General Suggestion - D Block Armory - Denied

[mt. moncher]

What are you suggesting? - A small armory that would have weapons that are more expensive, and not as great as the normal Armory, Suppliers, and Mining, would be added to lower D-Block as an alternative for D-Class.

How would this change better the server? - It is far too hard to get weapons as a D-Class, with mining it takes upwards of an hour to get all the materials you need, and craft all the weapons, and if you haven’t mined on the surface, you have to pay thousands to get the materials you need. The alternative for mining is Suppliers, and with Suppliers, you have to get lucky enough to find one online considering how inactive the job is, they have to be ready to sell guns, and you have to hope they aren’t over-charging for the guns. The armory would fix this, as you would still be able to get some better weapons from mining, and it would be more expensive than getting from Suppliers, this makes it far easier for D-Class to get a weapon which makes it less annoying when you get forced into feeding and lose all of your progress.

Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - The only real disadvantage is too Foundation Jobs, where it would be harder in some situations for Security to hold down D-Block, but on the contrary, it’s already pretty easy, GenSEC spawns with good guns, especially their custom classes, and command.

Who would this change mostly benefit from? - This change will mostly benefit Chaos Insurgency and D-Class, as D-Class can now more easily escape, which would greatly help CI.

Please link any workshop content, screenshots, or anything that you think may be helpful to those who view this suggestion - N/A

Thanks for reading! -Moncher

[The Apple]

-Support

Unless this only sold the shittest of pistols this would cause a problem as D Class getting loose already cause problems which force utility and research to spend hours trapped in bunks

[Pills]

2 minutes ago, The Apple said:

-Support

Unless this only sold the shittest of pistols this would cause a problem as D Class getting loose already cause problems which force utility and research to spend hours trapped in bunks

 

[ripjaw56789]

21 minutes ago, The Apple said:

-Support

Unless this only sold the shittest of pistols this would cause a problem as D Class getting loose already cause problems which force utility and research to spend hours trapped in bunks

If I may, aren't they allowed out on most codes now? 

Now my input on suggestion:
-Support

Getting a weapon as D Class is much easier with the supplier who sells a basic SMG now which is good enough to get you to armory for more powerful guns. 

[MexicanGuy]

-Support

[Sixx]

-Support

D-Class already have multiple ways of getting weapons, this is unneeded. 

[recon]

- SUPPORT

Class D supplier is the D class armory.

[Hoovy]

-Support

Not Needed. Get some weapons from a Supplier or go mine for them. Or find a cool fella named Breakout Bob.

[[GL] Fizz-y Soda]

26 minutes ago, Hoovy said:

-Support

Not Needed. Get some weapons from a Supplier or go mine for them. Or find a cool fella named Breakout Bob.

 

[The Gaming Goat]

2 hours ago, The Apple said:

-Support

Unless this only sold the shittest of pistols this would cause a problem as D Class getting loose already cause problems which force utility and research to spend hours trapped in bunks

 

[purple haze]

-Support

I believe Class-D is balanced as they should be within RP. I think this addition would make them overpowered.

[Tania]

-nay

[Demon Dice]

9 hours ago, Hoovy said:

-Support

Not Needed. Get some weapons from a Supplier or go mine for them. Or find a cool fella named Breakout Bob.

 

[NanaFrost]

-Support
A. This will make 'D Class Supplier' Obsolete
B. This removes the purpose of other D Class Donor Jobs
C. This makes total imbalance of the D Class Vs. Gensec control over D block
D. Where would they put it?
E. This full force makes the mines Absolutely unnecessary
F. This can turn the tides of any and all battles involving D Block needing constant 'Full Lockdown D Block'
G. This causes major issue for research in the fact that they need D class correct? This makes it utterly fucking impossible for a D class to be grabbed
H. This makes it really problematic for MTF if they have to constantly be dealing with D class instead of other issues like SCPs and Dr. Maynard

Overall this is unnecessary and ruins the fragile killing flow, where everything is webbed carefully on balance and control.

