Getting Rid of Goliath - Denied

[Crazyhorse]

Post name: “General Suggestion - Getting Rid of Goliath”

What are you suggesting? - im suggesting we get rid of goliath and only use him for an event

How would this change better the server? - because then is would even out the sides, with goliath, hes way to op. i saw the event poster, and miniguns arent allowed. so dual miniguns are? makes no sense. goliath had sprayed down 7 CI Solo today and still lived.

Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - MTF who are diamond wont be able to use him

Who would this change mostly benefit? - everyone besides MTF

Please link any workshop content, screenshots, or anything that you think may be helpful to those who view this suggestion 

[Rookieblue]

Doesn't CI have their own mecha of death that they can construct?

[pixalgamer99]

Wait what

6 minutes ago, Rookieblue said:

Doesn't CI have their own mecha of death that they can construct?

And yea CI does but What is Goliath 

[General bacon]

19 minutes ago, pixalgamer99 said:

 

And yea CI does but What is Goliath 

The Nu-7 juggernaut but reworked





And did you even speak to Nu-7 CMD before making this suggestion?

[MattOminigo3]

- Support

1. You didn't even come to anyone in MTF which you should.

2. This is one out of the four Platinum classes available. The Augurs are equivalent to a Negev.

3. The Platinum thing is here to stay and it will not be removed but the gun can be changed. However, I do not see a need. If you get a group of people vs someone the group will win. 

Next time convene with Nu-7 HCMD and SMT if you wanna change a Platinum job.

 

[Blackbeard]

Just now, MattOminigo3 said:

- Support

1. You didn't even come to anyone in MTF which you should.

2. This is one out of the four Platinum classes available. The Augurs are equivalent to a Negev.

3. The Platinum thing is here to stay and it will not be removed but the gun can be changed. However, I do not see a need. If you get a group of people vs someone the group will win. 

Next time convene with Nu-7 HCMD and SMT if you wanna change a Platinum job.

 

Communication is crucial here fellas.

[Ashh]

3 minutes ago, MattOminigo3 said:

- Support

1. You didn't even come to anyone in MTF which you should.

2. This is one out of the four Platinum classes available. The Augurs are equivalent to a Negev.

3. The Platinum thing is here to stay and it will not be removed but the gun can be changed. However, I do not see a need. If you get a group of people vs someone the group will win. 

Next time convene with Nu-7 HCMD and SMT if you wanna change a Platinum job.

 

 

[Eaten]

4 minutes ago, MattOminigo3 said:

- Support

1. You didn't even come to anyone in MTF which you should.

2. This is one out of the four Platinum classes available. The Augurs are equivalent to a Negev.

3. The Platinum thing is here to stay and it will not be removed but the gun can be changed. However, I do not see a need. If you get a group of people vs someone the group will win. 

Next time convene with Nu-7 HCMD and SMT if you wanna change a Platinum job.

 

This is also a tactic kinda thing, don't push a multiple machine guns in a group without expecting to die. Its also been less than a day with this in, give it time

Edited January 5, 2021 by Eaten

[Comrade Boekhom]

32 minutes ago, Rookieblue said:

Doesn't CI have their own mecha of death that they can construct?

The mech required 85+ players and 12 MTF to even attempt to construct, which then they need to hold the warehouse for 10 minutes

[Kodaㅤ]

13 minutes ago, MattOminigo3 said:

- Support

1. You didn't even come to anyone in MTF which you should.

2. This is one out of the four Platinum classes available. The Augurs are equivalent to a Negev.

3. The Platinum thing is here to stay and it will not be removed but the gun can be changed. However, I do not see a need. If you get a group of people vs someone the group will win. 

Next time convene with Nu-7 HCMD and SMT if you wanna change a Platinum job.

 

 

[Bread]

You cannot just "remove" a platinum class. The Juggernaut/Goliath had the negev before, and that had the same effect. Give it some time. The dual augers have already been nerfed by me/rangiatea and are effectively worse than the negev, but is slightly easier to control in terms of up/sideways  kick and has slightly more range. It loses effectiveness at 15-20 feet. 

