Wolfgangg Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) What do you want to see? - I want to see warns removed slowly over time. Preferably I would like them to dissipate every 2-3 months since the time they were given. Why should we add it? - This should be added in order to allow people to change their actions and personalities over time. At the moment the warning system is just another way to permanently strike players and because they are taken into consideration when applying to most departments I do not believe it is fair for a warn made several years earlier to affect someone's chances of getting accepted What are the advantages of having this? - Give players a chance to change Warnings should simply be here to make sure people are not mass minging every time they are on the server. If someone has been on the server for four years and has accumulated 5 warns a year it would put them at 20 warns, past most departmental limits which I believe is not fair. When I first joined the server back in early 2016 I myself was immature and thought I could bend the rules to my advantage, I have gained almost every warn on the server from that time and it is not fair that they should still count against me. Who is it mainly for? - Everyone on the server. Links to any content - N/A Edited October 30, 2018 by Wolfgangg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injoker Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rhenic said: -support As much as I want my old warns removed, warns are there to log what you did to break the rules. It’s just like saying let’s clear every criminals record and let them start fresh because they haven’t been arrested in a few months. I agree with this but does a warn from a year ago dictate who you are today. I originally joined the server to mess around and minge and now I am here sooo lol Edited October 30, 2018 by Injoker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 - Support Warns are there for a reason. Every action you take has a consequence. Those warns are meant to be there as a permanent record. No sense in removing them as people would just keep minging and expect not to reach the warn amount for all the punishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgangg Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Rhenic said: -support As much as I want my old warns removed, warns are there to log what you did to break the rules. It’s just like saying let’s clear every criminals record and let them start fresh because they haven’t been arrested in a few months. I agree with you but you have to remember this is just a gaming server, people grow and learn and I think we both know most people join the server to minge but stay because they see the potential it has. Implementing my suggestion would still give people the punishment they deserve but give them a break when they start truly getting involved with departments and the roleplay on the server. Just now, Logan said: - Support Warns are there for a reason. Every action you take has a consequence. Those warns are meant to be there as a permanent record. No sense in removing them as people would just keep minging and expect not to reach the warn amount for all the punishments. Such as I said in the suggestion the warns would still last a few months, enough time for one to learn from their mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgangg Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rhenic said: Okay so say someone joins and starts being a huge minge, mass rdming, no intention to roleplay, etc. and they get ~10 warnings or so. If this is a thing they will be able to leave, come back 2-3 months later, and no one would know that they’re a repeat offender. If someone does that they should be banned, not warned. I’m talking about minor infractions, what earns are meant to be for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kade Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Honestly. There should be a application to get warns from over 1 to 2 years ago removed if you really have changed. And SMT van decide if you have learned your mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgangg Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rhenic said: We don’t ban for Mass RDM, NITRP, etc. we only ban for major problems such as threats, advertisement, etc. Don’t you think it’s unfair that minor infractions are on the same level as Mass RDM? Maybe that’s something that should be changed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Strudel Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Rhenic said: -support As much as I want my old warns removed, warns are there to log what you did to break the rules. It’s just like saying let’s clear every criminals record and let them start fresh because they haven’t been arrested in a few months. Honestly I couldnt agree more. Plus it shows you to not do it again. Once you get a warn and you a very dedicated player it makes you to not want to break anymore rules because it stays on there besides end up going away. If it did that it might encourage people to do it again. 1 hour ago, Injoker said: I agree with this but does a warn from a year ago dictate who you are today. I originally joined the server to mess around and minge and now I am here sooo lol Like Rhenic said its to show that you did break the rules at one point. It wont effect how we see the player or to put in a harsher punishment its just there to show that you have caused trouble in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgangg Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Rhenic said: No not really. Don’t break the rules and you won’t be warned. You don’t even have to memorize the MOTD. If you are unsure about something, double check the MOTD or ask a staff member before doing it. I have to respectfully disagree with your arguement. I personally do not think that minor and major infractures of server rules should both wind up as warnings. As well as the fact we should all be honest here and recognize that this should be an accepting community of love and that we should welcome second chances and ways for prior warns to be removed once one has learned their lesson with open arms. Everyone goes through rough times of mental corruption and we should have the heart to forgive them over time, such as I suggested. Edited October 30, 2018 by Wolfgangg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaur Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 -Support Maybe PRP manager would allow it, but I'd never do it on SWRP. Warns are deterrent as everyone knows they are permanent, if they go away then every ones mentality about them changes. We have forgiveness, we allow appeals. If the warn isnt false, own up to your mistake. Somone will simply say, "Well idk if i get warned cause it will be gone in 2 months so I can just rack up 20 warns and they'll be gone soon." