limit the amount of MTF allowed to enter D-Block/LCZ - Denied

[pixalgamer99]

Well +support as a person who likes too play on D class I know when there is 3 or more MTF and a lot of gensec the rioting stops but what I would like too bring up is making it a rule so MTF can’t enter D block and can’t camp one room to try and stop D class that way they don’t just camp the hallway right outside of D block and they don’t generally camp and they do there job in other places

[Gh0pit]

this suggestion is gonna get spicy, +support, i remember back in the day mtf couldnt go into d block at all on defcon 4/5.

[Kindred]

On 11/8/2020 at 9:59 AM, Sixx said:

-Support

How is GenSec suppose to keep D-Block under control when we host PTs/Off-Meetings/Main Meetings? I personally try to kick MTF out if LCZ when there during nothing during a Defcon 4 and 5 but for other defcons this will do more harm then good. Less MTF to D-Block means D-Class could take it easier and ruin the RP of multiple branches while it is lost. Its not ment to be easy to escape D-Block after all.

 

On 11/9/2020 at 12:03 PM, Mind Stone said:

-Support

Personally, I only allow MTF in if D Block is truly having a tuff time and we need assistance. I would say the real issue is the amount of time security call those protocols. As DHOS (and D Class CC lol), I will investigate this further and put a stop to that real quick.

The two quotes above really say it all since they have overall the most experience on this matter. 

GENSEC have jurisdiction over MTF when it comes to D-Block, if they don't want us there no matter the rank then we will not go there or we will leave. If there are Nu-7 operatives stepping on GENSEC's toes then they will answer to me.

 

MTF should not be in D-Block for no reason. The conditions for entering D-Block are as followed:

- Class-D have overrun D-Block .

- OMI9 or Nu-7 was requested to D-Block.

- OMI9 or Nu-7 asked the highest ranking GENSEC if they need help and they agreed.

 

OMI9 are the first responders when it comes to D-Block. Class-D are already very strong and they can overwhelm Security Personnel easily (You guys don't have NLR). 

You say you want a fighting chance but you're prisoners. You're not CI, you're not Sarkic. The single purpose of Class-D are to be disposable resources to the foundation, whether that's feeding or testing, nothing more than that.

Class-D have the scoped revolver that two shots Special Forces in the head, and you want to add on to that why? 

 

-SUPPORT

Edited November 12, 2020 by Kindred

[PandaInShitpostLand]

1 hour ago, Kindred said:

 

The two quotes above really say it all since they have overall the most experience on this matter. 

GENSEC have jurisdiction over MTF when it comes to D-Block, if they don't want us there no matter the rank then we will not go there or we will leave. If there are Nu-7 operatives stepping on GENSEC's toes then they will answer to me.

 

MTF should not be in D-Block for no reason. The conditions for entering D-Block are as followed:

- Class-D have overrun D-Block .

- OMI9 or Nu-7 was requested to D-Block.

- OMI9 or Nu-7 asked the highest ranking GENSEC if they need help and they agreed.

 

OMI9 are the first responders when it comes to D-Block. Class-D are already very strong and they can overwhelm Security Personnel easily (You guys don't have NLR). 

You say you want a fighting chance but you're prisoners. You're not CI, you're not Sarkic. The single purpose of Class-D are to be disposable resources to the foundation, whether that's feeding or testing, nothing more than that.

Class-D have the scoped revolver that two shots Special Forces in the head, and you want to add on to that why? 

 

-SUPPORT

i see your points, and im here to counterattack
"- Class-D have overrun D-Block ." well i guess this is valid, however when holding d-block all the mtf who retook it should leave except a few
"- OMI9 or Nu-7 was requested to D-Block." if they are requested i stand by my point of only allowing 5 on low pops, and 2 on high pops
"- OMI9 or Nu-7 asked the highest ranking GENSEC if they need help and they agreed." ^^^ same reasoning
"Class-D are already very strong and they can overwhelm Security Personnel easily (You guys don't have NLR)."CC's have a minute nlr but i see where your coming from this
"Class-D are to be disposable resources to the foundation, whether that's feeding or testing, nothing more than that." D-Class are human players, seems obvious, we want to have fun, but when all riots are halted for 30 minutes because 6 mtf come to d-block on high pop, let the gensec regroup, and now we have no chance, that isn't fun, we have pistols and knives, you have kevlar, umps, shotguns (That are overpowered and i think they should be nerfed) Snipers and assault rifles, you also have the numbers advantage (Usually) in the end its movement based and based on the skill of the player, and most d-class are skilled.
 

[[GL] Dtscalice]

+/-

Ok so I understand that D block can be hard to retake and that Riots are halted for a long time because MTF are in D Block but I'm gonna start with the cons of limiting MTF first

Cons:

If Gensec are Down for a while and cannot retake D Block Research Almost or just plainly cannot do anything at all.

Medical Research Can do a little but not a lot

Field Medics (Though they do be inactive) Would be able to do their job but would most likely be unable to reach the Station or anywhere without being attacked.

