Player Report - CI SGT Lee, CI CPL Fallout XA24

[MattOminigo3]

Your in game name: MTF Nu7 CMDR MattO XZ20

Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:454590224

The player's in game name: CI SGT Lee, CI CPL Fallout XA24

The player's steam ID (required): CI SGT Lee:  STEAM_0:1:68422312 , CI CPL Fallout XA24:  STEAM_0:0:79678088

Date and Time This Incident Occurred: 11/13/20 2:27AM UK time, 21:27 EST

What did the player do: Metagame. See video for evidence. 682 was in CI hands and was missing for a while so I was trying to see if CI had him. I waited for the door to open and walked by them but they used my level to metagame that I was there. They proceeded to be cautious and eventually forcefully walked directly into me when I was in the middle of a room and called thermals.

Evidence (required):   Part 1:  https://streamable.com/32ajov   Part 2: https://streamable.com/8rdzsb  Part 3: https://streamable.com/10yijf

What do you believe should happen to the player: A Metagame warn for both.

Any extra information:

[Comrade Boekhom]

Its kinda iffy, there are parts where it looks like they are intentionally walking into you, while trying to play it off in kind of a bad way,  but others COULD be reasonable while just eh

im at a +/- support 

leaning to +Support

[General bacon]

+support 
Lets walk like we are drunk so we can bump into the floating level

[Sixx]

+Support

Looking at the first clip alone, you didn't bump into them or anything to cause them to raise concern however it looks like they saw your level and metagamed off that. This looks like clear metagame to me.

[Lee]

Let me explain I heard someone outside and I didn’t know it was you or some infli walked out there.Then I asked was there anyone outside in CI COMM but no one answer. So I assume there must be enemy clocked unit around our base.  I actually I bumped into something outside before then but not sure it was you or one of us and plus I didn’t bumped into you by looking at your level but it may look like that So I won’t say much. Since no one answered me that’s why I be more alert and tell my teammate that might be clocked unit around and the enemy might be in the base that’s why I walked around crazy like that and bumped into you. I think that part I walked around like that is still my fault because I forgot I can’t intent to bump clocked unit like that. I accept any punishment you would give to me because it’s still my fault of walking around part.

Edited November 14, 2020 by Lee

[Echo Romeo]

25 minutes ago, General bacon said:

+support 
Lets walk like we are drunk so we can bump into the floating level

 

22 minutes ago, Sixx said:

+Support

Looking at the first clip alone, you didn't bump into them or anything to cause them to raise concern however it looks like they saw your level and metagamed off that. This looks like clear metagame to me.

 

[Hope]

Both members of CI has been talked to regarding about this incident, which they will be punished accordingly.  It seems like it was a misunderstanding of the rules from Lee's side . When I confronted Lee about this incident, he told me that he heard footsteps about the stealth operative and called out suspicious foot steps in TS,  but he forgot about rule 9, under foundation staff section of the MOTD. Hence, why he was running around frantically, trying to bump into that infiltrator. 

However to be fair to everyone else, warnings would suffice. 

Edited November 14, 2020 by Hope

[OWNED]

1 hour ago, Sixx said:

+Support

Looking at the first clip alone, you didn't bump into them or anything to cause them to raise concern however it looks like they saw your level and metagamed off that. This looks like clear metagame to me.

 

[Kami- Amaterasu]

+/- Support

From what i see from the first clip. The Two CI had heard the footsteps (Which isn't meta to call thermals from that)  Because neither of them were moving when you walked in. At the same time after you enter they did seemingly purposely walking into you.  But either way from that First clip, where they heard you walk in, I could say that they could had called thermals at that time.

[Jack S]

2 minutes ago, Kami- Amaterasu said:

+/- Support

From what i see from the first clip. The Two CI had heard the footsteps (Which isn't meta to call thermals from that)  Because neither of them were moving when you walked in. At the same time after you enter they did seemingly purposely walking into you.  But either way from that First clip, where they heard you walk in, I could say that they could had called thermals at that time.

