Replace The Vector - Accepted

[APE]

What are you suggesting? -  

That we swap out the Kriss Vector from the workshop for another good SMG. The top contender Being the UMP-45 since it only takes 15 body shots with it too kill a 200 200 CC. It does more damage than Kriss, but is slower. Option two is the MP5, which has good speed and damage, and then there is the Mac10, which to me is the most realistic option for D-Class but I doubt anyone wants to give D-Class Non military grade weaponry. 

How would this change better the server? - 

Security Could Hold D-Block, meaning research can do tests, Utility can RP safely, MTF don't have to worry about HCZ. It will help our foundation members with way less armor and HP than they need to handle the Kriss Vector.  Security alone has well over 100 people with only 100-125 Health and 50 Armor, All the research and Medical that die in two seconds, as well as the low armored and HP MTF units. I have seen many MTF squads get mowed down by D-Class in the past 24 hours. I'm talking Omni, HSU, the whole nine. If these SF cannot handle all these dclass, then how can any LCZ forces besides wardens stand a chance? D-class already have numerical advantage, the advantage of no NLR, and the advantage of good close range weaponry. Now we are giving them over 1000 RPM SMGs that we cannot buy from armory? I'm all for D-block balance and this is a step towards it, but the boundary between balance and death row inmates having ridiculous weaponry has been overstepped.

Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - 

D-Class mains are going to complain that it isn't balanced, without realizing that D-class aren't supposed to be on equal footing with foundation. 

Who would this change mostly benefit? -

Foundation

Please link any workshop content, screenshots, or anything that you think may be helpful to those who view this suggestion -

If we are just using money, it only costs around 4k for a D-class to get the Kriss Vector. If they Mine they can get it for thousands less. I have over 800k, the workshop is a personal armory with weapons way too easy to make, Kriss Vector being that prime issue. This can be so easily used and abused its ridiculous. Many D-Class mains are literally surprised it hasn't been fixed yet. Do you have any  clue how easy it is to get 4k on this server? And how much easier it is now that the Casinos are out? We need to change this so activity doesn't drop. The only times LCZ is secure is when its max pop late in the day, even then riots can start up and overtake D-Block super fast. All D-class have to do is stock up on their materials, get the gun, die, make the gun again, die, all until they run out of Materials. They don't have NLR so its D-Class spraying over 1000 RPM good ranged SMG's at you every 20 seconds. The 20 seconds is only a factor because they have to walk to the workshop.

The solution is not to nerf the Kriss Vector, but too give them a more reasonable weapon. 
This would only anger those who paid ACTUAL REAL LIFE currency to own said weapon, and the OMNI-9 Recon who are soon to be receiving it. It was never complained about till now because it wasn’t used 24/7 by anyone. But now it’s the most used firearm in DBLOCK. 

UMP-45, MAC10, MP5.

All of these are better than the guns DCLASS CC's have, so why complain at all. 

Edited October 11, 2020 by APE

[Jack II]

+ Support

D class shouldnt be having that gun. It is insanely OP

Also incoming angry d class mains

[Meridian]

+Support As much as I love it its op as shit.

[Jack S]

Massive +Support

So this isn't bias I want to explain why.

-10 Iron

-10 Bronze

-10 Ruby

-3 Emerald

-3 Plat

-2 Wood

-Crafting cost=0

= ~$6,000 (if you buy every material, it takes around a couple minutes to get the materials if you don't buy it (other than wood)

This means, that weapons in armory that aren't as good, that cost more are not even needed. You can just mine for 5 minutes or buy the materials. IT CAN COST LESS THAN ~$200 IF YOU SPEND 5 MINUTES MINING.

Vectors can melt enlisted in ~5-6 shots, that shoot very fast.

I tested this earlier and almost took D-block making it even harder to hold then it is, especially when there is only a few GenSec on. The numbers are lowering since you just get shredded by vectors, the wide spread ability to have it, just shreds MTF and GenSec's moral.

[Sixx]

+Support

I would be fine with it being on the big wheel, just not being able to obtain it via mining as it is a very strong weapon.

[Sprink]

3 minutes ago, [GL] loudyfam (Jack S) said:

Massive +Support

So this isn't bias I want to explain why.

-10 Iron

-10 Bronze

-10 Ruby

-3 Emerald

-3 Plat

-2 Wood

-Crafting cost=0

= ~$6,000 (if you buy every material, it takes around a couple minutes to get the materials if you don't buy it (other than wood)

This means, that weapons in armory that aren't as good, that cost more are not even needed. You can just mine for 5 minutes or buy the materials. IT CAN COST LESS THAN ~$200 IF YOU SPEND 5 MINUTES MINING.

Vectors can melt enlisted in ~5-6 shots, that shoot very fast.

I tested this earlier and almost took D-block making it even harder to hold then it is, especially when there is only a few GenSec on. The numbers are lowering since you just get shredded by vectors, the wide spread ability to have it, just shreds MTF and GenSec's moral.

 

[General bacon]

14 minutes ago, [GL] loudyfam (Jack S) said:

Massive +Support

So this isn't bias I want to explain why.

-10 Iron

-10 Bronze

-10 Ruby

-3 Emerald

-3 Plat

-2 Wood

-Crafting cost=0

= ~$6,000 (if you buy every material, it takes around a couple minutes to get the materials if you don't buy it (other than wood)

This means, that weapons in armory that aren't as good, that cost more are not even needed. You can just mine for 5 minutes or buy the materials. IT CAN COST LESS THAN ~$200 IF YOU SPEND 5 MINUTES MINING.

