Kvist Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Obligatory format: What are you suggesting? - Removing the CI KOS list. How would this change better the server? - All points are below. Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - It may be initially harder for CI to deal with rebelling D-Class. Who would this change mostly benefit? - D-Class that want to actually be D-Class and attack everybody. Hello, To put it simply, the CI KOS list is untenable for any type of roleplay server. To my understanding, they put D-Class on a Kill-on-Sight list if they attack CI during a raid repeatedly. This is troubling for a number of reasons: 1) This is in stark contrast to any type of roleplay rules or standards, particularly concerning using OOC information in an IC fashion. Stopping in the middle of a raid to rp_lookup somebody to decide whether or not to shoot them is difficult to combine with any form of roleplay. D-Class can be annoying, but they should be dealt with in an in-character fashion. 2) The Foundation is forced to come up with IC solutions to D-Class rebellions, whether it's D-Block protocols or using comms to narrow down their search. I respect the fact that CI is in a unique situation as the only anti-Foundation branch, and that should be mitigated with buffs and other advantages. What shouldn't happen is a warping of the rules at the expense of the most important section of the server, the D-Class. 3) This encourages laziness and a lack of roleplay. New procedures or using IC comms is something that CI can easily utilize to counter rebelling D-Class. I distinctly remember a CI raid where they literally locked down D-Block and slaughtered all the D-Class wholesale because they were being attacked constantly. That'll send their message, both IC and OOC. 4) What if the shoe was on the other foot? Can you imagine if the Foundation had a KOS list of EOI operatives? What if we made a list of known rebelling D-Class and just gunned them down when they came up the elevator? Again, CI is in a precarious position as the only anti-Foundation branch, yet warping the rules to benefit them just leads to resentment and confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie_ Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 +Support This is the same if Gensec were to put DNTs or KOSs for a duration of time on Class-D that repeatedly kill them. MTF Epsilon-11 Colonel | farmer glenn | G-FUEL Fiend Former Security DHOS "I’m an early bird and a night owl. So I’m wise and have worms.” ― Michael Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 +support i don't see reason for CI to find and kill d class doesn't seem much RP to me i would like to see more of a this dclass is killing kill him during this raid but it shouldn't carry over Gensec 1LT | RnD IIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Average Pipebomb enjoyer Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 -Support This is needed so MTF dont just get on dclass and target CI for 30 mins E11 2LT || Ex CI 2LT || Average Metal gear rising enjoyer || Ex Nu7 2LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Meeseeks 123 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, Georgie_ said: +Support This is the same if Gensec were to put DNTs or KOSs for a duration of time on Class-D that repeatedly kill them. +Support The CI KOS list has always been unnecessary in my and basically just metagaming in my opinion Ranks: Former DHWD SEC MAJ | Former Nu7 SM | Former Research RM | Former Foxtrot-15 | EXM CCs: (Owns) Omnipurpouse Furry Force, (On) MTF Rev 26 'Vigilant Hero' , Snowmen , MTF Unit Heaven Ascendants A Normal D-Class "Efforts and courage are not enough without purpose and direction." --- JFK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvist Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Average Pipebomb enjoyer said: -Support This is needed so MTF dont just get on dclass and target CI for 30 mins Welcome to D-Class. This is part and parcel of what D-Class is about, people getting on there to shoot at stuff because they're bored. Literally the entire server has to deal with that. It can be dealt with very easily in an IC fashion, and not through Steam IDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridian Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 +Support, I don't really see how this is fair in any way, I understand it's annoying for CI, but to me it seems like using OOC info for an in RP scenario, If GenSec did the same thing for a specific Maynard/EOI player it'd be considered player targeting and failRP. || Retired GenSec || STARS || J04 "Crest" || Foul Tarnished || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie_ Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, Average Pipebomb enjoyer said: -Support This is needed so MTF dont just get on dclass and target CI for 30 mins People that were in CI used to do the exact same thing. After they died in a raid, they would flag onto Class-D and riot. MTF Epsilon-11 Colonel | farmer glenn | G-FUEL Fiend Former Security DHOS "I’m an early bird and a night owl. So I’m wise and have worms.” ― Michael Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Fryingpan36 