Remove 8286 ability to enter D-Block - Denied

[Toasty]

Post name: Remove 8286 ability to enter D-Block

What are you suggesting? - Removing 8286 ability to enter D-Block

How would this change better the server? - At the moment 8286 having the ability to enter D-Block causes problems in my eyes. While in D-Block D-Class have to deal with Security & MTF defending preventing them from escaping, having 8286 in there adds a Keter SCP that they have to deal with as well and since 8286 is an SCP it doesn't have to follow the rules of engagement within D-Block and could just kill all D-Class whenever it wants without any repercussions, even if the D-Class are innocent. On top of 8286 being a Keter and being able to kill whatever it wants, D-Class are unable to fight back unless they want the entirety of D-Block attacking them so basically 8286 is being protected to RDM D-Class. 8286 being in D-Block also affects Security, Security has to deal with D-Class rioting and with 8286 they have to worry about being stabbed in the back or "cross fired" by it, it just adds more things for them to worry about that they shouldn't have to. In my opinion 8286 being in D-Block causes people to have to deal with stuff they shouldn't have to deal with, of course D-Class will have to deal with the SCPs when they manage to escape D-Block but that should be something they have to worry about later and not in the initial riot and attempt to escape D-Block. 

Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - Unfortunately, this change would be a nerf to 8286 since it will be restricted from D-Block but 8286 still has an entire Facility, Surface, and CI base it can roam around and interact with players, the removal of D-Block would be a minor nerf to 8286 and a massive benefit to D-Class & Security.

Who would this change mostly benefit? - This change would be a huge benefit to D-Class & Security. With this change it will allow Security to better perform their job without having to worry about a Keter SCP killing them from behind or within their ranks as well as giving D-Class a better chance of successful riots and survival since they won't be getting RDM by a Keter SCP that has the protection of the entirety of D-Block.

[Demon Dice]

ummmm +SUPPORT 

 

To my knowledge keter class scps cant go in dblock anyway because they just cause way to many issues

[Mind Stone]

+Support

Idk when this was added, but I’m not a fan. We shouldn’t be letting SCPs into D Block

[Sprink]

3 hours ago, Mind Stone said:

+Support

Idk when this was added, but I’m not a fan. We shouldn’t be letting SCPs into D Block

 

[Rex Velvet]

- support

When 8286 is out, the entire facility pretty much gets ID checked. Failure to abide by the RoE in dblock while disguised as facility will get most ppl (and has gotten me multiple times) in "trouble" with gensec and additionally ID checked. Also, while 8286 is a Keter class scp, its health pool is more than manageable for a single dclass and any gensec member. Being stabbed in the back and deceptively killed by 8286 is how the scp is intended to be played. The swep itself has a cooldown and while in the process of stealing someones identity you are left vulnerable, so its not exactly an easy task. Additionally, most 8286's I see fall into 1 of 2 categories, foundation security helping hold dblock or helping dclass. The ones who hold for gensec usually die pretty fast since their hp isnt much more than most foundation security. The latter usually last much longer and cause much more havoc due to being more discreet, so I would argue its more beneficial to gensec and a psuedo-nerf for dclass.

 

In short :

There are ramifications for not following the RoE in dblock and by crossfiring even once, gensec can (and in personal experience have) used that as an excuse to ID check.

8286's health pool is manageable by a single dclass 

Situational awareness after 8286's breach was announced in site comms will save you from dying to him

 More beneficial to Gensec

[ZeferGaming]

4 hours ago, Rex Velvet said:

- support

When 8286 is out, the entire facility pretty much gets ID checked. Failure to abide by the RoE in dblock while disguised as facility will get most ppl (and has gotten me multiple times) in "trouble" with gensec and additionally ID checked. Also, while 8286 is a Keter class scp, its health pool is more than manageable for a single dclass and any gensec member. Being stabbed in the back and deceptively killed by 8286 is how the scp is intended to be played. The swep itself has a cooldown and while in the process of stealing someones identity you are left vulnerable, so its not exactly an easy task. Additionally, most 8286's I see fall into 1 of 2 categories, foundation security helping hold dblock or helping dclass. The ones who hold for gensec usually die pretty fast since their hp isnt much more than most foundation security. The latter usually last much longer and cause much more havoc due to being more discreet, so I would argue its more beneficial to gensec and a psuedo-nerf for dclass.

 

In short :

There are ramifications for not following the RoE in dblock and by crossfiring even once, gensec can (and in personal experience have) used that as an excuse to ID check.

8286's health pool is manageable by a single dclass 

Situational awareness after 8286's breach was announced in site comms will save you from dying to him

 More beneficial to Gensec

 

[Chineseman]

10 hours ago, Mind Stone said:

+Support

Idk when this was added, but I’m not a fan. We shouldn’t be letting SCPs into D Block

 

[Reeses]

-/+support

8286 is supposed to stay among humans and play as them if he gets a gensec and he isn't in dblock or something like that it ruins rp and people trying to figure it out if it is 8286 or not.

But I understand the anger but just my opinion

[Alexxxx]

We've already spoken about this topic amongst us SA, but I'll leave my view on it.

I'm kind of split on this honestly. Even though I mostly agree with you that both Security and MTF are already dealing with D-Class, it's mostly MTF's fault for letting 8286 breach (unless someone breached him) in the first place + It'd be kinda lame to camp in D-Block to avoid 8286 which would make him less dangerous and It's not like D-class are rioting 24/7. Also about Security having to worry about 8286, it's kinda the whole point of Keter SCP's breaching right. If anything it'd lead to MTF trying even harder to RC and find 8286.

