Zombinator Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 What are you suggesting? - Changing the GENSEC SOP to indicate that if three GENSEC are present at the Class-D cell block and one of them is of sufficient rank to escort then they are *required* to provide an escort for Research. Currently the GENSEC SOP lists providing an escort as the #2 priority in their Primary Main Security Assignments right behind securing D-Block. The GENSEC SOP states "Security will NOT give Researchers escorts when D-Block is in peril (3 Security or less in D-Block)." Research SOP states "Always make sure when you're taking people as an escort it is ok with their higher-ups as D block needs a lot of attention. " I would like to see the wording clarified in both SOPs to reflect that an Escort *MUST* be supplied if the proper code is met, the required three GENSEC are present and there is an escort of sufficient rank to participate.How would this change better the server? - The Foundation has an all-important mission of studying anomalous entities for the good of mankind. Containing is a secondary mission as The Foundation risks containment breaches to research at all. The goal of The Foundation is to learn to exploit anomalous entities to protect humanity from not only the known threats but the unknown and future horrors all around us. The extra-dimensional influences, temporal entities and even extra-terrestrial enemies that we don't even know about yet are the paramount motivator to perform research. To this end, Research is the first and foremost concern to The Foundation. I believe reflecting the importance of Research will not only provide a more authentic and immersive environment, it will minimize riots by providing more roleplay incentive to Class-Ds, it will minimize breaches by providing more roleplay incentive to SCPs and it will minimize Chaos Insurgency raids by minimizing the number of Class-Ds that get bored enough to want to leave or simply view the server as having nothing else to do but escape to become CI. Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - When three GENSEC are present there will no longer be the option for the senior-ranking guard to tell a Researcher to simply buzz off. This could result in GENSEC feeling like more of a service job than the end-all be-all authority in all matters concerning Research. This change may also cause a few more Class-D to escape past the guards, though this is a small price to pay when gambling for the next scientific breakthrough to protect our dimension. Who would this change mostly benefit? - Researchers, Class-Ds, SCPs and maybe a few bored GENSEC 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripjaw56789 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 -support Where to start - I have seen 15+ Gensec get fucked over by a a few D Class CC, so while it may seem perfect to have atleast 3 gensec present to provide escorts, its not ideal, the NCO/Officer in D Block will decide if its been safe enough to send an escort - Gensec is supposed to handle security of D Block so them telling a researcher to "Buzz off" has a reason to it, there not a service job whatsoever they are a fighting force that is equipped to handle D Block and low level attacks and hold out so reinforcements can arrive as needed - Any class D escaping past guards could lead to: SCP Breaches, Good guns equipped to D Class, kidnapped foundation, compromised gates from escape, and a pain for MTF who have better things to worry about such as: Feeding SCPs and Chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Apple Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 -Support for this as stated + Support for adding a rule stating they must escort research when above a certain code and sec count [Just Apple I Suppose] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beepis Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 -Support I can just picture a Jr. NCO and 2 OFC's facing 10+ Dclass while the others are either dead or providing an escort Retired E-11Captain Beepis 3R7H "It takes many good deeds to build a good reputation, and only one bad one to lose it" -Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_krew10 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Zombinator said: if three GENSEC are present at the Class-D cell block and one of them is of sufficient rank to escort then they are *required* to provide an escort for Research. I'm sorry man but this means that there will be two people left in d-block while one is escorting. All it takes is one crouch spamming noah lee to clear d-block. 