 

[Squash]

2 hours ago, Sixx said:

+Support

Looking at the first clip alone, you didn't bump into them or anything to cause them to raise concern however it looks like they saw your level and metagamed off that. This looks like clear metagame to me.

 

[Some Weeb]

+support for fallout being Warned 

+support for Lee getting a verbal warn 

[Jack (utility one)]

+support
idk if hearing footsteps would be considered a reason to call thermals. The ONLY reason why I say that is because the only way not to create those sounds is by crouching, just like going up a latter those noises are impossible not to create and would just ruin a lot of people fun. As it won't be hard for anyone to call thermals than. Also it's very obvious he tried to bump into him so yea those are just gimmies.

[BadAim]

+support

Both see your level as you walk by, and stare you down and then forget about leaving base so they can try and find some way to call thermals. Pretty obvious meta game.

[Altair]

+support

okay so  yeah i guess they should of ignored you  thats meta  but something i'd iike to point out which is the movement on gmod is deleyed which means if you move on your screen you reach the area instantly  on their screen you it takes them 1-2 seconds to see your player beginning to move the guy who walked into you starting walking before you started walking on his screen so you both bumped into each other same for you he moved before you within 1-2 seconds  so you both moved exactly at the same time  thats for the first time/second time  he bumped into you  and the second time inside when he tried to walk past the barracide in the middle(first bump only)  the rest i feel like it was intentionally tbh i don't know fallout might deserve a warn since he alerted the situation in  ingame voice chat and kept going/ looking at your level but lee was wrong to assist him in it instead of saying *I know its a cloaked unit but we should keep moving *m anyways it might of been wrong to turn back chasing you anyway  m and yeah they both tried to intentionally bump into you at second/third clip

[Some Weeb]

4 hours ago, Tweety said:

+support

okay so  yeah i guess they should of ignored you  thats meta  but something i'd iike to point out which is the movement on gmod is deleyed which means if you move on your screen you reach the area instantly  on their screen you it takes them 1-2 seconds to see your player beginning to move the guy who walked into you starting walking before you started walking on his screen so you both bumped into each other same for you he moved before you within 1-2 seconds  so you both moved exactly at the same time  thats for the first time/second time  he bumped into you  and the second time inside when he tried to walk past the barracide in the middle(first bump only)  the rest i feel like it was intentionally tbh i don't know fallout might deserve a warn since he alerted the situation in  ingame voice chat and kept going/ looking at your level but lee was wrong to assist him in it instead of saying *I know its a cloaked unit but we should keep moving *m anyways it might of been wrong to turn back chasing you anyway  m and yeah they both tried to intentionally bump into you at second/third clip

:() 

is that true if so -support 

[Eaten]

+Support

I have not seen someone use footsteps as a reason to call thermals, at least when I play on stealth op that has never happened. In the clips you can see them realize that you are there, and try to run around to find a valid reason to find you. In the second clip when you were crouching they both looked down and obviously saw your level.

[Sienna]

+Support

[Rektify]

On 11/13/2020 at 9:57 PM, Kami- Amaterasu said:

From what i see from the first clip. The Two CI had heard the footsteps (Which isn't meta to call thermals from that)  Because neither of them were moving when you walked in. At the same time after you enter they did seemingly purposely walking into you.  But either way from that First clip, where they heard you walk in, I could say that they could had called thermals at that time.

While you are correct that it isn't meta to call thermals from hearing footsteps, it depends on the situation. I will now quote Rookieblue: 

"In very specific circumstances, yes. Have to be in doors, not moving, any allied person not moving, and hear footsteps." -Rookieblue

From what I see, they were walking while Matto was walking as well, which means that any footstep excuses made is pretty much void now. While they have been spoken to by CI command, as stated by Hope, a warning should still be given. 

+Support

[Rookieblue]

Accepted

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