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 @Cosmic The Italian @Alexxx Opinions? Also -support it's meant to stop D-Class from shooting is every raid. Anyways CI don't go out of their way to shoot people on the KOS list (usually) most of the time we don't shoot first unless it's someone that we know no matter what will shoot us like meeseeks. I see no need for it's removal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvist Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, [GL] Fryingpan36 said: @Cosmic The Italian @Alexxx Opinions? Also -support it's meant to stop D-Class from shooting is every raid. Anyways CI don't go out of their way to shoot people on the KOS list (usually) most of the time we don't shoot first unless it's someone that we know no matter what will shoot us like meeseeks. I see no need for it's removal I just gave you multiple reasons. Your issues with D-Class is the nature is with the nature of D-Class as a whole: they are unpredictable and their allegiances are different. It should be dealt with in an IC fashion through protocols, ingame communication, and so on. Resorting to a completely OOC, metagaming mechanic to deal with what literally the entire server has to deal with isn't cool. Edited March 15, 2022 by Kvist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuz L0g1c Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Average Pipebomb enjoyer said: -Support This is needed so MTF dont just get on dclass and target CI for 30 mins LMAOOO, only if D-Class can't kill or ARDM CI. Quote We either remove the ability for dclass to attack CI, or we keep the list, if you decide to attack the one branch whos trying to help you on the server then its on "you" the player to deal with the consequences of your decision be that being placed on a list or what ever it be, you made that happen nobody else. If you dont want to be placed on a kos list for the safety of CI personnel then don't kill them, easy fix. Edited March 15, 2022 by Cuz L0g1c W̵̠̽O̶̤̐̎͠R̷̨̯͇̘̓̓̐̚Ķ̶̨͙̌͗͋̐ ̷͎̻͈͘H̵̦̝̅́͝Ä̶̱̽R̷̔͊̀͜͠D̷̲̠̱͛͘ ̵̹̞͖͍̽͂Í̶̛̠́̎ͅÑ̶̟͈ ̸̭̖̋̀S̸̞̯͔̈́̍̈̽͜I̵̞̹̓͌̈́Ḹ̴͕̤̠̃Ë̶̘́͑Ṋ̵̰̞̀̏̄́C̸̼̱̏̑Ě̸͕̕͝ ̸͚͊͐͘Á̵̩̂̃N̶̩̦̈́Ḑ̷̲̣͐͐ ̷̨̣͇̄L̴̢̳̰̀̃E̸̙͗̏̕T̵̜́͛̿ ̴̝̯̠̐̇́S̸̠̣͋̆U̶̳̖̹̐C̶͙̩̽C̶̩̻̍̕E̷͈͖̓̈S̴͖͎̆͒͆͜S̸̥̞̗̠̀͌ ̶̫̩̬͂͛͝M̵͇̗͙͗͝͝A̶̛̬̦̾̿K̴̨̙̍ͅͅE̴̠͇̮͐͗́ ̵̳̲̅͑͝T̴͙͙̀̈́ͅH̶̢̎͛̈́̿E̴͈͖̹̔̂͝ ̴̹̯͓̂̈́N̶̦͌͒̔̎Ȍ̸̘͝I̴̭̠̅ͅS̸̭̼͋̕Ë̵́ A̵̙̥̭̠̓̅̎͘͝ͅ1̵̢̙̲̰̦̞͆͊ ̴̝̏́͑͂͝N̴̨͊̍o̸̖̦̬̅̑̇̍͠m̶̖̃a̸͉̤̜̪̘͑͌͝ḑ̶̘̣̬͇̈́ ̵͈̤̪͇̉͋̓̾Ỉ̴͓͔͍̻͖͕́͆͂̕͝ / Ş̵̧̛͙̙̼̌́͑̐͠T̶̢͔̫̿̓̿̅F̷̟̗̅̄̚ͅ ̷̝̈́̏̀̾̔̑D̸̰̓̾͌͝͝4̵̠̼̓̅̆͝͠ ̷̭̺͎̇H̸͚͖͇̃̀̋͘a̷̛͎͉̦̦̐̽́̑d̷̨͖͋e̵͍͒͆ś̵͈̪͓̞ ̸̣͉̄Ḍ̸̓I̶̩͖̖̟̯͒3̵̨̡̩͇̏̏ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltable Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 We either remove the ability for dclass to attack CI, or we keep the list, if you decide to attack the one branch whos trying to help you on the server then its on "you" the player to deal with the consequences of your decision be that being placed on a list or what ever it be, you made that happen nobody else. If you dont want to be placed on a kos list for the safety of CI personnel then don't kill them, easy fix. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyClone Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Average Pipebomb enjoyer said: -Support This is needed so MTF dont just get on dclass and target CI for 30 mins whats the rp reason for d class to kill ci? they are literally helping them escape. 1 minute ago, Cuz L0g1c said: LMAOOO, only if D-Class can't kill or ARDM CI. what jeff said. Retried: CI LTCMDR CI R&D AIN, E11 CPT, and Research Assistant Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydrix Weeb Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 -Support Coltable said it perfectly 2 minutes ago, Coltable said: We either remove the ability for dclass to attack CI, or we keep the list, if you decide to attack the one branch whos trying to help you on the server then its on "you" the player to deal with the consequences of your decision be that being placed on a list or what ever it be, you made that happen nobody else. If you dont want to be placed on a kos list for the safety of CI personnel then don't kill them, easy fix. Current Ranks: N/A Former Ranks: CI SFTO HLS Major D4 Ambrose IV RRH Guardian Romeo 13 SCP-RP Senior Admin RFM EXM CCU CC's: MTF E11 'Last Call' CI Recon Force Frank West MTF Sigma 66 Trooper CI TF2 Heavy Security Elite Sniper The Mets Farmer Jakub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Coltable said: We either remove the ability for dclass to attack CI, or we keep the list, if you decide to attack the one branch whos trying to help you on the server then its on "you" the player to deal with the consequences of your decision be that being placed on a list or what ever it be, you made that happen nobody else. If you dont want to be placed on a kos list for the safety of CI personnel then don't kill them, easy fix. fax Retired Nu-7 Vice Commander Pure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, [GL] Fryingpan36 said: @Cosmic The Italian @Alexxx Opinions? Also -support it's meant to stop D-Class from shooting is every raid. Anyways CI don't go out of their way to shoot people on the KOS list (usually) most of the time we don't shoot first unless it's someone that we know no matter what will shoot us like meeseeks. I see no need for it's removal We'll remove it if D-class can't attack CI anymore, the whole point of the list is to give us a change againts those d-class (you know I'm talking about you) that flag onto D-class whenever CI are called out. But If they still want to kill CI then we'll keep the list. Edited March 15, 2022 by Cosmic The Italian 1 EX Head Of Staff SCP-RP | CI will forever be in my heart. 