starr Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) Your In-game: starr Your SteamID: STEAM_0:1:417990687 The admin's name in-game: Phill The admin's steam name (If you know it): [GL] Wolfy What did the admin do: I made it all the way from LCZ to HCZ and to Gate A as 173, through GenSec, CI, MTF, and an ET Ethics member with a guard. I was at Gate A cause I wanted to sneak by and get to the surface, I wasn't going to get further than that and probably hop off after as a little accomplishment. However, Phill decided to exit the Facility and end his event, he and his guard stare at me throughout the time casually walking towards the Gate and Phill opens it. Then when the 15 seconds is up I TP towards them and slip off the bottom part of the Gate, I made it through, but Phill "wasn't doing a breach event" so he grabbed me with his physgun and shoved me back through the Gate and told me that I wasn't past the door and that I wouldn't make it. I complained about this blocked the Gate and grabbed him to get his attention while he walked away, I told him I waited my 15 seconds and that if he really wanted me contained he could have called MTF instead of abusing his physgun and shoving me back because that's not what his event was about. Then I tried to see why he did this in admin chat because it was just an annoying situation that instead of trying to contain me a normal way of either rolling or calling MTF he just grabbed me and threw me back, I understand if an event isn't a breach event but I was already very much breached beforehand and it really isn't that hard to either contain me or admit an accident of letting me through one Gate. Evidence of the abusive action(s) (REQUIRED): Garry's Mod 2020-03-12 15-55-55_Trim_Trim.mp4 What do you believe should happen to the admin: A verbal at least, due to Phill being a well-known and long-lasting member Any extra information: I did accidentally freeze him and I know I shouldn't have grabbed him in the first place but it caught me off guard to be grabbed and thrown back into a Gate entrance for no reason. Even if the event isn't listed as a "breach event" it's ok to make a mistake, and it wasn't like he was intentionally breaching me, there was no reason for this situation to happen. As you can see as well, I was given "Hands" at the beginning of the video.@Falxen Garry's Mod 2020-03-12 15-55-55_Trim_Trim.mp4 Edited March 12, 2020 by starr insert cliched signature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Dtscalice Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 +support Ok so first off not trying to be mean here or anything but phill should not be using physgun to Yeet you back into Gate if you waited your time, Also you shouldnt be using your physgun off duty in any case so i feel you should also get some form of punishment but yes it shows that phill knew what he was doing when he did it Truth is just a matter of perspective. The duty of every soldier is to protect the innocent ~Captain Price (Modern Warfare 2) Former CMD Positions: E11 1LT, Medical Chief Manager, CI LT and SRIC, Alpha 1 CPL, RRH Squad Lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillers Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) @starr, Those videos are not playing for me, i believe this might be due to the video type not being supported, i'd appreciate if this could either be fixed or that you send the Video to me directly trough discord (Wolfy#8895), so that i can see the full extent of the accusations. I'll respond to this after i have been able to watch the video's, this might have to wait untill tommorow tough due to timezone issue's for me. As for the current time tough, i will say that i stand by my actions in this moment, as i believe that a Euclid SCP Breaching to the surface trough one of my events which was mostly about passiveRP is unfair to the Foundation players/MTF Units, as it would result in a breach that they could have done nothing to prevent at that moment. Edited March 12, 2020 by Falxen "Without morals, are we truly any better than the things we've set ourselves to contain?" EX-Site Director | EX-Super Admin | EX-Event Team Lead | Otter Lover | Regardless of what SMT Says, not a furry. | R&D Senior Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giovanni Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 No opinion right now because @starr's videos aren't working Retired E11 CMDR | Retired Admin | CI CPT | Event Team Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillers Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Alrighty let me properly type out a response now. First off, i dont deny doing any of the things Starr says that i've done, i did move him back trough the gate using my physgun. I did this for one big reason : I was doing PassiveRP. For me, that means that i make attempts to leave as little of a dent on foundation / CI / SCP operations on the site during my event, and only make attempts to talk/rp with people. This for me includes letting a SCP Surface breach, because as i think you can all understand, that would leave quite a dent on Foundation operations in the Site, as this would result in MTF having to deal with a surface breached Euclid SCP, which really, they had no way to stop from surface breaching as it was due to an Event, and i simply believe that that is unfair to MTF. This works both way by the way, one might say i should have called MTF on you to notify them of your location/have you contained, but i dont do that either, as that would be rather unfair to SCP's to be spotted by someone who usualy wouldn't be there. To simply conclude, i dont allow major impacts on the site to happen due to one of my PassiveRP events, an SCP Surface breach