General Suggestion - Quitting while we are ahead - Denied

[Ya Boi Sawrunner]

What are you suggesting? - Hard limits for HP AP on every class, with like, the SOLE exception of stuff like O-5 and Ethics, seeing in how they are what they are and having them break this limit isn't a big deal. I suggest an absolute max of about 550, aka 275 275 at most. 

How would this change better the server? -  We need to stop this before it gets out of hand. I hear rumors, talks, all about buff this buff this buff this, add hp and ap make this class tougher tankier stronger so on, and it is NOT the right balancing strategy. We are NOT imperial, we are not meant to be turbo tanks able to shrug off insane damage for fun. This is a PvP heavy server, fights are already getting to be bullet ridden staredowns, and with every combat branch getting buffed into the stratosphere, what about classes who are left behind? D-Class trying to riot? Non Combatants exercising self defense? We push the limits harder and harder here, but by NO means should we be getting as strong as we are. 

Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - None, if proper steps are taken to ensure weapon balancing for all branches. 

Who would this change mostly benefit? - Everyone. I cannot think of a single person who this will negatively affect in a way where there is no alternative solution (I.e, someone who is extremely incompetent in a fight not able to take a shit ton of damage to push through could just practice their aim and combat skills)

Please link any workshop content, screenshots, or anything that you think may be helpful to those who view this suggestion - N/A

[Ashe Fox]

Would this be branch specific hard limits? What about SF’s, would their limit be higher? Would a sub branch like wardens have a higher limit than normal sec?

 

what I’m trying to say is I don’t think a FLAT limit is gonna work, it needs to be branch specific.

Though don’t get me wrong I do think something like this is needed, just maybe in a different way

so +/- support for now

 

Edited October 22, 2021 by Ashe Fox

[Ya Boi Sawrunner]

4 minutes ago, Ashe Fox said:

Would this be branch specific hard limits? What about SF’s, would their limit be higher? Would a sub branch like wardens have a higher limit than normal sec?

 

what I’m trying to say is I don’t think a FLAT limit is gonna work, it needs to be branch specific.

Though don’t get me wrong I do think something like this is needed, just maybe in a different way

so +/- support for now

 

This would be every branch, every class, SF, sub branch, whatever. I mean it when i say EVERY class. You can be lower than the limit as you please but no class should exceed it. So in the case of say, gensec, they dont need 275 275 classes and I would assume high command would know that. Likewise to something like Maintenance and such. the 550 rule would be an overarching limit for everyone, no matter what, no job on the server can exceed it with the SOLE exception of O-5, Administrator, and Ethics, seeing in how they A: Already exceed it I believe and B: Deserve to exceed it.

[Ashe Fox]

7 minutes ago, Ya Boi Sawrunner said:

This would be every branch, every class, SF, sub branch, whatever. I mean it when i say EVERY class. You can be lower than the limit as you please but no class should exceed it. So in the case of say, gensec, they dont need 275 275 classes and I would assume high command would know that. Likewise to something like Maintenance and such. the 550 rule would be an overarching limit for everyone, no matter what, no job on the server can exceed it with the SOLE exception of O-5, Administrator, and Ethics, seeing in how they A: Already exceed it I believe and B: Deserve to exceed it.

Aaaah ok, I assumed you meant every combat branch makes their classes health the 275 275 or somethin very close to that, to make it “balanced” but since you are gonna rely on HCMD to be smart about it I’ll give ya a 

 

+Support

Edited October 22, 2021 by Ashe Fox

[Ya Boi Sawrunner]

Just now, Ashe Fox said:

Aaaah ok, I assumed you meant every combat branch makes their limit the 275 275 or somethin very close to that, to make it “balanced” but since you are gonna rely on HCMD to be smart about it I’ll give ya a 

 

+Support

I dont think any branch update could push like 11 classes with that much HP and AP, if they tried people would raise hell. We need these limits man.

[FBI-01]

HUGE +Support

TTK (Time To Kill) has skyrocketed with every health and armor buff classes have received. It’s gotten to the point where tactics and the element of surprise don’t even matter, because most classes will just tank all of the damage they receive in a single firefight, causing even longer combat. This makes PVP (at least for me) very unsatisfying, as it’s almost impossible to get kills without dying multiple times or traveling in large groups.

