Ein Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 I just have to re-emphasize my +Support for this I absolutely despise cloakers, even though I have access to tons of cloaking jobs, and was the Head of Wardens for a time, I cannot tell you how annoying both playing as a cloaking class and fighting against one is. Playing a cloaking job requires less than half the skill of a regular class, and is an incredibly dick-ish and cheeky way to get kills (especially when you buy and use "meta" guns). When I enter an elevator, and get one-tapped by a shotgun from somebody who I could not see or hear (because the player knows how to use the "ctrl" key on their keyboard), there is 0 counterplay to that. What am I supposed to do? On top of that, because guns in this server take a ridiculously long time to kill somebody, if they manage to recloak in time (because they know how to keep their distance when necessary and hide around corners), then my damage is basically pointless. And finally, if he kills me while I have thermals, I now have to wait a 10+ minute cooldown to be able to counter him. RETIRED Security Colonel / Warden Legate / Juggernaut Enforcer / Research Administrator / M.A.D. Site Operations Chief / RRA Professor / MTF Delta-5 'Front Runners' Captain / Veteran Raptor Operative / Internal Affairs Agency Assistant Director / MTF Nu-7 'Hammer Down' Captain / Covert Agent / Deputy Head Field Training Officer / UN Global Occult Coalition Corporal / Combat Medic Tactical Paramedic / R&D Scientist / Marksman Recon Specialist / MTF Alpha-1 'Red Right Hand' Major / Enforcer Squadron Lead "We are the first line of defense. We are the first responders tasked to save those in danger. We have the responsibility to ensure the safety and well-being of all staff members. Because of that, you are the bravest men I have ever had the honor to serve with.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boesermaster Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Ein said: I just have to re-emphasize my +Support for this I absolutely despise cloakers, even though I have access to tons of cloaking jobs, and was the Head of Wardens for a time, I cannot tell you how annoying both playing as a cloaking class and fighting against one is. Playing a cloaking job requires less than half the skill of a regular class, and is an incredibly dick-ish and cheeky way to get kills (especially when you buy and use "meta" guns). When I enter an elevator, and get one-tapped by a shotgun from somebody who I could not see or hear (because the player knows how to use the "ctrl" key on their keyboard), there is 0 counterplay to that. What am I supposed to do? On top of that, because guns in this server take a ridiculously long time to kill somebody, if they manage to recloak in time (because they know how to keep their distance when necessary and hide around corners), then my damage is basically pointless. And finally, if he kills me while I have thermals, I now have to wait a 10+ minute cooldown to be able to counter him. I am curious, what has the ctrl key to do with it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ein Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Boesermaster said: I am curious, what has the ctrl key to do with it ? Ctrl is my crouch key. RETIRED Security Colonel / Warden Legate / Juggernaut Enforcer / Research Administrator / M.A.D. Site Operations Chief / RRA Professor / MTF Delta-5 'Front Runners' Captain / Veteran Raptor Operative / Internal Affairs Agency Assistant Director / MTF Nu-7 'Hammer Down' Captain / Covert Agent / Deputy Head Field Training Officer / UN Global Occult Coalition Corporal / Combat Medic Tactical Paramedic / R&D Scientist / Marksman Recon Specialist / MTF Alpha-1 'Red Right Hand' Major / Enforcer Squadron Lead "We are the first line of defense. We are the first responders tasked to save those in danger. We have the responsibility to ensure the safety and well-being of all staff members. Because of that, you are the bravest men I have ever had the honor to serve with.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boesermaster Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, Ein said: Ctrl is my crouch key. Oh but sadly I am still not smarter, why is crouching in the elevator a problem ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ein Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Boesermaster said: Oh but sadly I am still not smarter, why is crouching in the elevator a problem ? The easiest way to find a cloaker (without thermals, either because they havent been called out yet or because you dont have them on) is by the noise they make when they move (footstep sounds). When you crouch and walk, you make 0 noise, making it thus impossible to detect a cloaker. So, when I walk into an elevator with a cloaker who makes 0 noise and who I cant see, there is 0 counter-play when I inevitably get shot in the back of the head, RETIRED Security Colonel / Warden Legate / Juggernaut Enforcer / Research Administrator / M.A.D. Site Operations Chief / RRA Professor / MTF Delta-5 'Front Runners' Captain / Veteran Raptor Operative / Internal Affairs Agency Assistant Director / MTF Nu-7 'Hammer Down' Captain / Covert Agent / Deputy Head Field Training Officer / UN Global Occult Coalition Corporal / Combat Medic Tactical Paramedic / R&D Scientist / Marksman Recon Specialist / MTF Alpha-1 'Red Right Hand' Major / Enforcer Squadron Lead "We are the first line of defense. We are the first responders tasked to save those in danger. We have the responsibility to ensure the safety and well-being of all staff members. Because of that, you are the bravest men I have ever had the honor to serve with.