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Strudel Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gaur said: -Support Maybe PRP manager would allow it, but I'd never do it on SWRP. Warns are deterrent as everyone knows they are permanent, if they go away then every ones mentality about them changes. We have forgiveness, we allow appeals. If the warn isnt false, own up to your mistake. Somone will simply say, "Well idk if i get warned cause it will be gone in 2 months so I can just rack up 20 warns and they'll be gone soon." Exactly how I feel about it and couldnt say it better myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StackableGold Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 33 minutes ago, Gaur said: -Support Maybe PRP manager would allow it, but I'd never do it on SWRP. Warns are deterrent as everyone knows they are permanent, if they go away then every ones mentality about them changes. We have forgiveness, we allow appeals. If the warn isnt false, own up to your mistake. Somone will simply say, "Well idk if i get warned cause it will be gone in 2 months so I can just rack up 20 warns and they'll be gone soon." "It's fine to celebrate success but it is more important to heed the lessons of failure" ~ Bill Gates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Gaur said: -Support Maybe PRP manager would allow it, but I'd never do it on SWRP. Warns are deterrent as everyone knows they are permanent, if they go away then every ones mentality about them changes. We have forgiveness, we allow appeals. If the warn isnt false, own up to your mistake. Somone will simply say, "Well idk if i get warned cause it will be gone in 2 months so I can just rack up 20 warns and they'll be gone soon." Exactly what Gaur said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Gaur said: -Support Maybe PRP manager would allow it, but I'd never do it on SWRP. Warns are deterrent as everyone knows they are permanent, if they go away then every ones mentality about them changes. We have forgiveness, we allow appeals. If the warn isnt false, own up to your mistake. Somone will simply say, "Well idk if i get warned cause it will be gone in 2 months so I can just rack up 20 warns and they'll be gone soon." nicely put and 100% agreed That bald Aussie Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Junior Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Rhenic said: -support As much as I want my old warns removed, warns are there to log what you did to break the rules. It’s just like saying let’s clear every criminals record and let them start fresh because they haven’t been arrested in a few months. ^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhenixBoy300 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 8 hours ago, Rhenic said: -support As much as I want my old warns removed, warns are there to log what you did to break the rules. It’s just like saying let’s clear every criminals record and let them start fresh because they haven’t been arrested in a few months. I agree with Rhenic, but, I think that depending on how long ago warns were, then they dont matter(ie: we keep the record but if you were warned a fw months ago it doesnt affect getting into departments. +/- support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgangg Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Gaur said: -Support Maybe PRP manager would allow it, but I'd never do it on SWRP. Warns are deterrent as everyone knows they are permanent, if they go away then every ones mentality about them changes. We have forgiveness, we allow appeals. If the warn isnt false, own up to your mistake. Somone will simply say, "Well idk if i get warned cause it will be gone in 2 months so I can just rack up 20 warns and they'll be gone soon." Here’s my thought process, if we were to implement this we would change our punishments to be more time based. Such as you can only get 10 warns in two months otherwise you get banned for week etc.... I have warns from when MilRP was literally a darkRP where you could do anything you wanted two and half years ago, should those still count against me on PoliceRP? Edited October 30, 2018 by Wolfgangg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] My Pet named Steve Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 9 hours ago, Rhenic said: -support As much as I want my old warns removed, warns are there to log what you did to break the rules. It’s just like saying let’s clear every criminals record and let them start fresh because they haven’t been arrested in a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lufty Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 -support Warns are supposed to be a consequence not a something that just disappear over a while, most players would be more likely to brake rules if this happened they would say "ahh this will just disappear after a while" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnieDepressant Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 +/- Support + An appeal system should be set up + I agree that people do change behavior - The time frame is too short (I would support a time frame of 6 months - 1 year) If approved a limit of removals should be set (i.e one appeal grants removal of 2 warns per 6-month - 1-year time frame). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 -Support I just wanna start off by saying the warns are there for staff to reference and have a second opinion on if you have done the same thing prior or if it's a first offense, and for the "Players who have wronged in the past but are looking for a way to correct their errors.", They have wronged in the past but should learn from their mistakes and the warning should stick to show that they have committed an offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Aaron Hotcher Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 22 hours ago, AnnieDepressant said: +/- Support + An appeal system should be set up + I agree that people do change behavior - The time frame is too short (I would support a time frame of 6 months - 1 year) If approved a limit of removals should be set (i.e one appeal grants removal of 2 warns per 6-month - 1-year time frame). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulness Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/29/2018 at 10:53 PM, Rhenic said: -support As much as I want my old warns removed, warns are there to log what you did to break the rules. It’s just like saying let’s clear every criminals record and let them start fresh because they haven’t been arrested in a few months. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyGuy Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Denied 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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