3 is BARELY enough to keep d-block. There's always MTF or RIS units. -supp Retired SEC HFTO COL akrew10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Boi Sawrunner Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 I just hate having to get escorts in general. Its not as if a lot of us cant handle a d class in cuffs. Wish a certain rank high enough could just go without the need for one. Cuts out a lot of redundancy. But when gensec deny you for an escort, ask an RIS unit to hop on or go dick around with the items 1 Daddy D Boi |Previously CI SGM XB1 and RAM|Formerly Agent Starboi| CCs: Frank West | Doctor Samuel Hayden | Solid Snake | CI Recon Force | Drip Hank Hill | The O7 Bois (Owner of Sunsetters) The Femboi With The Fubar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprink Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 21 hours ago, Beepis said: -Support I can just picture a Jr. NCO and 2 OFC's facing 10+ Dclass while the others are either dead or providing an escort Deputy Head of Security | Executive Event Team | Admin | Forum Diplomat | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domino Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 22 hours ago, ripjaw56789 said: -support Where to start - I have seen 15+ Gensec get fucked over by a a few D Class CC, so while it may seem perfect to have atleast 3 gensec present to provide escorts, its not ideal, the NCO/Officer in D Block will decide if its been safe enough to send an escort - Gensec is supposed to handle security of D Block so them telling a researcher to "Buzz off" has a reason to it, there not a service job whatsoever they are a fighting force that is equipped to handle D Block and low level attacks and hold out so reinforcements can arrive as needed - Any class D escaping past guards could lead to: SCP Breaches, Good guns equipped to D Class, kidnapped foundation, compromised gates from escape, and a pain for MTF who have better things to worry about such as: Feeding SCPs and Chaos -Support "What do you mean, i cant murder you..." " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandtoad Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 23 hours ago, ripjaw56789 said: -support Where to start - I have seen 15+ Gensec get fucked over by a a few D Class CC, so while it may seem perfect to have atleast 3 gensec present to provide escorts, its not ideal, the NCO/Officer in D Block will decide if its been safe enough to send an escort - Gensec is supposed to handle security of D Block so them telling a researcher to "Buzz off" has a reason to it, there not a service job whatsoever they are a fighting force that is equipped to handle D Block and low level attacks and hold out so reinforcements can arrive as needed - Any class D escaping past guards could lead to: SCP Breaches, Good guns equipped to D Class, kidnapped foundation, compromised gates from escape, and a pain for MTF who have better things to worry about such as: Feeding SCPs and Chaos THE BEST AMPHIBIAN Custom Classes | Cybernetic Protective Unit Owner | A Normal D-Class Owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack S Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 23 hours ago, Beepis said: -Support I can just picture a Jr. NCO and 2 OFC's facing 10+ Dclass while the others are either dead or providing an escort Retired DHOS || Former Wardens Comissioner Caligula || Former SRIC in R&D || Former OH8 Funni [Redacted] Man | | Retired OPSV in Maintenance || Former MMF Duck || Former HLPR Bot AC3 || Retired 2LT in E-11 || Former Head Field Scout || Former Ranger Pax || former ET || Former Omicron-9 CPT || Former OM9 EXP Delta | PoliceRP: PD LCPL | SCU LT "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard. " -John F Kennedy, Rice University, Sept. 12, 1962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Fox Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 -support d block is a wild place, ya cant just say "if they have more than 3 they have to give a escort" every situation is different. The best D class player to ever exist UwU >:3 Security best branch Owns: D-3621 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Payton | [GL] Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 -support Reason: Shouldnt be required due to the fact that if there are 20+ d class at upper and only 3 gensec and 1 has to leave for a escort the 2 will get over ran within the time it takes to get out the door to be a aescort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piller Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/23/2021 at 9:17 PM, Beepis said: -Support I can just picture a Jr. NCO and 2 OFC's facing 10+ Dclass while the others are either dead or providing an escort SCP-RP Head of Staff | Ethics Committee Chairman Former Nu-7 VCMDR l Former GenSec CPT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightsoil Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Security most often will not provide escorts for research tests because opportunities arise at suboptimal times. Regardless of what you may believe, 3+ combatants in D-Block does not mean the defense is impenetrable, and if you ask me, 3 as a minimum is TOO low (only leaving 2 forces in D-Block is a huge risk). We realize that you may want to get tests done but we have a job, and this is primarily containing D-Block riots to just that, D-Block. If we can't even ensure D-Block won't be overrun in the next minute, how can we provide you an escort?