Suicide Bombers - Accepted

[Propane]

What you want to see? - If an explosion deals more than 100hp to yourself, it is considered suicide bombing

Why should we add it? - I've had a demo expert nitro me at point blank range, but they had 10hp left and i still died. If they lost so much HP it should be suicide bombing

What are the advantages of having this? - Discourage using explosives all the time.

Who is it mainly for? - Everyone

[Chief_]

To be honest. Suicide bombing is when you kill yourself and others. Or just yourself. Its not really considered suicide bombing.

+/- support

[[GL] Zeus]

Suicide bombing is if you commit suicide/kill your self while bombing. This is really not possible to monitor firstly. The number of sits regarding this would be huge and staff would have a hard time

Secondly Its very easy to lose health while using explosives so you can’t really blame the players too, because of the pretty huge blast radius.

Its called suicide bombing for a reason cause you commit suicide.

Overall it seems petty and would destroy the RP of explosive specialists in all branches and the MTF job pack 

-Support 

[Gh0pit]

 

Seems like someone got a little mad about a thing called Danger Close. 

-support for deciding to disregard the word "suicide" in the phrase "suicide bombing".

[Gunther]

Even if he did Suicide Bomb himself, would it not make sense for a person on the verge of death to take out the enemy with him in order to protect the Foundation? MTF do put their lives after the Foundation's protection so it makes total sense why he would kill you along with himself. Then again, the Nitro has such a huge blast radius its hard to account for the trajectory.

-Support

[Bionicle]

People shouldn’t actively be trying to suicide bomb anyways, so this is a bit unneeded. If someone attempts it, just call staff for FailRP

 

-support unneeded

[Rektify]

-Support

Like Chief said, suicide bombing means to kill yourself in the process. 

[Doggo0]

25 minutes ago, Rektify said:

-Support

Like Chief said, suicide bombing means to kill yourself in the process. 

 

[October]

+support just because they don’t die doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be considered suicide bombing. If they’re left with 10 hp they’ve essentially suicide bombed and IRL would’ve blown their legs off. It’s not fair to CI that they can just bomb us from close range. Either don’t allow this or give CI an explosive expert that will be just as toxic. 

[a frog]

1 hour ago, October said:

+support just because they don’t die doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be considered suicide bombing. If they’re left with 10 hp they’ve essentially suicide bombed and IRL would’ve blown their legs off. It’s not fair to CI that they can just bomb us from close range. Either don’t allow this or give CI an explosive expert that will be just as toxic. 

 

[Gh0pit]

2 hours ago, October said:

+support just because they don’t die doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be considered suicide bombing. If they’re left with 10 hp they’ve essentially suicide bombed and IRL would’ve blown their legs off. It’s not fair to CI that they can just bomb us from close range. Either don’t allow this or give CI an explosive expert that will be just as toxic. 

so you're saying if I wound myself with my own explosion because i miscalculated the blast radius, im "suicide bombing" you and that isn't fair to you? I mean, I guess ill just make sure we both die in the explosion then because then thats fair to both of us. OH WAIT

[starr]

this rule shouldnt be "killing yourself in the process" since thats just unrealistic, however just losing around 10-50 hp should leave you concussed, unless you end up dead.

and you want my honest opinion? 

if your dumb enough to shoot/throw an explosive that you will hit yourself or other friendlies with heavy damage, then you shouldn't you have the WL, but if you keep the WL because HCMD say otherwise, you might as well get a warning (or verbal)

its not hard to understand that the facility is a small place filled with even more smaller areas, if you cant hit only your enemy, then dont use it.