would constitute a major impact in my view. If this situation would come up again, i would respond in the same way, as quite frankly, i believe my handling in this situation was not in violation with guidelines, and as of such does not warrant punishment. (PS: In the future if you are annoyed/frustrated with me in any way Starr, please dont put it out in "@" chat for all to see, and just DM it to me on Discord, as quite frankly, it looks unproffesional.) "Without morals, are we truly any better than the things we've set ourselves to contain?" EX-Site Director | EX-Super Admin | EX-Event Team Lead | Otter Lover | Regardless of what SMT Says, not a furry. | R&D Senior Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakub Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) +support, pretty obvious why. This ruined one person's role play to make other people's experience fun and that now how et should work. Edited March 13, 2020 by Jakub Ex E11 COL, Ex A1 MAJ, Ex AHOTS, Ex Security 2LT, Ex Admin. Current CI 2LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Inaccurate Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Falxen said: Alrighty let me properly type out a response now. First off, i dont deny doing any of the things Starr says that i've done, i did move him back trough the gate using my physgun. I did this for one big reason : I was doing PassiveRP. For me, that means that i make attempts to leave as little of a dent on foundation / CI / SCP operations on the site during my event, and only make attempts to talk/rp with people. This for me includes letting a SCP Surface breach, because as i think you can all understand, that would leave quite a dent on Foundation operations in the Site, as this would result in MTF having to deal with a surface breached Euclid SCP, which really, they had no way to stop from surface breaching as it was due to an Event, and i simply believe that that is unfair to MTF. This works both way by the way, one might say i should have called MTF on you to notify them of your location/have you contained, but i dont do that either, as that would be rather unfair to SCP's to be spotted by someone who usualy wouldn't be there. To simply conclude, i dont allow major impacts on the site to happen due to one of my PassiveRP events, an SCP Surface breach would constitute a major impact in my view. If this situation would come up again, i would respond in the same way, as quite frankly, i believe my handling in this situation was not in violation with guidelines, and as of such does not warrant punishment. (PS: In the future if you are annoyed/frustrated with me in any way Starr, please dont put it out in "@" chat for all to see, and just DM it to me on Discord, as quite frankly, it looks unproffesional.) If 173 got there without assistance from an event, you shouldn't have ruined his rp. As jakub said, ruining someone's rp so others can have better to is just unfair and frustrating, espically as his escape had nothing to do with your event until he ran into your event characters, which suddenly means that he can't escape. You have to remember that your event characters are rp characters to, and if 173 is out in surface because of them it doesn't mean you can physgun him back. Events won't always go your way, stop thinking they will. +Support for a strike "Pay increase declined. Welcome to the Foundation, get used to it." -O5-6 3rd time Head of Medical Staff | Ex-Director of Research and Security | Ex-Director of Utility | Ex-Senior Admin for SCP-RP | Ex-Admin for TTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionicle Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, [GL] Inaccurate said: If 173 got there without assistance from an event, you shouldn't have ruined his rp. As jakub said, ruining someone's rp so others can have better to is just unfair and frustrating, especially as his escape had nothing to do with your event until he ran into your event characters, which suddenly means that he can't escape. You have to remember that your event characters are rp characters to, and if 173 is out in surface because of them it doesn't mean you can phys gun him back. Events won't always go your way, stop thinking they will. +Support for a strike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Alpha_ Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 hours ago, [GL] Inaccurate said: If 173 got there without assistance from an event, you shouldn't have ruined his rp. As jakub said, ruining someone's rp so others can have better to is just unfair and frustrating, espically as his escape had nothing to do with your event until he ran into your event characters, which suddenly means that he can't escape. You have to remember that your event characters are rp characters to, and if 173 is out in surface because of them it doesn't mean you can physgun him back. Events won't always go your way, stop thinking they will. +Support for a strike Former DHOS Current GENSEC LTCOL - Deputy Head Juggernaut - HIRU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killermankey Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 hours ago, [GL] Inaccurate said: If 173 got there without assistance from an event, you shouldn't have ruined his rp. As jakub said, ruining someone's rp so others can have better to is just unfair and frustrating, espically as his escape had nothing to do with your event until he ran into your event characters, which suddenly means that he can't escape. You have to remember that your event characters are rp characters to, and if 173 is out in surface because of them it doesn't mean you can physgun him back. Events won't always go your way, stop thinking they will. +Support for a strike I totaly + support