[Skela]

-Support
the class just been released

[[GL] Mike]

22 minutes ago, MattOminigo3 said:

- Support

1. You didn't even come to anyone in MTF which you should.

2. This is one out of the four Platinum classes available. The Augurs are equivalent to a Negev.

3. The Platinum thing is here to stay and it will not be removed but the gun can be changed. However, I do not see a need. If you get a group of people vs someone the group will win. 

Next time convene with Nu-7 HCMD and SMT if you wanna change a Platinum job.

 

 

[Coltable]

1 hour ago, Rookieblue said:

Doesn't CI have their own mecha of death that they can construct?

Difference is we have 1 slot, that needs 85 players online, 12 MTF online, 10min wait timer + 1hr punishment timer and delta+ to access it, while this job is just mini-guns on a heavy job..., I mean look if they want the job they can keep it just the mini-guns will have to be made shit and therefore making the job useless its suppose to be able to kill shit... the reason why CI gets away with having a good gun on are Mech class is because we spend about 45mins trying to get the Mech, while 3 people can just flag up on this job that's it no work needed at all. There needs to be work involved in getting a op weapon/class same reason why someone cant just flag onto 682 and kill everyone...... 

Look there's no point in nerfing the mini-guns because whats the fucking point in even putting them on the job if they aren't good..... what just because they look nice? that's not how you make a job useful/keep it active, it needs to actually be good at killing shit but you cant make it just op for no reason, it needs requirements if so.

CI HCMD has already explained this to MTF HCMD that said Forum post like these will be made if changes weren't made, so we wont be speaking on the matter anymore.

[enuz 💣]

2 minutes ago, Coltable said:

Difference is we have 1 slot, that needs 85 players online, 12 MTF online, 10min wait timer + 1hr punishment timer and delta+ to access it, while this job is just mini-guns on a heavy job..., I mean look if they want the job they can keep it just the mini-guns will have to be made shit and therefore making the job useless its suppose to be able to kill shit... the reason why CI gets away with having a good gun on are Mech class is because we spend about 45mins trying to get the Mech, while 3 people can just flag up on this job that's it no work needed at all. There needs to be work involved in getting a op weapon/class same reason why someone cant just flag onto 682 and kill everyone...... 

Look there's no point in nerfing the mini-guns because whats the fucking point in even putting them on the job if they aren't good..... what just because they look nice? that's not how you make a job useful/keep it active, it needs to actually be good at killing shit but you cant make it just op for no reason, it needs requirements if so.

CI HCMD has already explained this to MTF HCMD that said Forum post like these will be made if changes weren't made, so we wont be speaking on the matter anymore.

we told yall this would happen...... we said it was an issue....

[Orange 🍊]

3 minutes ago, Coltable said:

Difference is we have 1 slot, that needs 85 players online, 12 MTF online, 10min wait timer + 1hr punishment timer and delta+ to access it, while this job is just mini-guns on a heavy job..., I mean look if they want the job they can keep it just the mini-guns will have to be made shit and therefore making the job useless its suppose to be able to kill shit... the reason why CI gets away with having a good gun on are Mech class is because we spend about 45mins trying to get the Mech, while 3 people can just flag up on this job that's it no work needed at all. There needs to be work involved in getting a op weapon/class same reason why someone cant just flag onto 682 and kill everyone...... 

Look there's no point in nerfing the mini-guns because whats the fucking point in even putting them on the job if they aren't good..... what just because they look nice? that's not how you make a job useful/keep it active, it needs to actually be good at killing shit but you cant make it just op for no reason, it needs requirements if so.

CI HCMD has already explained this to MTF HCMD that said Forum post like these will be made if changes weren't made, so we wont be speaking on the matter anymore.

 

Just now, enuz said:

we told yall this would happen...... we said it was an issue....

 

[Bread]

We made the changes we discussed, the only concern that you brought up was the HP/Armor of the job, which we reduced to a number we agreed on. The dual miniguns are NOT overpowered, they are equivalent if not worse than the negev. I do not want to continue repeating myself. A nerf has already been applied to balance out the accuracy.

