (50/50) as the proper betting amount. Is it still technically an exploit, technically yes. But, in this case it did not cause major havoc, and it can be reversed. Not only that, Dect had lost MORE than he won betting 500k at a time as well. From my limited time on the server Dect has been an EXEMPLARY role model to me and MANY others, as well as an outstanding staff member. In my opinion he should be allowed back as staff. I wont speak on the ban for now.

 

Edited October 28, 2020 by jackyman21

[[GL] Fizz-y Soda]

+Support

Hopefully you still have staff.

[Some Weeb]

+support 

this is literally unfair 

he got removed from staff and banned wtf 

give him staff and unban him dect isn't a minge he literally does his job to perfection  | the ban is literally equal to a MRDM plus LTAP ban like jesus 

 

[Spud]

+Support

I don't particularly know how staff stuff works but I don't think this constitutes a full removal from staff. Several people have been doing this since gambling was added and nobody ever got punished for it. It just seems unfair that Dect was the only one to be punished for it and by means of complete staff removal on top of an entire week ban.

[Jameshi34]

+ Support

3 hours ago, jackyman21 said:

This is a tricky one. I am going to +support (and this might change based on SMT's side)

 I suggest whoever reviews this takes a look at United States v. Kane (2 men found a glitch in a video poker machine and were able to win 500 thousand dollars before being caught). It is very similar to this case.

 

 

Dect did not do any intentional exploit other than knowing there was a glitch in the machine. Dect himself did not intentionally change anything, an error in the addon/whatever did. Dect also had the SAME chance of winning/losing (50/50) as the proper betting amount. Is it still technically an exploit, technically yes. But, in this case it did not cause major havoc, and it can be reversed. Not only that, Dect had lost MORE than he won betting 500k at a time as well. From my limited time on the server Dect has been an EXEMPLARY role model to me and MANY others, as well as an outstanding staff member. In my opinion he should be allowed back as staff. I wont speak on the ban for now.

 

 

[Rookieblue]

The reason he was removed from staff was due to having multiple strikes on his record, not this sole incident. Just wanted to clear that portion up for people. Additionally, staff strikes can not be appealed in ban appeals, this would need to be appealed with the Server Manager Igneous directly through whichever avenue Igneous dictates.

It should also be noted that Dect noticed that he was able to bet above the prescribed bet limit, and continued to do so to profit off of the unauthorized bets. After learning of the glitch and continuing to use the glitch to profit, that is the definition of exploiting.

[Soureadiet]

+Support 

Dect is one of the most reasonable staff members imo. He's easy to talk to, and very understanding. He does a great job, and I feel that he should be let off for this with a verbal warning. 

[JD_HAWK504]

31 minutes ago, Rookieblue said:

The reason he was removed from staff was due to having multiple strikes on his record, not this sole incident. Just wanted to clear that portion up for people. Additionally, staff strikes can not be appealed in ban appeals, this would need to be appealed with the Server Manager Igneous directly through whichever avenue Igneous dictates.

It should also be noted that Dect noticed that he was able to bet above the prescribed bet limit, and continued to do so to profit off of the unauthorized bets. After learning of the glitch and continuing to use the glitch to profit, that is the definition of exploiting.

 

29 minutes ago, Soureadiet said:

+Support 

Dect is one of the most reasonable staff members imo. He's easy to talk to, and very understanding. He does a great job, and I feel that he should be let off for this with a verbal warning. 

I Agree that Dect is a good staff member cause all I herd was good things about him. Now  the staff strikes i kind of under stand and cant. If this man is doing his job and helping other people with Tmod and stuff why does he deserve those strikes to me and to most other people say he is doin a great  job.  This man even offered to help me if I applied for Tmod that's honestly saying something about him and he even Offred to help while he was banned.  And the casino its say no were in the MOTD that you can't place a bet over 50k so i think he include it in his response cause a staff member told him while he was getting ban and demoted off of staff. i think a verbal warning would be most acceptable cause he didn't even abuse this glitch while you got other people talking about making millions in OOC. 

Still +support

[Sammie]

+support

Before map change we were able to bet any amount on the tables. Even though there was a limit on the tables this map change there was no set rules in place for these tables besides from the ($50,000) it indicates as a max bet. Curious enough to be able to go over the said limit on the table, I would think Dect didn't  know or even consider that going over  the limit is exploiting as it's such a easy thing to miss judge and win money in game with no effect on others besides from buying weapons for yourself.

[NeoID]

-Support

-Though, yes. I’m sure you regret your actions, and I would hope you’re more careful next time. I think its fair to say you should wait out your punishment. I have nothing against you, rest assured, I quite honestly think you’re lucky it wasn’t permanent. Most servers wouldn’t be so forgiving with their punishments, ESPECIALLY when it comes to exploits.  So I think the remaining 5 days is a very fair punishment that should not be revoked. 
 

Just my opinion on a non-bias standpoint. Have a good one Dect. I look foward to seeing you come back.

