Nerf the shotguns - Denied

[PandaInShitpostLand]

Post name: “General Suggestion - Nerf the shotguns

 

What are you suggesting? - Nerfing the shotguns in a way that doesn't hinder performance up close (which should be where shotguns are used) but it's medium/long range capabilitys. Add a hefty damage drop on all shotguns, so at medium and long range shotguns do  much less damage than close, even if most of the pellets connect. At close or close-medium the shotgun preforms the same. But adding an effective range via damage drop will need shotguns while keeping all party's happy

 

How would this change better the server? - allow people to not be sprayed down by shotguns at a range

 

Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - people won't like this nerf. But its kinda needed

 

Who would this change mostly benefit? - CI/D-class (the ones facing shotguns at range most)

 

Please link any workshop content, screenshots, or anything that you think may be helpful to those who view this suggestion -D A M A G E D R O P

 

 

Edited December 18, 2020 by Panda0Playz
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[Disgraced Merchant]

+support

Shotguns that can shoot people from a mile away META needs to be put to rest

[Squash]

+/-Support

Whilst I do agree they need a nerf, what would the next meta be for guns? Assault rifles would require a buff as well, while SMGs might be good. The jobs that would become the strongest, are those that spawn with naturally good SMGs or Rifles, since most Rifles in the shop or SMGs are not too good.

Also to fix the long range issue, just make the bullet spread wider for shotguns.

[Yato Sensei]

- Support
With the map update, they nerfed the spread of shotguns, they aren't snipers anymore. I've found that some shotguns now actually are a bit underwhelming and we don't need another nerf to them.

[Rito]

-Support

-While shotguns can shoot from ridiculously far, most of them are already obsolete, there are about only 2-3 shotguns that are usable. And that's pretty much the only thing that is actually good about some shotguns. Also, most shotguns already have a lot of spread. This is just gonna make shotguns another bad weapon

4 hours ago, Yato Sensei said:

- Support
With the map update, they nerfed the spread of shotguns, they aren't snipers anymore. I've found that some shotguns now actually are a bit underwhelming and we don't need another nerf to them.

More reasons above

Edited December 18, 2020 by vSquishyv

[PandaInShitpostLand]

6 hours ago, Squash said:

+/-Support

Whilst I do agree they need a nerf, what would the next meta be for guns? Assault rifles would require a buff as well, while SMGs might be good. The jobs that would become the strongest, are those that spawn with naturally good SMGs or Rifles, since most Rifles in the shop or SMGs are not too good.

Also to fix the long range issue, just make the bullet spread wider for shotguns.

the PP-Bison is one of the best smgs AND its in the armory.
Assault rifles fucking suck.
oh also the new meta would be negevs. but thats still the meta.
 

 

16 minutes ago, vSquishyv said:

-Support

-While shotguns can shoot from ridiculously far, most of them are already obsolete, there are about only 2-3 shotguns that are usable. And that's pretty much the only thing that is actually good about some shotguns. Also, most shotguns already have a lot of spread. This is just gonna make shotguns another bad weapon

More reasons above

And its true, only (maybe) the XM, Mossberg, Remington, and Sawed Off are usable. but still powerful. 

PS: i didn't know the nerfed shotguns this map change but it still kills me from incredibly far

[Rito]

2 minutes ago, Panda0Playz said:

the PP-Bison is one of the best smgs AND its in the armory.
Assault rifles fucking suck.
oh also the new meta would be negevs. but thats still the meta.
 

 

And its true, only (maybe) the XM, Mossberg, Remington, and Sawed Off are usable. but still powerful. 

Then, I'd suggest only nerfing the remington and the XM spread instead, because the Sawed Off and the mossberg already has Huge spread. Is that a good idea?

Edited December 18, 2020 by vSquishyv

[PandaInShitpostLand]

1 minute ago, vSquishyv said:

Then, I'd suggest only nerfing the remington and the XM spread instead, because the Sawed Off and the mossberg already has Huge spread. Is that a good idea?

indeed

also  maybe the Bellini spread

[a frog]

22 minutes ago, vSquishyv said:

Then, I'd suggest only nerfing the remington and the XM spread instead, because the Sawed Off and the mossberg already has Huge spread. Is that a good idea?

I get the xm cause its a auto shotgun but dont you fucking touch the remington cause its the only good shotgun besides the mossberg on the store

Edited December 18, 2020 by frog

[ZJ]

-support, we can hardly hold d-block as is, as of right now its balanced and fair. We retake it because of riot control.

[PandaInShitpostLand]

26 minutes ago, ZJ said:

-support, we can hardly hold d-block as is, as of right now its balanced and fair. We retake it because of riot control.

I understand. However 

1. The nerf I'm asking is to ADD DAMAGE DROP. riot control function in close spaces. THIS WOULD NOT AFFECT THEM. Adding more spread will would not either. As riot control FUNCTION IN CLOSE SPACES. IM A MSGT I KNOW.

2. The world does not revolve around security, I will admit that this is mainly a d-block thing, But it will nerf shotguns in general. This will affect all CC's and other jobs with shotguns.

PS: the double barrel and ithica should have a very low damage drop compared to others

 

[Bread]

TFA does not allow proper dropoff. It only drops to half damage.

[J0LT]

-support

use them if they so good

[[GL] Zeus]

-support on the nerf

 However a good solution would be an AR buff cause currently they are unusable

[Kodaㅤ]

5 hours ago, [GL] Zeus said:

-support on the nerf

 However a good solution would be an AR buff cause currently they are unusable

 

[WantedIdeas]

This suggestion is a thing because I sniped down a lot of d-class in D-block with a shotgun

Anyways,

On 12/18/2020 at 11:58 AM, Yato Sensei said:

- Support
With the map update, they nerfed the spread of shotguns, they aren't snipers anymore. I've found that some shotguns now actually are a bit underwhelming and we don't need another nerf to them.

 

[Eem]

-support

 

As you said, this will benefit d class, but it will also nerf the shit out of Juggs. They have no ranged weapons and novas are the best choice for long range, the second one is CZ-75, which doesn't make much damage.

 

Some D-class CCs do have the shotgun they can use, but those CCs also have weapons like AKs, snipers, etc.

 

And also Riot Control, they have an XM, which is not very good at a range, but nerfing it further, given the new map would just make them seriously weak against any snipers.

[Your Local Soviet]

+/-Support

Yes to the XM, and no to everything else.

[NeoID]

On 12/18/2020 at 9:43 AM, vSquishyv said:

-Support

-While shotguns can shoot from ridiculously far, most of them are already obsolete, there are about only 2-3 shotguns that are usable. And that's pretty much the only thing that is actually good about some shotguns. Also, most shotguns already have a lot of spread. This is just gonna make shotguns another bad weapon

More reasons above

 

[Igneous]

On 12/18/2020 at 7:13 PM, Bread said:

TFA does not allow proper dropoff. It only drops to half damage.

 

[Igneous]

Denied. The SCP-RP SMT has decided against adding this suggestion for performance reasons, the benefit to the server, or another unstated reason.