1/15/21 - 8/1/22 (CI CMDR Cosmic ITLY) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueidk Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Coltable said: We either remove the ability for dclass to attack CI, or we keep the list, if you decide to attack the one branch whos trying to help you on the server then its on "you" the player to deal with the consequences of your decision be that being placed on a list or what ever it be, you made that happen nobody else. If you dont want to be placed on a kos list for the safety of CI personnel then don't kill them, easy fix. -support what colt said Frfr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvist Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Coltable said: We either remove the ability for dclass to attack CI, or we keep the list, if you decide to attack the one branch whos trying to help you on the server then its on "you" the player to deal with the consequences of your decision be that being placed on a list or what ever it be, you made that happen nobody else. If you dont want to be placed on a kos list for the safety of CI personnel then don't kill them, easy fix. D-Class are not a unified branch. All types of people play it for different reasons and motivations, and that is also true to what D-Class would reasonably be IC. Most D-Class do not attack CI because they understand that CI are rescuing them. However, there is always the chance that the deranged inmate that is locked up for dangerous, unethical testing might open fire on the people with big guns that look exactly like the other people with big guns that are keeping them captive. The unpredictability of D-Class is an issue that literally everybody has to deal with in an IC fashion besides CI. While we seem to be moving in a roleplay oriented direction, this is something that seems to tip the scales into a PVP direction. EDIT: In what world are we giving people consequences for playing the game, by the way? IC consequences are part of roleplay, sure, but OOC consequences? A player should be shot because of his Steam ID? No, a D-Class should be shot because he's prone to attack CI. Edited March 15, 2022 by Kvist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piller Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Cosmic The Italian said: We'll remove it if D-class can't attack CI anymore, the whole point of the list is to give us a change againts those d-class (you know I'm talking about you) that flag onto D-class whenever CI are called out. But If they still want to kill CI then we'll keep the list. I agree with Cosmic. I'm neither CI, or a D-Class main, but it's pretty obvious that this list should still be allowed for the safety of the CI operatives. And by claiming it's metagame, well it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to state that D-Class killing people there to save them should be FailRP. -Support SCP-RP Head of Staff | Ethics Committee Chairman Former Nu-7 VCMDR l Former GenSec CPT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domo775 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 -support y’all fucking suck so y’all get on a class that has no nlr (dclass) to kill ci then get mad once ci fight back???? 2 i’ve probably killed you more then once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Slim Nova Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Im stuck here +/- Support I think making it so D-Class cant attack CI. Its better off keeping the list in general. I had a sit about the KOS List too, just pure chaos. The picture explains what I am. [DATA EXPU-] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltable Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Kvist said: In what world are we giving people consequences for playing the game, by the way? Its a consequence to prevent players from abusing the "OH IM CRAZY IM GONNA STAND BEHIDE CI AND KILL THEM HA HA CRAZY" That sort of "Roleplay" as you've stated is totally fine but whats not okay is players who decide to abuse it and THOSE players are the ones who get on the KOS list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Slim Nova Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 But in general, Im leaning towards +Support The picture explains what I am. [DATA EXPU-] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coltable Posted March 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2022 Denied. The SCP-RP SMT has decided against adding this suggestion for performance reasons, the benefit to the server, or another unstated reason. 1 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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