for a strike. I even think that he should have something in staff since the handbook states not to use your physgun off duty RETINA BURN BOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillers Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, killermankey said: I totaly + support for a strike. I even think that he should have something in staff since the handbook states not to use your physgun off duty I believe you might be misunderstanding here, i never used my physgun off duty, and i certainly dont see how this situation pertains to any staff matters, it is about my actions during an Event, while acting as Event Team. Edited March 13, 2020 by Falxen "Without morals, are we truly any better than the things we've set ourselves to contain?" EX-Site Director | EX-Super Admin | EX-Event Team Lead | Otter Lover | Regardless of what SMT Says, not a furry. | R&D Senior Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PixelatedPancakes Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 +Support If he waited his 15 seconds , and the gate was open you had no right to physgun him back, what you could have done was call MTF to GATE A to get 173 as you were leaving the site. Current : Former : Nu7 COL, HSU Founder (I wrote the SOP so I'm very important clearly), Nu7 MAJ x 2, E11 2LT, SCP Senior Mod, TTT SA, JvS Admin, TS Support 3, HSU Commissar (), RRH Guardian 01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starr Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 You were an RP person in your event, just like how you're not allowed to god and noclip away during events with no reason is the same for physgun. insert cliched signature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corners Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 5 hours ago, killermankey said: I totaly + support for a strike. I even think that he should have something in staff since the handbook states not to use your physgun off duty Loves Corners, Corner. Corner. Former Imperial Commandos VCMDR Fixer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8VP ツ Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/13/2020 at 9:43 AM, pixelated pancakes said: +Support If he waited his 15 seconds , and the gate was open you had no right to physgun him back, what you could have done was call MTF to GATE A to get 173 as you were leaving the site. Retired CI LTCMDR | Proud Enuzer | Roblox Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Judge Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 On 3/13/2020 at 8:15 AM, _Alpha_ said: If 173 got there without assistance from an event, you shouldn't have ruined his rp. As jakub said, ruining someone's rp so others can have better to is just unfair and frustrating, espically as his escape had nothing to do with your event until he ran into your event characters, which suddenly means that he can't escape. You have to remember that your event characters are rp characters to, and if 173 is out in surface because of them it doesn't mean you can physgun him back. Events won't always go your way, stop thinking they will. +Support for a strike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th3 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 On 3/13/2020 at 11:47 AM, starr said: You were an RP person in your event, just like how you're not allowed to god and noclip away during events with no reason is the same for physgun. Just want to clarify, so if they believe they need to use their powers to help them in the event they are running they can’t. That’s what I’m getting from this. Kinda weird since they should be able to especially despite being an actor in the event they are running. SCPRP Head of Staff Lead Discord Administrator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourCat Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 - Support He has a reason of doing this guys. THEY opened the doors, and that was part of an event. He says it's not a breach event, I believe him. So you breaching after they opened the doors should be something that isn't really cool for the Foundation at that moment, but the event is a form of role play so I guess it COULD be considered fair. I really don't think Phil was truly in the wrong here. TLDR I see both sides, but Phill had a reason to stop him from breaching. It could've been handled a bit better, but hindsight is always 20/20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starr Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, th3 said: Just want to clarify, so if they believe they need to use their powers to help them in the event they are running they can’t. That’s what I’m getting from this. Kinda weird since they should be able to especially despite being an actor in the event they are running. they can to help an event, it obviously would be needed if their is an SCP or just a spectator for the event to help, however, it's a little weird when you're an Ethics committee member and while he's just casually walking around checking different areas he would just noclip to get to the next closest area instead of walking. The map is easy to memorise and is not a huge size, so there is just no need to be RPing and use a ET power when it doesn't fit the character. That's the basis of my point here, he was RPing and walking out Gate A then threw me in, there wasn't an reason from his RP character. insert cliched signature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catsro Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Accepted The Event Team Member will be spoken to. SCPRP Head Admin | Ex SCPRP Event Team Leader | Ex CI LTCMDR | O5-13 Catsro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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