[I disappear]

+support

I have been jokingly mentioning this for a while now but it is a real problem. 

[that one dude with the long name]

+Support Classes have become too tanky, this would not only make the server feel more realistic when it comes to combat offering better tactics to be applied besides travel in a large pack or have a better gun. This would also help SCPs that haven't been buffed damage wise become an actual threat (098, 966, 1048A)

-/+Support  Weapons would also need to be addressed in this. Lowering HP/AP would make knives even more OP and weapons with very quick fire rate or special weapons such as any type of Sniper/Anti material rifle or most of D5s weapons would decimate people. 

Edited October 22, 2021 by that one dude with the long name
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[Yato Sensei]

+ Support

We are honestly getting WAY too ridiculous with the HP/Armor people have been getting. I understand that some classes need to have more because of better training, being sf, requiring it for the job but people having 500+ THP (Theoretical HP Armor + HP) its absolutely nuts. We need the good old days where the max was around 400 - 425. 

BUT

If this gets accepted, nerfs to ALL guns should be implemented as to not have people dying in 1 second (Except snipers ofc.) and most melee weapons will need a significant damage nerf. (No get gud is not an argument.)

[NanaFrost]

+Support
From personal experience the HP and AP at the moment is starting to reach the point to where its out of hand, Weapons and Heath should receive a Nerf/Rework in some way to avoid being shredded, The only good exceptions are Melee and Sniper Rifles, I have seen it too much where people get aggressive and divided by the factor of HP and AP because 'its too high' or 'its too low'. I'm tired of hearing the divide, Its a disgrace to see this community divided over a little number, This is a server meant for fun, it may not be viewed like that for all members involved, but this is a community of friends, and family. If we don't act now we will be having classes that have 500 HP or more, and that just doesn't make sense, Because even the EVENT TEAM have rules on how much HP a normal person can have. I can also tell half of you probably don't give a shit but it is wise to give this a thought. 

P.S. Stay Safe - Mask Up - Have fun

My Personal Recommendations (feel free to modify/work off of if you want)

---Normal Combatants
Combatant Special Forces | 200 - 275 HP | 150 - 200 AP
Combatants [Regular] | 150 - 250 HP | 50 - 125 AP
Combatants [Heavy] | 250 - 325 HP | 50 - 200 AP
Combatants [Stealth] | 125 - 225 HP | 50 - 100 AP
Combatants [Sniper] | 125 - 200 HP | 50 - 150 AP

---Special Case Scenarios
RRH Guardian | 200 - 300 HP | 150 - 255 AP
RRH Engineer & Analyst | 125 - 200 HP | 50 - 150 AP
Combatant Branch SCPs | 750 - 1500 HP  | 50 - 200 AP
 

[GarGar]

+support 

With all these health buffs and stuff it is going to become annoying to kill anyone on this server with the power creep. Plus dclass won’t stand a chance escaping if it keeps creeping. 

[Sixx]

-Support

Kinda weird how this post was made after it was of a big topic of discussion with branch HCMD not too long ago, However there's already a plan set in motion to combat the TTK problem and hard capping job HPs and APs is stupid, if its too much the community can-Support it or SMT Can deny it.

[FusionThunder]

-Support

if the community doesnt like the buffs to hp/armor just -Support it. There probably is a plan to combat the issue anyway

[Skela]

2 hours ago, Sixx said:

-Support

Kinda weird how this post was made after it was of a big topic of discussion with branch HCMD not too long ago, However there's already a plan set in motion to combat the TTK problem and hard capping job HPs and APs is stupid, if its too much the community can-Support it or SMT Can deny it.

 

[Piller]

7 hours ago, Yato Sensei said:

+ Support

We are honestly getting WAY too ridiculous with the HP/Armor people have been getting. I understand that some classes need to have more because of better training, being sf, requiring it for the job but people having 500+ THP (Theoretical HP Armor + HP) its absolutely nuts. We need the good old days where the max was around 400 - 425. 

BUT

If this gets accepted, nerfs to ALL guns should be implemented as to not have people dying in 1 second (Except snipers ofc.) and most melee weapons will need a significant damage nerf. (No get gud is not an argument.)