Medbay would have a Problem and Gensec would probably be Stretched very thin because of all the Places D class could be and they would have to send out patrols or have wardens being very Active.

Gensec would probably Be less active since they wouldn't be able to retake D block

D Class (Not talking CCs Here) have no NLR so they can constantly rush and do a lot of damage

D Class CCs have less NLR then Gensec so they can Move out and attack Gensec Quicker than they can return

Gensec cant always Deal with SCPs and Limiting MTF to not be able to contain some of these SCPs would make Gensecs Job a Lot Harder

Pros

MTF wouldn't be just hanging out in LCZ for no reason (HCZ Patrols I would hope still exist)

D Class wouldn't just be Lined up "Like Lambs to the Slaughter"

D class would be able to get In LCZ easier??

D class would become more Active

Gensec Would have to think of other ways to deal with losing D block and Taking down Riots

Other Branches would get to Interact with D Class

(I'm trying really hard to think but ran out of Pros atm will add More when I'm not tired)

[[GL] Mike]

6 hours ago, Panda0Playz said:

i see your points, and im here to counterattack
"- Class-D have overrun D-Block ." well i guess this is valid, however when holding d-block all the mtf who retook it should leave except a few
"- OMI9 or Nu-7 was requested to D-Block." if they are requested i stand by my point of only allowing 5 on low pops, and 2 on high pops
"- OMI9 or Nu-7 asked the highest ranking GENSEC if they need help and they agreed." ^^^ same reasoning
"Class-D are already very strong and they can overwhelm Security Personnel easily (You guys don't have NLR)."CC's have a minute nlr but i see where your coming from this
"Class-D are to be disposable resources to the foundation, whether that's feeding or testing, nothing more than that." D-Class are human players, seems obvious, we want to have fun, but when all riots are halted for 30 minutes because 6 mtf come to d-block on high pop, let the gensec regroup, and now we have no chance, that isn't fun, we have pistols and knives, you have kevlar, umps, shotguns (That are overpowered and i think they should be nerfed) Snipers and assault rifles, you also have the numbers advantage (Usually) in the end its movement based and based on the skill of the player, and most d-class are skilled.
 

You gotta remember that losing D-Block hurts GENSEC, Research, MTF, and Utility (Even CI in some cases)

GENSEC = Their activity is based on holding D-Block if they all die constantly and can't gain D-Block back they get upset and wanna get off.

Research = Not only would GENSEC getting off hurt their escorts (^^^) not being able to hold D-Block hurts them badly as then they won't be able use D-Class for their tests.

MTF = D-Class getting out and breaching SCPs 24/7 is so unfun and I can tell you first hand that it can get so irritating Recontaining an SCP then they get breached by a D-Class 15 Minutes later.

Utility = They are non-combatants they can't do anything until attacked and 50% of the time by the time they can respond they would most likely be dead, Medical won't be able to open Medbay due to D-Class hurting them more and then they will constantly get killed trying to leave it open to get their RP in.

CI = Constant SCP breaches could ruin their raids easily and it also can make MTF, and GENSEC get off ruining the fun they get from killing people in a raid. It ruins their fun and can also ruin their raids if it gets under a certain amount of personnel.

[BOBBLE]

On 11/8/2020 at 5:46 PM, Surge said:

-support 

Gensec can lose Dblock for Hours on end if class D are rioting without stop or breaking the elavator to help them out, Removing MTF  meaning LCZ will be lost 24/7 

 

[Chief_]

-support

This is going ot give me flashbacks of when mtf couldn't enter d-block. And we litteraly LOST D-BLOCK FOR 5 HOURS STRAIGHT

[BadAim]

Please keep the number of replied that are not + or -supports to a minimum. If you would like to have a discussion with someone regarding this post please do so in PMs.

Edited November 13, 2020 by BadAim

[PandaInShitpostLand]

29 minutes ago, Chief_ said:

-support

This is going ot give me flashbacks of when mtf couldn't enter d-block. And we litteraly LOST D-BLOCK FOR 5 HOURS STRAIGHT

 

[Applegapple]

On 11/8/2020 at 9:59 AM, Sixx said:

-Support

How is GenSec suppose to keep D-Block under control when we host PTs/Off-Meetings/Main Meetings? I personally try to kick MTF out if LCZ when there during nothing during a Defcon 4 and 5 but for other defcons this will do more harm then good. Less MTF to D-Block means D-Class could take it easier and ruin the RP of multiple branches while it is lost. Its not ment to be easy to escape D-Block after all.

 

[Some Weeb]

/me thinks how GenSec say they always lose D block

/me remembers oh wait these images are very 1 sided as there was a FUCKING RIOT LAST NIGHT THAT WENT FOR 3 HRS 

-support 

just as Security has recently learned how to do  better d class must to USE THE OPPORTUNITIES GIVEN TO you go mining , don't blindly rush in a firing line , wait it out  or actually come up with a plan  

Dclass same as GenSec must adapt 

Edited November 13, 2020 by Dragin

[Kodaㅤ]

MTF only ever helps when GenSec needs help with Securing D-Block and restricting MTF from LCZ does not sound like a very good idea to me.

