Allowing GenSec to GUARD HCZ. - Denied

[Gunther]

Note: The only reason I did not go to Gensec High Command first is because this would affect multiple branches, and SCPs.

What are you suggesting? - I want to see GenSec be allowed to guard and patrol the HCZ, and outside of CC's.

How would this change better the server? - GenSec stands for General Security, while it is MTF's job to combat CI and recontain SCPs, its GenSec job to patrol and guard various points of the facility. Gensec is such a large branch, but a lot of the reason numbers aren't high most of the time is because no one enjoys standing in D-Block. Others being its the easiest branch to get into and a good lot join for one day. Allowing this would:
- Spice things up, allowing GenSec to patrol the HCZ would be a lot more enjoyable than staring at a wall outside Medbay or waiting for a D-Class to riot.
- Gives the facility better response times against CI and SCP breaches, allowing Security to radio it in.
- Allows GenSec to be Security, not Prison Guards. 
- Boosts MTF's radar, and MTF's awareness when sh*t goes down.

Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - 
- Gives the facility better response times against CI and SCP breaches, allowing Security to radio it in.
- Some might start trying to do MTF's job, like trying to solo it.

Who would this change mostly benefit? - Gensec, but also partly Foundation and MTF personnel.

Please link any workshop content, screenshots, or anything that you think may be helpful to those who view this suggestion -

 

[[GL] Jack I the One & Only]

-Support

join omi9 or nu7 if you want to do this,

11 minutes ago, Gunther said:

- Some might start trying to do MTF's job, like trying to solo it.

is a no for me

also why didn't you contact gensec hcmd anyway? they should at least be prepared for new changes to the branch

Edited September 10, 2020 by [GL] Jack I the One & Only

[Squash]

-Support

Just seems way too much like MTF, it would be cool if they had a job that allows them to BE like MTF. But at this point why not just get trained for MTF. Security are needed to protect D Block while MTF deal with other issues like Scps & GOI Raids.

[Gunther]

4 minutes ago, Squash said:

-Support

Just seems way too much like MTF, it would be cool if they had a job that allows them to BE like MTF. But at this point why not just get trained for MTF. Security are needed to protect D Block while MTF deal with other issues like Scps & GOI Raids.

I don't see how. What I'm suggesting is that GenSec guards and patrols the HCZ, not engage SCPs, or CI, and not contain em. That's why they are called General Security. MTF's numbers are big but they aren't that big, more often than not, CI makes it LCZ before anyone notices. 

Edited September 10, 2020 by Gunther

[[GL] Zeus]

-Support

We have MTF for that and wardens already do that in LCZ and can enter HCZ when requested.

[turner6372]

-Support
there is no trade off for mtf what would mtf gain? and plus besides even if security was able to do it we would only have the numbers to do so at like meetings or at prime time for the server which would make it even harder for us to spot ci/scp's that are not at those times.  also this takes away rp from mtf so please do explain what they could gain gunther.

[Comrade Boekhom]

33 minutes ago, turner6372 said:

-Support
there is no trade off for mtf what would mtf gain? and plus besides even if security was able to do it we would only have the numbers to do so at like meetings or at prime time for the server which would make it even harder for us to spot ci/scp's that are not at those times.  also this takes away rp from mtf so please do explain what they could gain gunther.

 

[Phillers]

-Support.

I fully agree that from a logical perspective, it makes sense for General Security to do, well, General Security. However, this would just take away from Nu7/O9's job really.

[Crabbo]

A full 3 branches are already in HCZ-EZ, That is enough, Its hard enough as is for CI to get into LCZ without getting spotted or a SCP to be breached without their CC being found open.
-Support

[Creamey]

-support

Although technically  the idea makes sense, for RP purposes and to avoid completely intercepting the job of Nu7 and Omi9, this does not seem like a viable suggestion at all.

[General bacon]

-support not needed and will make mtf less interesting and if want to do this just join nu-7/omi9

[hobochickenbob]

6 hours ago, Squash said:

-Support

Just seems way too much like MTF, it would be cool if they had a job that allows them to BE like MTF. But at this point why not just get trained for MTF. Security are needed to protect D Block while MTF deal with other issues like Scps & GOI Raids.

 

[Gunther]

6 hours ago, Falxen said:

-Support.

I fully agree that from a logical perspective, it makes sense for General Security to do, well, General Security. However, this would just take away from Nu7/O9's job really.

Again I fail to understand. Gensec are a bunch of guards, while MTF is a Task Force meant to combat CI and recontain SCPs. Patrolling is not their job, it's just something already do while waiting for something to happen. This would not take away MTF's job, MTF can still guard and patrol, but Gensec is just added Security.

[Phillers]

23 minutes ago, Gunther said:

Again I fail to understand. Gensec are a bunch of guards, while MTF is a Task Force meant to combat CI and recontain SCPs. Patrolling is not their job, it's just something already do while waiting for something to happen. This would not take away MTF's job, MTF can still guard and patrol, but Gensec is just added Security.