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeps Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 10 hours ago, Sean Johnson said: Its just not fun to play against, if a cloaker wants can just go invis line up a headshot and get a free kill, doing so requires absolutely no skill or merit So lets not allow them to buy snipers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Velvet Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) +support I hate cloakers Edited June 22, 2023 by Rex Velvet ez 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manager Curtis Posted June 22, 2023 Manager Share Posted June 22, 2023 On 6/19/2023 at 11:25 PM, Fool said: Cloaking classes weren't a major problem back in they day since there was only 3 combat jobs with cloaks two of them being donator (Zeta-6 and CI Infil) the only one you could earn through a branch was Alpha-1 Special Forces which was very exclusive. Even then the old cloak would uncloak you when you switched to a different weapon, if we can't remove them go back to that system I am with Fool on this one, I don't think that removing the cloakers is the solution, but if we went back to the old way where if you switched off the cloak item it would uncloak you would work wonders, you still have to be tactical and not get caught but if you want to kill someone you gotta either do it right in front of their face or sneak attack them. I think it would add more instead of someone hiding in a corner and then mowing them down while they shoot, if it is adjusted to how fool suggested +Support if it is fully removing I do not agree with that. “Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” ― Mahatma Gandhi Retired Director of Intelligence(2023) & Former Epsilon-11 Commander (2020/2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PabloProo123 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Neutrual im so bad at bein a cloaker it wouldn't make a diffrence if u removed the dono cloak Job Current: |{Clan} U.I.U Junor Agent| |Lead Researcher| Former/Retired: Research Assistant Manager-SCP-RP: Senior Moderator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domz Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/11/2023 at 11:03 PM, Dagger said: Honestly it never made sense why all factions randomly have an agent that can go invisible (well I mean It does since it makes the server a lot of money by offering players a direct advantage in combat in exchange for donating). Anyways these jobs are annoying as hell, and cloaking should be restricted to SCPs or special jobs like CI Mech Dolos. Utilizations would be more powerful since they offer players cloak. Overall +Support FORMER: Foundation Doctor , RFA SIC/OA1 , SEC SFC, WD-V Eqvites Antonius MONK CI DHLS , CI SM , RRH Analyst , D5 MSGT , Maintenance ME "Domz" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizer Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 They hated neutral CC's, Now they hating on dying? What's next???? Remove Dclass? Because they are rude? Remove SCP's ability to breach? Because they have big sharp teeth? Remove staff? Because you wanna break rules???? Overall W suggestion -Support L clokees Former: SeniorMod - Security CPT - Research RAM RHH Guardian Alpha 99-Agent Purple Rain CCs: Kosher Inspectors - Security Black Ops - The Jokerz - Nobody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Steps Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Cloakers only add to a very poor combat meta that has less to do with skill and more to do with rank. Get rid of em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boesermaster Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/25/2023 at 11:12 PM, Kaizer said: They hated neutral CC's, Now they hating on dying? What's next???? Remove Dclass? Because they are rude? Remove SCP's ability to breach? Because they have big sharp teeth? Remove staff? Because you wanna break rules???? Overall W suggestion -Support L clokees I agree with this, if we remove Cloakers, the othe other Donator jobs should be either adjusted or it should be replaced by something. I paid 15 Dollars for it, Samsara is the least worth it from them, followed by Big fucking guns since you need to have played. While to know where to put guns. And the most worth it Is the Cloaker job. But shouldn’t Nerv it even more, since you have to put away your weapon to cloak again after being shot at or shot someone. It is already pretty weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sogieeeeeee Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 On 6/19/2023 at 9:25 PM, Fool said: I started playing in march of 2019 and cloaking jobs were there so probably since the server started +Support though Cloaking classes weren't a major problem back in they day since there was only 3 combat jobs with cloaks two of them being donator (Zeta-6 and CI Infil) the only one you could earn through a branch was Alpha-1 Special Forces which was very exclusive. Even then the old cloak would uncloak you when you switched to a different weapon, if we can't remove them go back to that system ong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossatron1924 Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 +support either get rid of them for everyone or revert to the handheld system as fool stated Current: CI COL | CI RND SVA | Proud Rho 36 Shaman and Rho 36 "Infiltrator" Group Vanguard Former: MTF E11 LTCOL | A1 2LT | SF Aphrodite Z36 | STF D4 Ares BA4 | Banana Fridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 19 hours ago, Bossatron1924 said: +support either get rid of them for everyone or revert to the handheld system as fool stated MTF E-11 DoRCU 2LT Trout MTF O-1 CPL Calypso Retired Maintenance Command Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storms Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 +support fuck cloakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Weeb Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 +Support Really busted lmao, I was getting 30-50 kill raids as a a cloaker. That's a whole Lotta NLR. SCP-RP - Former: Moderator/ET, Security SFTO SM, Research Researcher, MTF Alpha-1 Sgt, MTF Alpha-1 "Alpha-6", Noob-7 Cpl, D5 RCT, R&D SIN, T-2 Blackjack, HFR, DHBI and E-11 DoFTO HCE SM | Current: CI Military DHLS SFTO SM Imperial-RP - Former - Moderator, Royal Guard Senior Guard, Shadow Guard Lead, Stormtrooper 2LT, 501st MSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple2005 Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) + Support Cloaking is kinda a no skill item not to mention annoying as hell when some cloaked dude walks up behind you and instantly kills you with a USAS you could implement a feature were the cloaking turns off when you move forcing cloakers to reveal themselves if they want to make a move. But still allowing them to stay hidden at the downside of not being able to move which I believe to be a more fair and balenced version of the current cloaking kinda. Similar to the armor cloaking from halo overall I just fell as though the current version of the cloak swep should only be reserved for SCPs and no other classes but I also think it would be good if they were to reinvent the cloak similar to what I stated for non SCP classes. Edited July 4, 2023 by purple2005 1 Current: Director Of Containment Previous: HSU Head/Nu-7 CMDR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnisNuts Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, purple2005 said: you could implement a feature were the cloaking turns off when you move forcing cloakers to reveal themselves if they want to make a move. But still allowing them to stay hidden at the downside of not being able to move This actually sounds like a fire idea, with something like this https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=308977650 If this replaced the current cloak on all the cloaking jobs that aren't SCP's on the server people wouldn't feel like cloakers are lame af. 1 CI CMDRCC: CI Requiem Squad XH-76 Biggest DMC Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzso Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, IgnisNuts said: This actually sounds like a fire idea, with something like this https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=308977650 If this replaced the current cloak on all the cloaking jobs that aren't SCP's on the server people wouldn't feel like cloakers are lame af. I dont fully believe cloakers should get removed but get a rework into this and 90% transparent. Current CI SM, AND DHLS Former EMF Jan 2 Lysol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artillery Tanks Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) I would say, just change the Cloak sweep to this https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1475481224&searchtext=Cloak, it have 4 option, Cloaking for 10 sec, Cloaking for 20 sec, Cloaking for 30 sec, Cloaking for inf https://imgur.com/DWXsYzO, downside you can see him while they walking or running, they have to crouch to still cloaking, it will be annoying for Cloaker job, also, shooting someone while cloaking, will uncloak yourself, I would say just give Cloaker job a Cloaking for 20 sec or 10 sec sweep to make it fair, and don't change SCP Cloak sweep [966, 2191], keep it same. Edited July 10, 2023 by Artillery Tanks RPName: Tank Jobs: Nu7 CPT/GOC CPL Retired: Security 2LT,CI RnD CA, Sen Mod, Nu7 MAJ Note: Tank - Sleep is for pussy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprink Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 On 6/30/2023 at 10:52 PM, Bossatron1924 said: +support either get rid of them for everyone or revert to the handheld system as fool stated Deputy Head of Security | Executive Event Team | Admin | Forum Diplomat | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark001 Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 On 6/11/2023 at 6:03 PM, Dagger said: Honestly it never made sense why all factions randomly have an agent that can go invisible (well I mean It does since it makes the server a lot of money by offering players a direct advantage in combat in exchange for donating). Anyways these jobs are annoying as hell, and cloaking should be restricted to SCPs or special jobs like CI Mech Dolos. Utilizations would be more powerful since they offer players cloak. Overall +Support Police RP (retired): Staff | PD Major | SWAT MSGT | Blaze President Imperial RP (retired): Naval Commodore | Staff & Gamemaster Military RP (retired): USMC Captain | DI LT | kamikaze pilot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevlar_ Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 No estimate on how long this may take as such a special job will need an equal replacement since they are donator jobs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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