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Alex Mish warn appeal- Accepted


Elise Sierra

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Your In-game: Madam President 

Your SteamID: STEAM_1:1:167244777

 

The admin's name in-game: Veria

 

The admin's steam name (If you know it):Alex Mish

 

What warning did you receive: FailRP

 

Evidence of the warn (REQUIRED): PRz09rO.png

 

Why do you think this warn was false:
I carjacked as a citizen (adverted /carjack), the car was unlocked and I took it FROM across spawn TO car dealer, I got called in a sit and was explained I can't do that. I got warned directly after explaining that, even though the person I carjacked said it's fine and just want me to be informed on the rules.

No where in the MOTD, job menu or anywhere says that I can't do that, which is why I wasn't aware and had no idea it wasn't allowed. I find a warn excessive and I should've just gotten a verbal warning and informed on it.

In addition, it should be added in the MOTD that it isn't allowed.

Any extra information:
I would like to add that I found this report 

The admin ruled that citizens can commit crime (raid)

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3 hours ago, Alex Raddish said:

Citizens cannot raid/mug/carjack

Citizens dont have any reason why they can't do anything a crim does. Also if Im not mistaken I remember being told by a Senior Admin that they asked SMT this a year or two ago and the management at the time said Citizens can do anything.

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No rule in MOTD says citizens can't do crime. 

4 minutes ago, Sion said:

-support 

You can't steal cars from car dealer

He took it from spawn, not car dealer.

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+ Support 

Staff have always put the idea in thier head that it's not allowed but infact it is. A citizen may cause any amount of crime according to Snar (old manager) back in the day. Staff just assume its not allowed. 

 

Would be nice to clear up. 

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7 hours ago, EternityAgar said:

+ Support 

Staff have always put the idea in thier head that it's not allowed but infact it is. A citizen may cause any amount of crime according to Snar (old manager) back in the day. Staff just assume its not allowed. 

 

Would be nice to clear up. 

 

                       

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10 hours ago, EternityAgar said:

+ Support 

Staff have always put the idea in thier head that it's not allowed but infact it is. A citizen may cause any amount of crime according to Snar (old manager) back in the day. Staff just assume its not allowed. 

 

Would be nice to clear up. 

 

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Sorry didn't see this until today. The warning for FailRP was for the reason that you did not advert. In this sit I stated that you will be receiving one warn for Failrp however you also could receive another for carjacking as a citizen. That clearly was false judgement, but the official warn that you are appealing here is valid.

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5 minutes ago, Alex Veira said:

Sorry didn't see this until today. The warning for FailRP was for the reason that you did not advert. I believe in this sit I stated that you will be receiving one warn for Failrp however you also could receive another for carjacking as a citizen. That clearly was false judgement but the official warn is valid.

-Support since you did not advert carjack, was not really focused on being a citizen doing crime

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18 minutes ago, Alex Veira said:

Sorry didn't see this until today. The warning for FailRP was for the reason that you did not advert. In this sit I stated that you will be receiving one warn for Failrp however you also could receive another for carjacking as a citizen. That clearly was false judgement, but the official warn that you are appealing here is valid.

-support

failed to advert carjack

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The whole sit was based on Failrp, the fact that you did not advert. I'm almost positive that the victim even stated that himself in the comment of the report. The victim uploaded a video clearly showing me 45 seconds prior to anyone stealing his car to his car being stolen with no adverts. I also double checked by going through logs/chat. the part where I even brought up that you couldn't carjack as a citizen was later in the sit after you were warned. 

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11 minutes ago, Elise Sierra said:

Can I see the video

If you remember the person who reported you, either you or I can contact him for it. I don't know his name. At the end of the day like I said I claimed you broke two rules. I warned you for the one that I knew was definitely a valid warn, therefore your appealing a valid warn with the reasoning of a false claim that I made, not a false warn that I made.

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On 5/12/2020 at 4:13 AM, EternityAgar said:

+ Support 

Staff have always put the idea in thier head that it's not allowed but infact it is. A citizen may cause any amount of crime according to Snar (old manager) back in the day. Staff just assume its not allowed. 

 

Would be nice to clear up. 

 

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2 hours ago, Alex Veira said:

If you remember the person who reported you, either you or I can contact him for it. I don't know his name. At the end of the day like I said I claimed you broke two rules. I warned you for the one that I knew was definitely a valid warn, therefore your appealing a valid warn with the reasoning of a false claim that I made, not a false warn that I made.

Where was the video uploaded? I don't remember his name, but if it was on youtube or something you could check your search history.

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On 5/12/2020 at 4:13 AM, EternityAgar said:

+ Support 

Staff have always put the idea in thier head that it's not allowed but infact it is. A citizen may cause any amount of crime according to Snar (old manager) back in the day. Staff just assume its not allowed. 

 

Would be nice to clear up. 

It would be nice to see the video that was produced as it can give a better incite to the incident, 

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+SUPPORT

Video cannot be produced proving that the actions the warning staff member is stating, and nobody can remember their name. This is why I try to at least attempt to backlog videos incase the person being warned decides to post up a warn appeal. 

Regardless, civs can commit crime as LONG as they follow the specific guidelines that everyone else has to, otherwise myself and other staff members would have been warned for FailRP as a citizen a couple of years ago when we were running around as sovereign citizens. While punishments are staff discretion, a simple verbal would have sufficed in this instance and since we dont have any proof of whether or not the player adverted carjack, it's a he/she said situation and that's just not good enough. IF a video does show up, I will change my support based on what is in the video, but in the meantime I stand at where i'm at. 

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On 5/12/2020 at 3:13 AM, EternityAgar said:

+ Support 

Staff have always put the idea in thier head that it's not allowed but infact it is. A citizen may cause any amount of crime according to Snar (old manager) back in the day. Staff just assume its not allowed. 

 

Would be nice to clear up. 

 

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On 5/12/2020 at 3:13 AM, EternityAgar said:

+ Support 

Staff have always put the idea in thier head that it's not allowed but infact it is. A citizen may cause any amount of crime according to Snar (old manager) back in the day. Staff just assume its not allowed. 

 

Would be nice to clear up. 

 

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