TL;DR : Beyond Unnecessary and beyond unbalanced

[Mastertlf]

-Support

Supplier exists for a reason, D-class is underpowered for a reason, quantity over quality, if D-class had access to guns at all times Gensec would have next to no chance because there is almost never more gensec than D-class unless its super late/early
MTF would constantly need to help at d-block instead of focusing on SCPs, CI raids, Sleuths, etc.
D-class is weak because they have numbers not because its unbalanced

-Nu7 CPT Mark Robinson

[Toasty]

- Massive support 

D-Class don't need that, every day D-Class are running wild for hours on end due to them having access to the tec-9 from the supplier. For the most part D-Class are stronger then security, yes there is security CCs but every other job is fairly weak when it comes to HP and Armor since they are supposed to fight D-Class. In my opinion D-Class should have a hard time escaping from the facility but at the moment they just destroy security enlisted and NCOs and once they get to armory and get good guns they are also a problem for MTF and MTF already has to deal with all the SCPs trying to breach and CI raiding they don't need D-Class constantly rioting making it impossible to grab a D-Class for feeding a SCP. Another reason this wont benefit the server is that it will cause the site to be constantly code red so researchers and maintenance cant do their thing, if research and maintenance cant play then it will most likely kill the branches due to the players being unable to actually play and nobody wants to sit in bunks all the time, this will also kill security activity since no one would want to just spawn die over and over because D-Class have guns from the armory. Also since D-Class have no NLR it would make it incredibly more overpowered if they had access to armory guns.

[a_krew10]

- supp  plz no more d-class negevs

Edited July 14, 2021 by a_krew10

[IgnisNuts]

12 hours ago, recon said:

- SUPPORT

Class D supplier is the D class armory.

 

[ItzGray]

8 hours ago, Toasty said:

- Massive support 

D-Class don't need that, every day D-Class are running wild for hours on end due to them having access to the tec-9 from the supplier. For the most part D-Class are stronger then security, yes there is security CCs but every other job is fairly weak when it comes to HP and Armor since they are supposed to fight D-Class. In my opinion D-Class should have a hard time escaping from the facility but at the moment they just destroy security enlisted and NCOs and once they get to armory and get good guns they are also a problem for MTF and MTF already has to deal with all the SCPs trying to breach and CI raiding they don't need D-Class constantly rioting making it impossible to grab a D-Class for feeding a SCP. Another reason this wont benefit the server is that it will cause the site to be constantly code red so researchers and maintenance cant do their thing, if research and maintenance cant play then it will most likely kill the branches due to the players being unable to actually play and nobody wants to sit in bunks all the time, this will also kill security activity since no one would want to just spawn die over and over because D-Class have guns from the armory. Also since D-Class have no NLR it would make it incredibly more overpowered if they had access to armory guns.

 

[OWNED]

This would kill other branches like research from the constant riots it would cause

you have to remember, this is SCP-ROLEPLAY

not SCP-Deathmatch, we dont need more changes that further move the server away from RP and more towards deathmatch battles

-Support

[Chief_]

18 hours ago, Hoovy said:

-Support

Not Needed. Get some weapons from a Supplier or go mine for them. Or find a cool fella named Breakout Bob.

Or a nice furry known as Chiefy Wuffy or as D-YLZ-2157

[Sprink]

19 hours ago, Sixx said:

-Support

D-Class already have multiple ways of getting weapons, this is unneeded. 

 

[PandaInShitpostLand]

-Support

If you want weapons so bad, get someone to become supplier, they will be happy to make a profit on a weapon and both sides are happy

This would be uneeded and cause more server lag

[Loki Himself]

14 hours ago, NanaFrost said:

-Support
A. This will make 'D Class Supplier' Obsolete
B. This removes the purpose of other D Class Donor Jobs
C. This makes total imbalance of the D Class Vs. Gensec control over D block
D. Where would they put it?
E. This full force makes the mines Absolutely unnecessary
F. This can turn the tides of any and all battles involving D Block needing constant 'Full Lockdown D Block'
G. This causes major issue for research in the fact that they need D class correct? This makes it utterly fucking impossible for a D class to be grabbed
H. This makes it really problematic for MTF if they have to constantly be dealing with D class instead of other issues like SCPs and Dr. Maynard

Overall this is unnecessary and ruins the fragile killing flow, where everything is webbed carefully on balance and control.

TL;DR : Beyond Unnecessary and beyond unbalanced

 

[nightsoil]

When suggesting something that will affect gameplay in a significant way, you have to base what you say around balance by also observations the current situation that both branches roles fall into. You’d be correct in that Security spawns with more HP/AP and better, ranged weapons, but never had you considered the advantages of D-Class, particularly CCs: the weapons they receive can pack a punch. D-Class have the element of surprise and will always be allowed to, given the circumstances. D-Class usually have the numbers advantage. Unlike Security, D-Class aren’t confined to static positions that Enlisted personnel usually take. D-Class will never be punished as heavily as Security for dying because their NLR is effectively non-existent.

The point that I’m trying to get at here is that giving every D-Class a cheap pistol will improve their overall effectively tenfold. They have nearly every factor in their favour, aside from spawning with weapons and that’s already a given on custom classes that frequent the server. D-Block will never be held reliably with the current gun game between D-Class and Security.

For this and all reasons stated already stated above, I'm giving this a:

-Support