Edited April 15, 2020 by starr

[October]

1 hour ago, Gh0pit said:

so you're saying if I wound myself with my own explosion because i miscalculated the blast radius, im "suicide bombing" you and that isn't fair to you? I mean, I guess ill just make sure we both die in the explosion then because then thats fair to both of us. OH WAIT

No what I’m saying is that if you get yourself down to 10hp you’ve in essence done a suicide bombing. I don’t mean taking a tiny amount of damage because you were on the edge of the blast explosion. Now, I’m going on the rule that they can’t suicide bomb because if they could CI wouldn’t stand a chance. With 1 bomb they can take out 5 people who are all on full hp. There is no CI job that can even come close to doing that. I don’t want to start a fight, but I want to expand the definition of suicide bombing to make it more fair for CI. 

[Gh0pit]

37 minutes ago, October said:

No what I’m saying is that if you get yourself down to 10hp you’ve in essence done a suicide bombing. I don’t mean taking a tiny amount of damage because you were on the edge of the blast explosion. Now, I’m going on the rule that they can’t suicide bomb because if they could CI wouldn’t stand a chance. With 1 bomb they can take out 5 people who are all on full hp. There is no CI job that can even come close to doing that. I don’t want to start a fight, but I want to expand the definition of suicide bombing to make it more fair for CI. 

i don't mean to start a fight either, I'm just thinking that the only reason this suggestion got made was because a CI got killed by an explosion that probably would have killed the demo expert who threw it. This suggestion is way too hard to manage staffwise and unnecessary. 

[[GL] Dtscalice]

Ok so in my opinion suicide bombing is killing yourself with a bomb not leaving yourself at 10 HP but on the subject a lot of the explosions have a large radius and it is hard to calculate for the speed and distance of which you are throwing or shooting the explosive unless you have sat in a singleplayer map and counted the time it took to hit a target or you sit there for possibly hours on end trying to figure out how large the radius is, Even so during combat a good amount of times ive seen a nitro or frag grenade thrown in a panic not giving the person much time to calculate so i say -support since if they dont kill themselves its not suicide bombing

Edited April 15, 2020 by [GL] Dtscalice

[TheeReaper]

20 hours ago, Chief_ said:

To be honest. Suicide bombing is when you kill yourself and others. Or just yourself. Its not really considered suicide bombing.

+/- support

 

[[GL] Mike]

15 hours ago, Rektify said:

-Support

Like Chief said, suicide bombing means to kill yourself in the process. 

 

[[GL] Zeus]

4 hours ago, Gh0pit said:

i don't mean to start a fight either, I'm just thinking that the only reason this suggestion got made was because a CI got killed by an explosion that probably would have killed the demo expert who threw it. This suggestion is way too hard to manage staffwise and unnecessary. 

This is just turning into a CI vs MTF battle rather than a suggestion

-Support

[Gh0pit]

3 hours ago, [GL] Zeus said:

This is just turning into a CI vs MTF battle rather than a suggestion

-Support

yeaaaaah. Danger close Pro unlocked

[a frog]

15 hours ago, [GL] Dtscalice said:

Ok so in my opinion suicide bombing is killing yourself with a bomb not leaving yourself at 10 HP but on the subject a lot of the explosions have a large radius and it is hard to calculate for the speed and distance of which you are throwing or shooting the explosive unless you have sat in a singleplayer map and counted the time it took to hit a target or you sit there for possibly hours on end trying to figure out how large the radius is, Even so during combat a good amount of times ive seen a nitro or frag grenade thrown in a panic not giving the person much time to calculate so i say -support since if they dont kill themselves its not suicide bombing

I get that but i think just shooting right where a ci is like 10 feet from you should count 

[Gunther]

22 hours ago, October said:

just because they don’t die doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be considered suicide bombing.

Wouldn't that just be a bombing then? They would have to kill themselves, on purpose, for it to be considered suicide bombing.

[Rabbit]

If they dealt 100 damage to themselves or team mates thats intent and dancing around the rules.
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I love it when people try to pull this out in staff sits though

Big fat +support

While I'm here.
If your arguing over the definition of suicide bombing or trying to make this a branch vs branch issue, I would like to remind you this is a Suggestion keep things on topic

[Igneous]

Accepted! Please allow up to a week for any suggestions you have requested to be added in game or on the forums.