Vectors can melt enlisted in ~5-6 shots, that shoot very fast.

I tested this earlier and almost took D-block making it even harder to hold then it is, especially when there is only a few GenSec on. The numbers are lowering since you just get shredded by vectors, the wide spread ability to have it, just shreds MTF and GenSec's moral.

 

[[GL] Inaccurate]

32 minutes ago, Meridian said:

+Support As much as I love it its op as shit.

 

[DooM Guy]

VECTOR POWERRRR

+Support lol

[TG_Kilo]

2 hours ago, [GL] loudyfam (Jack S) said:

Massive +Support

So this isn't bias I want to explain why.

-10 Iron

-10 Bronze

-10 Ruby

-3 Emerald

-3 Plat

-2 Wood

-Crafting cost=0

= ~$6,000 (if you buy every material, it takes around a couple minutes to get the materials if you don't buy it (other than wood)

This means, that weapons in armory that aren't as good, that cost more are not even needed. You can just mine for 5 minutes or buy the materials. IT CAN COST LESS THAN ~$200 IF YOU SPEND 5 MINUTES MINING.

Vectors can melt enlisted in ~5-6 shots, that shoot very fast.

I tested this earlier and almost took D-block making it even harder to hold then it is, especially when there is only a few GenSec on. The numbers are lowering since you just get shredded by vectors, the wide spread ability to have it, just shreds MTF and GenSec's moral.

I tried out the Vektor and I instantly killed an OFC pretty easily. It is too overpowered for D-Class in general and doesn’t require effort to make with exception of buying 2 wood unless you are on the surface.

[[GL] Fizz-y Soda]

+ Major Support

Yeah, this is way too strong to have as D class.  

[Gunther]

I don't know, part of me wants to agree but part of me also says just kill em, its a 9v1, and then they have to reobtain the weapon. 
-/+Support

Edited October 11, 2020 by Gunther

[Tania]

(+Support)

Coming from a D-Class main I agree. D-Class should not be allowed to have such a ridiculously fast gun that mows down any CC,MTF,HSU,etc...at the price of less than 4000.

This shouldn't even be up for debating whether or not to remove the weapon. The gun HAS to go.

~Love, Tania

Edited October 11, 2020 by Oxteru

[God Emperor Drip]

+Support This gun is crazy make either crafting lvl super high or change the gun 

[Tania]

2 minutes ago, God Emperor Drip said:

make either crafting lvl super high or change the gun 

^

[APE]

Note: Doom guy and Tania literally only play DCLASS and are always Minus supporting suggestions that nerf them, the fact that this gun being available to DCLASS is so broken that even they + Support it means a whole lot. When the DCLASS CC Mains plus support an "Anti DCLASS" post is when you know the gun needs replacing, thanks guys. 

[Comrade Boekhom]

2 hours ago, Gunther said:

I don't know, part of me wants to agree but part of me also says just kill em, its a 9v1, and then they have to reobtain the weapon. 
-/+Support

 

[Creamey]

5 hours ago, Sixx said:

+Support

I would be fine with it being on the big wheel, just not being able to obtain it via mining as it is a very strong weapon.

 

[Dect]

2 hours ago, [GL] Fizz-y Soda said:

+ Major Support

Yeah, this is way too strong to have as D class.  

 

21 minutes ago, APE said:

Note: Doom guy and Tania literally only play DCLASS and are always Minus supporting suggestions that nerf them, the fact that this gun being available to DCLASS is so broken that even they + Support it means a whole lot. When the DCLASS CC Mains plus support an "Anti DCLASS" post is when you know the gun needs replacing, thanks guys. 

 

5 hours ago, [GL] loudyfam (Jack S) said:

Massive +Support

So this isn't bias I want to explain why.

-10 Iron

-10 Bronze

-10 Ruby

-3 Emerald

-3 Plat

-2 Wood

-Crafting cost=0

= ~$6,000 (if you buy every material, it takes around a couple minutes to get the materials if you don't buy it (other than wood)

This means, that weapons in armory that aren't as good, that cost more are not even needed. You can just mine for 5 minutes or buy the materials. IT CAN COST LESS THAN ~$200 IF YOU SPEND 5 MINUTES MINING.

Vectors can melt enlisted in ~5-6 shots, that shoot very fast.

I tested this earlier and almost took D-block making it even harder to hold then it is, especially when there is only a few GenSec on. The numbers are lowering since you just get shredded by vectors, the wide spread ability to have it, just shreds MTF and GenSec's moral.

 

[Mind Stone]

5 hours ago, Sixx said:

+Support

I would be fine with it being on the big wheel, just not being able to obtain it via mining as it is a very strong weapon.

 

[Sixx]

3 hours ago, Gunther said:

I don't know, part of me wants to agree but part of me also says just kill em, its a 9v1, and then they have to reobtain the weapon. 
-/+Support

The problem is it isnt a 9v1 most of the time, there's more then 1 D-Class lol.

[Blackbeard]

+Support!

All reasons stated above.

[Hope]

+support

That gun is way too OP lol. 

[[GL] Fizz-y Soda]

They just changed it to having to use anomalous to craft it. Still recommend just straight up changing it.

[APE]

1 hour ago, [GL] Fizz-y Soda said:

They just changed it to having to use anomalous to craft it. Still recommend just straight up changing it.

I agree completely. There should be no access besides the wheel.