 

[Chief_]

2 hours ago, Sixx said:

-Support

Kinda weird how this post was made after it was of a big topic of discussion with branch HCMD not too long ago, However there's already a plan set in motion to combat the TTK problem and hard capping job HPs and APs is stupid, if its too much the community can-Support it or SMT Can deny it.

I was like wow. High command just had a whole ass discussion about this and heres a post now. 

[Piller]

2 hours ago, Chief_ said:

I was like wow. High command just had a whole ass discussion about this and heres a post now. 

Sus.

If there's already some in the works then -support this due to redundancy.

[islandtoad]

-support to hard capping the hp/armor

+support to LEAVING IT BALLANCED but nerfing all combatant branches hp/armor and doing some weapon changes

[Ya Boi Sawrunner]

7 hours ago, Sixx said:

-Support

Kinda weird how this post was made after it was of a big topic of discussion with branch HCMD not too long ago, However there's already a plan set in motion to combat the TTK problem and hard capping job HPs and APs is stupid, if its too much the community can-Support it or SMT Can deny it.

Shit man, I don't talk to hcmd in any combatant branches anymore than like, once a month. I wasn't aware of some meeting. Furthermore, Why jump through the extra hoops? What if a branch just gets drowned in +supports [Bullshit yall dont know the rumors of people PAYING players to +support an opposing branch's update] and then B.S gets passed regardless of what a community truly wants?

3 hours ago, Pillercat said:

Sus.

If there's already some in the works then -support this due to redundancy.

Aint shit sus, I have been on LOA for more than a week. If there is something being done, then yeah sure, disregard this. But iunno what HCMD gets up to, im just an enlisted, down here in the trenches, how am I supposed to know? Highest rankin' friend I interact with consistently is only low command. 

13 hours ago, Yato Sensei said:

+ Support

We are honestly getting WAY too ridiculous with the HP/Armor people have been getting. I understand that some classes need to have more because of better training, being sf, requiring it for the job but people having 500+ THP (Theoretical HP Armor + HP) its absolutely nuts. We need the good old days where the max was around 400 - 425. 

BUT

If this gets accepted, nerfs to ALL guns should be implemented as to not have people dying in 1 second (Except snipers ofc.) and most melee weapons will need a significant damage nerf. (No get gud is not an argument.)

Well of course, I already mentioned that.

"Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - None, if proper steps are taken to ensure weapon balancing for all branches. "

I see you, don't worry. I ain't up for having my life turned off like a lightswitch either. 

[Zarl]

10 hours ago, Sixx said:

-Support

Kinda weird how this post was made after it was of a big topic of discussion with branch HCMD not too long ago, However there's already a plan set in motion to combat the TTK problem and hard capping job HPs and APs is stupid, if its too much the community can-Support it or SMT Can deny it.

Sixx do be leaking our plans doe O_o 

[Warren Talos]

10 hours ago, Sixx said:

-Support

Kinda weird how this post was made after it was of a big topic of discussion with branch HCMD not too long ago, However there's already a plan set in motion to combat the TTK problem and hard capping job HPs and APs is stupid, if its too much the community can-Support it or SMT Can deny it.

 

[Cypher]

11 hours ago, Sixx said:

-Support

Kinda weird how this post was made after it was of a big topic of discussion with branch HCMD not too long ago, However there's already a plan set in motion to combat the TTK problem and hard capping job HPs and APs is stupid, if its too much the community can-Support it or SMT Can deny it.

 

[Pills]

16 hours ago, Sixx said:

-Support

Kinda weird how this post was made after it was of a big topic of discussion with branch HCMD not too long ago, However there's already a plan set in motion to combat the TTK problem and hard capping job HPs and APs is stupid, if its too much the community can-Support it or SMT Can deny it.

leaking HCMD chats????

-Support lol

[Eyelander]

23 hours ago, Sixx said:

-Support

Kinda weird how this post was made after it was of a big topic of discussion with branch HCMD not too long ago, However there's already a plan set in motion to combat the TTK problem and hard capping job HPs and APs is stupid, if its too much the community can-Support it or SMT Can deny it.

 

[Jummy]

+Support.

Dude who cares about leaking or who it came from y'all need this.