A player report on spray

[Human]

Your in game name:Human

Your Steam ID:STEAM_0:0:608346317

The player's in game name:Spray

The player's steam ID (required):STEAM_0:0:61838065

Date and Time This Incident Occurred:date 7/18/2023

What did the player do:commited RDM as a pathfinder to a disiged member of EOI while they were a researcher.They said after their reason was that anything coming out of CI base can't be trusted and also thought i looked like a member of R&D due to my model being of a hazmat.

Evidence (required):https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/1k9VEMzCNGH2LM/d1337wdOLsxH?invite=cr-MSxKUWIsNDI1ODQyOTYs.https://imgur.com/a/lU55pRT

What do you believe should happen to the player:they recive a warn for RDM

Any extra information: A sit was called but a member of staff said they couldn't warn the person due to their rank so to place in a report.

[Roseeee]

+support

was in game when it happened, basically admitted to it in OOC as well afterwards and claimed that you shoot people coming out of CI base even if they're foundation (not true, which multiple people corrected him on in OOC)

[[GL] Fizz-y Soda]

+support

Fishy

[Nydekore]

-Support

A researcher on surface can be reasonably KOS'd

[Boesermaster]

6 hours ago, Roseeee said:

+support

was in game when it happened, basically admitted to it in OOC as well afterwards and claimed that you shoot people coming out of CI base even if they're foundation (not true, which multiple people corrected him on in OOC)

I didn’t say that, I thought , as I shot him, that it was an Old RND model. Since I rememberd RND also using this one. Which I later learned , wasn’t true anymore. 

To keep it shorth : I saw him coming , from CI base, I thought that it was a RND/ EOI model. And since all CI are KOS on surface , not knowing that there might be a chance that it was a disguise, like mentioned above. 

[Boesermaster]

And in case it matters : It was meant jokingly, since I wasn’t aware that I should not have shot him. Becuse of what I said above. 

[Boesermaster]

Also yeah Research also used it, but I saw him come out of CI base, look at the Gate, go back. Then go back to just look at the Gate instead of going inside. As he just stood there looking at the gate, instead of going inside, it was clear that it was a RND/ EOI. 

[Mary]

3 hours ago, Boesermaster said:

And in case it matters : It was meant jokingly, since I wasn’t aware that I should not have shot him. Becuse of what I said above. 

Dawg, breaking rules just for the “jokes” really ain’t cool and makes you look horrible. And why are you shooting at, what you think could be, R&D? They are non-combatants...and you were on pathfinder too, just try to stealth cuff them or call for backup…

 

+Support for now

[Boesermaster]

25 minutes ago, Mary said:

Dawg, breaking rules just for the “jokes” really ain’t cool and makes you look horrible. And why are you shooting at, what you think could be, R&D? They are non-combatants...and you were on pathfinder too, just try to stealth cuff them or call for backup…

 

+Support for now

I meant it like : Every CI , since I taught since RND was removed they no longer have Passive rp jobs. And since I was told all CI are KOS from Lewis or Curtis, I shoot of corse all of CI. 

 

And I wasn’t aware that I broke any rules at this point, I just taught , Yeah I killed a CI. Without knowing he had a disguise. And it was just a model for their RND / EOI. And I don’t think RND or EOI are AOS. Since they are part of CI. 

[starr]

Kind of a bad defense for a couple reasons Spray.

 

1st, he wasn't "just coming out of CI base", Human even made sure to go through the tree line so you couldn't sit there and camp him on the way out.

 

2nd, going off what I just said in the last part, why are you on Pathfinder just to puppy guard CI base? CI nor GOC do that, yet I see a lot of people on Pathfinder doing that recently, you guys should be warned just for that alone.

 

3rd, you have to be blind to see he didn't even react to you shooting him. So how did it not click to check who you shoot before killing him? Even if you knew it was CI you're supposed to actually AOS them and RP that out before murdering a possible Foundation member.

 

4th, even if it was a genuine accident, though it definitely doesn't look it, RND are non-combatants, they have been for some time too, so topping the camping, you also apparently ignored an incredibly important rule.

 

5th and lastly, joking about it after you can see the death card and their job is extremely immature from an Admin, though there isn't proof of that here, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt, if that did happen it's just downright upsetting you didn't even apologize or at the least didn't do it seriously.

 

In the end +support, but the end decision is up to higher staff.

Edited July 19, 2023 by starr

[PabloProo123]

15 hours ago, Nydekore said:

-Support

A researcher on surface can be reasonably KOS'd

In the Research Training guide it states that Researchers that are not Command will be Terminated and punished accordingly!

4 hours ago, starr said:

Kind of a bad defense for a couple reasons Spray.

 

1st, he wasn't "just coming out of CI base", Human even made sure to go through the tree line so you couldn't sit there and camp him on the way out.

 

2nd, going off what I just said in the last part, why are you on Pathfinder just to puppy guard CI base? CI nor GOC do that, yet I see a lot of people on Pathfinder doing that recently, you guys should be warned just for that alone.

 

3rd, you have to be blind to see he didn't even react to you shooting him. So how did it not click to check who you shoot before killing him? Even if you knew it was CI you're supposed to actually AOS them and RP that out before murdering a possible Foundation member.

 

4th, even if it was a genuine accident, though it definitely doesn't look it, RND are non-combatants, they have been for some time too, so topping the camping, you also apparently ignored an incredibly important rule.

 

5th and lastly, joking about it after you can see the death card and their job is extremely immature from an Admin, though there isn't proof of that here, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt, if that did happen it's just downright upsetting you didn't even apologize or at the least didn't do it seriously.