-Support

[Jack S]

On 11/9/2020 at 12:03 PM, Mind Stone said:

-Support

Personally, I only allow MTF in if D Block is truly having a tuff time and we need assistance. I would say the real issue is the amount of time security call those protocols. As DHOS (and D Class CC lol), I will investigate this further and put a stop to that real quick.

 

[HellsCobra]

MTF should only be called to D-Block in emergency situations which Security is unable to handle. If this is not the case, then the commanding officers of either branch should be kicking the MTF out of LCZ. If this isn't happening, then it's not a problem where a rule needs to be changed, it's a problem where the Commanding Officers need to pay more attention and put more effort into ensuring that is the case. I said this in another post, but I will say it again, this is suppose to be a super-max containment facility. It's not meant to be easy to escape, although D-Class escape to HCZ more than once on a daily basis and destroy Security in the process. I understand there's balance for gameplay purposes, but banning MTF due to the negligence of other MTF or their Commanding Officers seems unfair to everyone but D-Class. Your suggestion was already suppose to be the case, and managed by Commanding Officers. This is more of a situation where the Officers of both branches need to be reminded of their duties.

 

-Support

[Mary]

On 11/8/2020 at 9:32 PM, [GL] Zeus said:

I’m all for this cause right now, it’s partial lockdown and hands up every 3 mins for whole hours especially on off peak and with MTF it’s overkill. 
+Support 

 

[a frog]

+Support honestly it kind makes me cringe when i see about 10 gensec with even 4 mtf in there because gensec have decent guns but nu7 can just walk in there with a negev or any gun they want and just annihilate anything in d block cause d class have very low health and mtf is just over kill and if you say that mtf not going into d block is a bad thing just look at e11 who aren't even allowed into d block and we have been able to contain it just fine.

btw anyone saying that mtf are only allowed into d block for emergencys is total bull btw cause every day i at least see about 3 or 4 mtf in on defcon 4's and even 5's so if your saying they are allowed in on special occasions how about you make your rules Stricker so that if they do come in without a emergency they get punished harder instead of a slap on the fucking hand

[Ashh]

-Support I’m pretty sure Omni9 and Nu7 have rules about being at dblock on a Defcon 4 or 5 but idk about E11 sitting outside of dblock on a defcon 3

Edited November 21, 2020 by Not Ash

[a frog]

5 minutes ago, Not Ash said:

-Support I’m pretty sure Omni9 and Nu7 have rules about being at dblock on a Defcon 4 or 5 but idk about E11

e11 arent allowed into d block

[Ashh]

1 minute ago, frog said:

e11 arent allowed into d block

No i mean like sit outside of dblock

 

[a frog]

1 minute ago, Not Ash said:

No i mean like sit outside of dblock

 

only on defcon 3's or below

 

[Altair]

Look if gensec go down Nu7 help if they fail omi9 if they fall e11 comes in if they fall  eventteam will make an event to destroy D-class  gensec got a strong buff the status might be low like 100>125 hp but the 25 hp makes a huge difference they can survive a knife they survive against alot of guns unlike before they first made a knife even a thomson contender shot so gensec is already good for now ontop of that they have the entire MTF on us Chaos insurgency is useless at moment they can't survive for no longer then 2 mintues due to the mass number of foundation and their latest branch buffs hopefully they get some attention soon mass raid? send an explosive spec to wipe them out at the checkpoint windows

Edited November 22, 2020 by Tweety

[Echo Romeo]

On 11/21/2020 at 7:54 PM, Tweety said:

Look if gensec go down Nu7 help if they fail omi9 if they fall e11 comes in if they fall  eventteam will make an event to destroy D-class  gensec got a strong buff the status might be low like 100>125 hp but the 25 hp makes a huge difference they can survive a knife they survive against alot of guns unlike before they first made a knife even a thomson contender shot so gensec is already good for now ontop of that they have the entire MTF on us Chaos insurgency is useless at moment they can't survive for no longer then 2 mintues due to the mass number of foundation and their latest branch buffs hopefully they get some attention soon mass raid? send an explosive spec to wipe them out at the checkpoint windows

Nu7 Go after Omi9

[Igneous]

On 11/9/2020 at 6:59 AM, Phillers said:

if we restrict them from D-Block, they will setup a firing line outside of it. Restrict them from LCZ, and there will be a firing line at the HCZ Checkpoints. 
This will only move the line back, and in doing so make GenSec's life a lot harder, and by Proxy fuck over Maintenance/Medical/Research aswell.

Well said

[Igneous]

Denied. The SCP-RP SMT has decided against adding this suggestion for performance reasons, the benefit to the server, or another unstated reason.