-Support 15/4/2021 - 17/8/2021 Former: GENSEC MAJ | Nu-7 SM | RRH Guardian - Kilo 16 | Senior Moderator | Event Team Member | Support 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprink Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/23/2021 at 8:34 PM, The Apple said: -Support for this as stated + Support for adding a rule stating they must escort research when above a certain code and sec count The second part is already a thing in the Sec SOP. It’s 5+ for escorts and even then the NCO/Command member can decide not to give one out. Deputy Head of Security | Executive Event Team | Admin | Forum Diplomat | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former DHOR D Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Howdy, I want it known that I will be talking here on behalf of two of my lives. As a prominent member of the Reznovs, leading various riots, some even ending in full lockdowns, I can confirm that somethings mg as simple as Three D-Class with Pistols are able to fend off hordes of NCOs and Enlisted. I don’t think this would be a good idea since it will quite literally make my job of breaking out easier since there’s no competition when half the enlisted were forced to follow a Junior Researcher which Twelve Levels on the server who grabbed a D-Class for 173 with the test idea being if “SCP-173 and the D-Class can be friends”. secondly, as the DHOR, Neither me, my Low Command, Senior Command or the Head Of Research knew this suggestion would be posted. Next time, if you plan on making a rather drastic post on the forums, talk to Research and Security Command to attempt to work the situation out with us. Overall, - Support DHOR D; RRH Analyst Lima-3; Sarkic Archon General; Former-Omicron-9 2LT Saw; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Slim Nova Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 No. As a SM in GenSec we already have a horrible time holding down D-Block during most times. Researchers walking in, and asking for escorts at 3:00 AM in the morning, when 500 D-Class are on, and 2 GENSEC. Like D said, Pistols can take down half of D-Block, if used correctly. -SUPPORT The picture explains what I am. [DATA EXPU-] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixx Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/23/2021 at 8:22 PM, ripjaw56789 said: -support Where to start - I have seen 15+ Gensec get fucked over by a a few D Class CC, so while it may seem perfect to have atleast 3 gensec present to provide escorts, its not ideal, the NCO/Officer in D Block will decide if its been safe enough to send an escort - Gensec is supposed to handle security of D Block so them telling a researcher to "Buzz off" has a reason to it, there not a service job whatsoever they are a fighting force that is equipped to handle D Block and low level attacks and hold out so reinforcements can arrive as needed - Any class D escaping past guards could lead to: SCP Breaches, Good guns equipped to D Class, kidnapped foundation, compromised gates from escape, and a pain for MTF who have better things to worry about such as: Feeding SCPs and Chaos [ SCP RP ] Director of Research & Security || Armored Shield Award Winner || First Head Warden & HOPO || Security Artillery Unit || D-7025 || D-Class High Council || Former Head of Security || Former Admin || Former Event Team Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief_ Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/23/2021 at 9:17 PM, Beepis said: -Support I can just picture a Jr. NCO and 2 OFC's facing 10+ Dclass while the others are either dead or providing an escort I can picture much worse. Head Admin SCP-RP || Event Team Overseer || Ethics Committee || Ex Security FTO 1LT || Ex Security Warden || Ex CI R&D Senior Agent || UMC Guest [LVL 0] || Former Research Researcher || Former DORSU || Former DOC || Former LCZ Manager || I aM sPeCiAl || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvist Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 MAJOR -SUPPORT No matter how hard you try, rules cannot take the place of roleplay without major detriment to the server's quality. There are too many variables at play here in D-Block to make a rule that essentially says If A, Then B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueidk Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 On 7/23/2021 at 6:17 PM, Beepis said: -Support I can just picture a Jr. NCO and 2 OFC's facing 10+ Dclass while the others are either dead or providing an escort Frfr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltable Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Denied. The SCP-RP SMT has decided against adding this suggestion for performance reasons, the benefit to the server, or another unstated reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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