Yes, but it'd take away from MTF's job. Lets say that if GenSec was already guarding HCZ because they can do that, then whats MTF gonna do? They can still guard and patroll sure, but how would GenSec feel if we permenantly stationed MTF in D-Block? They'd be annoyed because they are less important.

I understand you want GenSec to have more of a purpose, but with how the server is setup  just don't think it'd be a good idea.

Edited September 10, 2020 by Falxen

[Gunther]

38 minutes ago, Falxen said:

Lets say that if GenSec was already guarding HCZ because they can do that, then whats MTF gonna do?

The actual point of their job? Recontain SCPs and combat CI? I highly doubt anyone joins MTF just to patrol HCZ.

[Jack S]

5 hours ago, CreameyCheesey said:

-support

Although technically  the idea makes sense, for RP purposes and to avoid completely intercepting the job of Nu7 and Omi9, this does not seem like a viable suggestion at all.

Wardens was made for a reason to help MTF, this is just pushing it.

-Support

Edited September 10, 2020 by [GL] loudyfam (Jack S)

[Sixx]

5 hours ago, CreameyCheesey said:

-support

Although technically  the idea makes sense, for RP purposes and to avoid completely intercepting the job of Nu7 and Omi9, this does not seem like a viable suggestion at all.

-Support, if you wanna guard HCZ join Nu7. 

[Cogs]

10 hours ago, [GL] Zeus said:

-Support

We have MTF for that and wardens already do that in LCZ and can enter HCZ when requested.

Ah yes, the LCZ branch guarding HCZ, might as well have em in EZ too LMAO.

-Support but red

[Propane]

1 hour ago, Gunther said:

The actual point of their job? Recontain SCPs and combat CI? I highly doubt anyone joins MTF just to patrol HCZ.

Chain reactions, gensec in HCZ when they see an SCP Breach or CI Raid arent just gonna say,

"Sorry I cant shoot you I'm not MTF"

-support

[Forehead man [GL]]

-support the fuck? that is just going to take away mtf's jobs and then nu7 activity will go down as a result

[[GL] Mike]

-Support

First and foremost I wanna just say this now don't turn this into an argument please I dont wanna see this be a back and forth Issue where it's gonna be constant arguments.

Now for my Opinion:
I don't think this should be added for multiple reasons but for now I'll list 3 of them here just to get a point across as soon as I can.

1. Unfair for CI- This gives CI another force they have to go against just to make it to LCZ, Then they would have to go through 2 MTF branches, Maybe even 3 then Security? That's a possibility of 4 Branches they would have to fight and stop 80% of raids before getting halfway through HCZ.

2. Take's away from MTF- Nu7's MAIN JOB our sole reason we are here is to make sure SCPs are Recontained and Stay Contained that would mean patrolling HCZ and with HSU having to patrol LHCZ while the rest of Nu7 besides a few patrol UHCZ I again see this only as another branch CI have to fight as otherwise this isn't needed at all.

3. Generally No Use for it- Security are supposed to be LCZs force thats why MTF aren't really supposed to be there unless Defcon 3 or lower. Security's job is to make sure LCZ doesn't get compromised at all so it's safe for Research and Utility to walk around so as I see it you don't really need HCZ access 24/7.

Finally:
I just don't think this is needed really you guys have your duties and fun in LCZ and can go into HCZ when needed but other than that I really think you should just leave it to MTF as they are the force that works in HCZ and EZ.

[pixalgamer99]

this has already been talked about GENSEC HAVE NO PLACE IN HCZ BESIDES ESCORTS STOP TRYING TOO MAKE THEM INTO MINI MTF IF YOU WANT TOO LOOK AT OTHER THINGS JOIN MTF OR A NON COMABATANT BRANCH MTF IS FOR D BLOCK AND ESCORTS NOT DOING MTFS JOB BUT WORSE ALSO YOU JUST GOT WARDENS 

[CanOBeanz]

-Support

Each combat branch has their niche to fill and the server ecosystem really depends on security's dedication to Dblock / guarding LCZ from d class as their niche.

We have a multi-life system that allows people to join more than one branch if they want to try something different; I believe we'd be best served letting players explore further beyond D block duties by using another life on a different branch, rather than trying to change up the whole of security's role in the server to this extent. 

[pixalgamer99]

5 hours ago, Gunther said:

Again I fail to understand. Gensec are a bunch of guards, while MTF is a Task Force meant to combat CI and recontain SCPs. Patrolling is not their job, it's just something already do while waiting for something to happen. This would not take away MTF's job, MTF can still guard and patrol, but Gensec is just added Security.

gensecs job is too guard D class and do escorts MTFs is stopping SCPS and all that the name MTF doesn't mean their actually MTF their an STF your a guard not a powerful unit who is meant to deal with the dangerous SCPs and the CI if you want too do MTFs job join MTF

[Jack (utility one)]

I understand what your coming from I do support that but what I feel wouldn't really work the best considering we have to think about multiple branches and such. As we have Omicron 9 and Nu7 that do that already.