Edited January 5, 2021 by Bread

[Pills]

1 hour ago, MattOminigo3 said:

- Support

1. You didn't even come to anyone in MTF which you should.

2. This is one out of the four Platinum classes available. The Augurs are equivalent to a Negev.

3. The Platinum thing is here to stay and it will not be removed but the gun can be changed. However, I do not see a need. If you get a group of people vs someone the group will win. 

Next time convene with Nu-7 HCMD and SMT if you wanna change a Platinum job.

 

 

[enuz 💣]

1 minute ago, Bread said:

We made the changes we discussed, the only concern that you brought up was the HP/Armor of the job, which we reduced to a number we agreed on. The dual miniguns are NOT overpowered, they are equivalent if not worse than the negev. I do not want to continue repeating myself.

This is just not true, we presented many concerns to your guys' face about these new jobs and MattO actually was a step closer to changing this. If I do remember correctly, you left mid-conversation to the Research room and did not join back after that. We told all of you our issues and all the issues that people will see with this. Even if we were to present anything to you, it would be too late because you showed us this job 3 hours before it was due to Rangiatea and we could not say a word. 

[MattOminigo3]

3 minutes ago, enuz said:

This is just not true, we presented many concerns to your guys' face about these new jobs and MattO actually was a step closer to changing this. If I do remember correctly, you left mid-conversation to the Research room and did not join back after that. We told all of you our issues and all the issues that people will see with this. Even if we were to present anything to you, it would be too late because you showed us this job 3 hours before it was due to Rangiatea and we could not say a word. 

I remember we were talking about slots and the weaponry with the shotgun being the concern about Behemoth. The Goliath class Dual Miniguns was a small concern back then we didnt have a lot to go off of.

We went to Rang and he was fine with it. Behemoth might get nerfed anyway.

 

Edited January 5, 2021 by MattOminigo3

[Mind Stone]

-Support

This hasn't been out for a whole 24 hours yet and people already want it removed. Give it some time. Did you even speak with NU7 HCMD about this? Its considered rather disrespectful to change parts of a branch without speaking to the branch heads first. You should consider starting smaller with a nerf (which has already been done), rather than outright removing it.

[Sixx]

1 hour ago, MattOminigo3 said:

Next time convene with Nu-7 HCMD and SMT if you wanna change a Platinum job.

 

If you want to change a branch goto the branches HCMD first and I'm certain you guys could figure something out, HCMD lead the branch after all. 

[Coltable]

6 minutes ago, Mind Stone said:

-Support

This hasn't been out for a whole 24 hours yet and people already want it removed. Give it some time. Did you even speak with NU7 HCMD about this? Its considered rather disrespectful to change parts of a branch without speaking to the branch heads first. You should consider starting smaller with a nerf (which has already been done), rather than outright removing it.

I'm not 100% sure but I think this individual is a dclass/new to the server, Idk about you but I don't expect new players/dclass to go to a branch head. Id expect command of a branch or HCMD of a branch too yes but enlisted or dclass na.

[Rookieblue]

1 hour ago, MattOminigo3 said:

-1. You didn't even come to anyone in MTF which you should.

Next time convene with Nu-7 HCMD and SMT if you wanna change a Platinum job.

Removing a job completely or restricting it to events via the suggestions forum is the proper route to take. Making a suggestion is literally convening with SMT with the suggestion. If he was, for example, recommending a change to the armor or health of the job, then your statement of contacting someone in MTF would be proper. In this case, it isn't.

[MattOminigo3]

3 minutes ago, Rookieblue said:

Removing a job completely or restricting it to events via the suggestions forum is the proper route to take. Making a suggestion is literally convening with SMT with the suggestion. If he was, for example, recommending a change to the armor or health of the job, then your statement of contacting someone in MTF would be proper. In this case, it isn't.

Fair enough. 

Just as long as this doesnt bleed into other suggestions for mtf classes.