 

In the end +support, but honestly I'd say a strike on staff or whatever for all of this, I don't know any Admin+ that wouldn't get badly punished for an incident like this during my time.

 

[starr]

29 minutes ago, PabloProo123 said:

In the Research Training guide it states that Researchers that are not Command will be Terminated and punished accordingly!

 

Spray didn't know of this rule, while useful it doesn't excuse his reasoning of why, this doesn't validate his actions, though I'd like to mention it still does nothing since most people would try to ask and RP it out anyway.

[Sprink]

7 hours ago, Mary said:

Dawg, breaking rules just for the “jokes” really ain’t cool and makes you look horrible. And why are you shooting at, what you think could be, R&D? They are non-combatants...and you were on pathfinder too, just try to stealth cuff them or call for backup…

 

+Support for now

 

[Boesermaster]

Well, so i just looked over the Research SOP, He was a Senior Researcher, according to it, he would be KOS on Surface, and AOS in EZ. https://imgur.com/a/i1gY6cp

 

So i find in this case, even throught i was Mistaken and thought you were RND, which i belived to be made Combatants, since they were technicly removed and havent heard that they do any sort of RP since the Update. Pretty clear, i followerd the Research SOP.

 

 

 

 

[Lovelock]

Evidence is clear +Support

[Ein]

-Support

Senior Researcher's on surface is an immediate indication that they are up to no good in the first place, on top of that, the Research SOP (has been shown in the comments) specifically states that Non LVL 4 Research (which is exclusively HCMD) on the surface should be KOSed.

Another factor is that it is unrealistic to organize an AOS on the researcher, first of all, you dont know the researchers name to AOS, you then have to ADVERT it (which is going to be metagamed, no matter how hard you try. This is why I don't support requiring an AOS to be an advert because they are going to just avoid the people that have been instructed to AOS them). Secondly, a disguised EOI watching 3 MTF run at them trying to arrest them just means they're gonna run in the opposite direction. Unless you want to have 3 MTF sitting outside the CI base (I believe a verbal warning or warning for camping may be something to consider).

Regardless, in every other situation that Researcher would have been shot and killed, whether it was by E-11 or by an A-1.

[Dagger]

8 hours ago, starr said:

Kind of a bad defense for a couple reasons Spray.

 

1st, he wasn't "just coming out of CI base", Human even made sure to go through the tree line so you couldn't sit there and camp him on the way out.

 

2nd, going off what I just said in the last part, why are you on Pathfinder just to puppy guard CI base? CI nor GOC do that, yet I see a lot of people on Pathfinder doing that recently, you guys should be warned just for that alone.

 

3rd, you have to be blind to see he didn't even react to you shooting him. So how did it not click to check who you shoot before killing him? Even if you knew it was CI you're supposed to actually AOS them and RP that out before murdering a possible Foundation member.

 

4th, even if it was a genuine accident, though it definitely doesn't look it, RND are non-combatants, they have been for some time too, so topping the camping, you also apparently ignored an incredibly important rule.

 

5th and lastly, joking about it after you can see the death card and their job is extremely immature from an Admin, though there isn't proof of that here, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt, if that did happen it's just downright upsetting you didn't even apologize or at the least didn't do it seriously.

 

In the end +support, but the end decision is up to higher staff.

Basically sums up all the issues here. If you had direct line of sight for him leaving CI Base, then that means you were sitting, as a cloaking job, with a sniper rifle waiting for CI to leave just so you could insta-kill them... you can even see from the tab list that CI have low numbers. And then on top of that, you shoot a non-combatant with the excuse of thinking it's actually a CI job thats... another non-combatant...

 

He literally looked over at you and gave you that thousand yard stare EOI do when their getting shot at, and know damn well they shouldn't be.

 

This is disappointing coming from an Admin, and should result in some form of punishment. EOI already have it tough, stop trying to make it even harder for one of the few exclusively RP jobs on the server. 

 

+SUPPORT

 

-Ender, EOI Deputy Chairman.

[Some Weeb]

1 hour ago, Dagger said:

Ender, EOI Deputy Chairman.

Cringe asf 

 

+/-

The report itself is no good, researchers/gensec have always been KoS for surface so there is literally no argument here, it doesn't matter his reasoning for killing him all L2/L3 research and gensec alike are KOS anyways.

The part that pissed me off is the camping that's some dick head type shit right there and only shows laziness and stupidity on your part.

 

TLDR warn for puppy guarding or (maybe) metagame idk if that's what is constituted if someone is camping eoi

[Boesermaster]

14 minutes ago, Some Weeb said:

Cringe asf 

 

+/-

The report itself is no good, researchers/gensec have always been KoS for surface so there is literally no argument here, it doesn't matter his reasoning for killing him all L2/L3 research and gensec alike are KOS anyways.

The part that pissed me off is the camping that's some dick head type shit right there and only shows laziness and stupidity on your part.

 

TLDR warn for puppy guarding or (maybe) metagame idk if that's what is constituted if someone is camping eoi

I mean, he was already more then halfway there, 20 more Steps, and he would be directly in front of the Gate.  It was just unlucky that i saw him come from the Forest.

 

[Goat]

Various Non-Combative & Some Combative Jobs on surface are very much causes for concern, this instance is one of them. While the kill has lead to an unfortunate situation for certain individuals, there is no reason for this situation to result in a warn. 

HOWEVER I would like to stress for all involved and not-involved. If you are physically able to see CI base during any situation outside CI Base Raids you are entirely too close to CI base. Please ensure everyone is properly following the proper rules regarding base camping and those alike.
 

Denied