Edited October 28, 2020 by NeoID

[Gunther]

3 hours ago, Rookieblue said:

The reason he was removed from staff was due to having multiple strikes on his record, not this sole incident. Just wanted to clear that portion up for people. Additionally, staff strikes can not be appealed in ban appeals, this would need to be appealed with the Server Manager Igneous directly through whichever avenue Igneous dictates.

It should also be noted that Dect noticed that he was able to bet above the prescribed bet limit, and continued to do so to profit off of the unauthorized bets. After learning of the glitch and continuing to use the glitch to profit, that is the definition of exploiting.

While I agree with Rookie, the fact remains that various other people were doing the same, even High Command. For only him to be held accountable is not right and unfair. I'm in Support of the ban being lifted, otherwise everyone else who did the same should be held accountable too, right?

 

[Southpaw]

11 hours ago, Rookieblue said:

The reason he was removed from staff was due to having multiple strikes on his record, not this sole incident. Just wanted to clear that portion up for people. Additionally, staff strikes can not be appealed in ban appeals, this would need to be appealed with the Server Manager Igneous directly through whichever avenue Igneous dictates.

 

 

15 hours ago, jackyman21 said:

This is a tricky one. I am going to +support (and this might change based on SMT's side)

 I suggest whoever reviews this takes a look at United States v. Kane (2 men found a glitch in a video poker machine and were able to win 500 thousand dollars before being caught). It is very similar to this case.

 

 

Dect did not do any intentional exploit other than knowing there was a glitch in the machine. Dect himself did not intentionally change anything, an error in the addon/whatever did. Dect also had the SAME chance of winning/losing (50/50) as the proper betting amount. Is it still technically an exploit, technically yes. But, in this case it did not cause major havoc, and it can be reversed. Not only that, Dect had lost MORE than he won betting 500k at a time as well. From my limited time on the server Dect has been an EXEMPLARY role model to me and MANY others, as well as an outstanding staff member. In my opinion he should be allowed back as staff. I wont speak on the ban for now.

 

 

[The Apple]

18 hours ago, jackyman21 said:

This is a tricky one. I am going to +support (and this might change based on SMT's side)

 I suggest whoever reviews this takes a look at United States v. Kane (2 men found a glitch in a video poker machine and were able to win 500 thousand dollars before being caught). It is very similar to this case.

 

 

Dect did not do any intentional exploit other than knowing there was a glitch in the machine. Dect himself did not intentionally change anything, an error in the addon/whatever did. Dect also had the SAME chance of winning/losing (50/50) as the proper betting amount. Is it still technically an exploit, technically yes. But, in this case it did not cause major havoc, and it can be reversed. Not only that, Dect had lost MORE than he won betting 500k at a time as well. From my limited time on the server Dect has been an EXEMPLARY role model to me and MANY others, as well as an outstanding staff member. In my opinion he should be allowed back as staff. I wont speak on the ban for now.

 

 

[Flixy]

-support

I understand you didn't mean to

but yet again an Head Of Staff did ban you and maybe its the best of choices

 

[CinaedeInvictus]

On 10/27/2020 at 4:19 PM, JD_HAWK504 said:

+ support

Dect is a very good guy and a lot of people will agree with me on this. As he said he has been nothing then dedicated to this sever all though I'm not staff I have herd nothing but good things when he was on his  staff job.  he is a fun and great person in security and he follows the rules to the book .  Now in my opinion this is crazy that you got him for exploit cuase I've seen people talking about making a crazy amounts of money like 12million and you get him for making a million to me he lost more money. this is kind of unfair to him because he got staff rank taking away and banned for a week. Dect is a super good person and I truly don't see him trying to exploit.

 

[[GL] Dtscalice]

+/-

Ok so honestly this is a bit wierd in my opinion as it is definitely unfair that only Dect was held accountable when a lot of people were doing so so to hold only him accountable seems a bit biased In My opinion but on the other hand he did exploit in an attempt to get an advantage as many did so idk what to make of this without repeating myself like 30 times

[Not Niro]

Reading this was really hard because how small it was but 
i feel really  bad as you were the only punished for it?
and the fact that you told them about it 
I understand the staff but the ban I don't get the ban at all
I feel like it should be a warning or even a day ban but 1 week I think That's 2 much for a money Exploit If it was something really big then i would understand it but its just money you could just wipe his money and everyone who abused it

+support

[Propane]

- support

Well like just because you didn't get a reply doesnt mean it's not an exploit. You did recognize every other table capped at 50k so if I'd say that'd just be the time to make a bug report. Along with that, 

On 10/27/2020 at 3:50 PM, Dect said:

I was then given a second staff strike (The first one was for getting on Rang's list 3 times for not taking sits) and effectively removing me from staff as a whole.

I personally wouldnt go around doing things I have recognized as a way to do something which is not working as intended and is giving myself an unfair advantage whilst already on a staff strike.

 

You should've seen this coming IMO, i can see you're a good staff member from the replies above, but in the end you abused an exploit, plain and simple. Good luck regardless