By allowing 8286 into D-Block you'd be forced to have your guard up 24/7 and make sure to not walk around alone even in D-block, so I'd be leaning more towards -Support
 

Edited December 17, 2022 by Alexxxx

[Elevate]

16 hours ago, Reeses said:

-/+support

8286 is supposed to stay among humans and play as them if he gets a gensec and he isn't in dblock or something like that it ruins rp and people trying to figure it out if it is 8286 or not.

But I understand the anger but just my opinion

 

[Trizium]

On 12/16/2022 at 3:13 AM, Demon Dice said:

ummmm +SUPPORT 

 

To my knowledge keter class scps cant go in dblock anyway because they just cause way to many issues

 

[Ayaya]

I would be +/- Support on this. However I think there is one big thing I could agree on allowing to happen. If there was a rule implemented that allowed 8286 to be in dblock however was not allowed to take the life of anyone while inside I think this could lead to some very interesting scenarios such as escorting a researcher and taking their identity once alone.

[Tazza]

-support

there should be no reason that D-block a ((IN RP)) place shouldn't allow a few SCPs to enter that can do RP like 8286...

[Vuitheirt]

Is this an actual problem that's been happening? I've never seen this happen or heard of it, also wouldn't he follow under the rule about SCPs not being able to enter D block, If the thing you say about 8286 being able to RDM D class wouldn't security command take care of that? if they believed one of their officers was not following rules? Also 8286 is one of the weakest SCP's I don't believe that rioting D class would be stopped by it for very long. Not to mention there's eyes everywhere in D block I really have a hard time believe that someone would not see you kill someone and disguise as them.  -Support  

[ItzGray]

On 12/16/2022 at 6:50 AM, Rex Velvet said:

- support

When 8286 is out, the entire facility pretty much gets ID checked. Failure to abide by the RoE in dblock while disguised as facility will get most ppl (and has gotten me multiple times) in "trouble" with gensec and additionally ID checked. Also, while 8286 is a Keter class scp, its health pool is more than manageable for a single dclass and any gensec member. Being stabbed in the back and deceptively killed by 8286 is how the scp is intended to be played. The swep itself has a cooldown and while in the process of stealing someones identity you are left vulnerable, so its not exactly an easy task. Additionally, most 8286's I see fall into 1 of 2 categories, foundation security helping hold dblock or helping dclass. The ones who hold for gensec usually die pretty fast since their hp isnt much more than most foundation security. The latter usually last much longer and cause much more havoc due to being more discreet, so I would argue its more beneficial to gensec and a psuedo-nerf for dclass.

 

In short :

There are ramifications for not following the RoE in dblock and by crossfiring even once, gensec can (and in personal experience have) used that as an excuse to ID check.

8286's health pool is manageable by a single dclass 

Situational awareness after 8286's breach was announced in site comms will save you from dying to him

 More beneficial to Gensec

 

[K I W I]

Kinda torn on this personally, on one end I see the endless opportunity for extra roleplay and experience with 8286, on the other hand SCP's shouldn't be in D-Block to begin with since it's kinda a weird area for them to be against D-Classs. I'm leaned more towards
+Support 

[Ellipsis]

On 12/16/2022 at 9:13 AM, Demon Dice said:

ummmm +SUPPORT 

 

To my knowledge keter class scps cant go in dblock anyway because they just cause way to many issues

 

[Avalon Levi]

On 12/16/2022 at 9:50 AM, Rex Velvet said:

- support

When 8286 is out, the entire facility pretty much gets ID checked. Failure to abide by the RoE in dblock while disguised as facility will get most ppl (and has gotten me multiple times) in "trouble" with gensec and additionally ID checked. Also, while 8286 is a Keter class scp, its health pool is more than manageable for a single dclass and any gensec member. Being stabbed in the back and deceptively killed by 8286 is how the scp is intended to be played. The swep itself has a cooldown and while in the process of stealing someones identity you are left vulnerable, so its not exactly an easy task. Additionally, most 8286's I see fall into 1 of 2 categories, foundation security helping hold dblock or helping dclass. The ones who hold for gensec usually die pretty fast since their hp isnt much more than most foundation security. The latter usually last much longer and cause much more havoc due to being more discreet, so I would argue its more beneficial to gensec and a psuedo-nerf for dclass.

 

In short :

There are ramifications for not following the RoE in dblock and by crossfiring even once, gensec can (and in personal experience have) used that as an excuse to ID check.

8286's health pool is manageable by a single dclass 

Situational awareness after 8286's breach was announced in site comms will save you from dying to him

 More beneficial to Gensec

-Support
If hes disguised as a GenSec below SGT n is outside of D-block he will be caught easly so doesnt make sense for him to not enter D block, maybe add something in the MOTD for him like: SCP-8286's only allowed in D-Block if disguised as GenSec. however SCP's arent played as much cause they are VERY restricted in their gameplay n they shoundt be debuffed in any way rn.

[Slidezz]

On 12/16/2022 at 3:13 AM, Demon Dice said:

ummmm +SUPPORT 

 

To my knowledge keter class scps cant go in dblock anyway because they just cause way to many issues

plus its unfair if this is the only keter that is allowed 

imo safe class should be the only ones allowed there.

[Chief_]

Denied. The SCP-RP SMT has decided against adding this suggestion for performance reasons, the benefit to the server, or another unstated reason.