General Suggestion - Nerf Riot Control - Accepted

[Mary]

13 hours ago, [GL] Godbert Manderville said:

+Support 

Gensec  stand for general security They fact the have thermals  makes no since they should be only for Command not for 80% of Gensec

Riot Control already have more health than most of CI at this point Gensec  is a MTF branch in it self they are meant to combat d class not CI

 

 

[Jack (utility one)]

-support
As you stated before @[GL] Godbert Manderville Gensec stands for General security, which is correct. By that logic you CAN'T say that they don't deserve or can't hold thermals, as a CI infil is a threat to security, in which meaning they have every right to deal with that threat. Yes they main goal is to stop D-class and escort research and such, but that is because that is the main threat to the foundation. CI is also a threat to the foundation meaning that they have every right to call thermals if it is needed. That is "security", which by definition is "the quality or state of being secure: such as. a : freedom from danger : safety. b : freedom from fear or anxiety. c : freedom from the prospect of being laid off job security." quoted by the Merriam-Webster dictionary. The main part is freedom from danger, as I said before CI is a threat, danger, so the foundation and security. There is no argument that  I've seen that can deny them this fact. Just by saying "of their gensec they aren't that special, they have MTF" is denying this argument. If anyone would love to argue more about this subject please DM me at Jackweeb1112#8101 and we can continue their. If you prove me wrong then I will change this post happily. 

[Rangiatea]

Could we not also just not allow CI past the blue line then limit GENSECs thermals to CMD+ and jug?

[verycrankyredhead]

3 minutes ago, Rangiatea said:

Could we not also just not allow CI past the blue line then limit GENSECs thermals to CMD+ and jug?

+support im kinda ok with this

Edited December 18, 2020 by verycrankyredhead

[Rito]

As someone who plays a lot on D-Class, here is what I suggest instead.

Riot controls, might have a lot of HP, they are still very easy to take down. I do not think a change to riot controls are needed for now. And it would make it fair for Riot controls to keep thermals so they can go deal with CI infils as they are the only one that can cross the blue line

For all of security NCO+ to have thermals, this is the worst idea possible, security IS NOT MTF, they do not need thermals in any way, I only see thermals required for Riot controls. Gensec does not need thermals at SGT+ considering that you can get SGT in few days since there is no promotion cooldown for Gensec enlisteds. 

So, what I think is don't nerf Riot controls and keep their thermals, keep those for Command and juggernauts, but remove them from NCOs. They do not need thermals.

 

[Coltable]

6 hours ago, Rangiatea said:

Could we not also just not allow CI past the blue line then limit GENSECs thermals to CMD+ and jug?

The only current reasons for CI to go past the blue line is if:

1. We have been corned into d block and are forced to hold it down from MTF personnel being outside.
2. Seeking medical attention in a safe/none active combat zone.
3. And of course using the barricade/elevator as protection, now in the recent months we've been working on moving the d block raid protocol too "Breach d class, secure d block then exile to EZ, once there regroup and reenter for future d block raids"

I believe its reduced CI camping in d block but, in some cases 1 or 2 CI may be left alive and as such might pull a "last stand" strategy inside d block.

I see the current issue of this topic being more of who is meant to deal with CI in d block, Now personally i understand why MTF believe it is their duty, the only issue being Gensec still need to continue there current job that being securing D block and in some cases (especially if CI have killed most of MTF when entering the facility) Gensec can not wait around for MTF to come and save the day. Its most likely in the best interest that Both Gensec and MTF HCMD have a talk and come to a somewhat understanding/agreement, it would be a lot more productive than this current situation here on the forums...
 

Myself and my Command team have no issue with the current situation in D block. My understanding of why Gensec have thermals is for the sack of the servers Game-play and not RP related (Some things on the server come down to game-play or RP, issues like why we don't let a d class turn on the nuke even though in RP they should be able to do so it would ruin the game-play for the rest of the server). 

Overall standpoint on this is -Support until MTF/Gensec can come to an agreement.

On 12/17/2020 at 11:32 PM, Sixx said:

Also when it comes to the Thermals part of this suggestion, you could've just talked to me about it in TS or DMs and I'm sure we could've came to a middle ground just like how Security came to a middle ground with MTF when we wanted private comms. 

Communication is important people!!!! 

[[GL] Mike]

On 12/17/2020 at 10:39 AM, Nagasaki said:

- Support 

-The point of Thermals for Riot control is to combat the CI Infils that come into D Block

 

[Eem]

12 hours ago, vSquishyv said:

As someone who plays a lot on D-Class, here is what I suggest instead.

Riot controls, might have a lot of HP, they are still very easy to take down. I do not think a change to riot controls are needed for now. And it would make it fair for Riot controls to keep thermals so they can go deal with CI infils as they are the only one that can cross the blue line

For all of security NCO+ to have thermals, this is the worst idea possible, security IS NOT MTF, they do not need thermals in any way, I only see thermals required for Riot controls. Gensec does not need thermals at SGT+ considering that you can get SGT in few days since there is no promotion cooldown for Gensec enlisteds. 

So, what I think is don't nerf Riot controls and keep their thermals, keep those for Command and juggernauts, but remove them from NCOs. They do not need thermals.

 

One important thing to keep in mind is that now only MSGT+ have thermals... not a big change, but it denies the "quick promotion" arguement. On the second thought, nobody mentioned that Riot Control is CPL+ or LCPL+ when the restrictions are lowered, which means you don't even need to be a NCO to have thermals... Either way, this dude here is right. Riot control is not as good as you think they are. Any CC and normal D class can beat the shit out of RC in a few minutes even with simple guns. Remember, even the best riot control can't outshoot a d class who constantly respawns with literal sniper rifles, shotguns, strong-ass melee or just guns...

13 hours ago, Rangiatea said:

Could we not also just not allow CI past the blue line then limit GENSECs thermals to CMD+ and jug?

CIs need a way of defending themselves against any MTF/GenSec trying to get D block back and if they want to go past the blue line, they should be allowed to. If we're talking about CI infils to be restricted from crossing the blue line, it's actually not the worst idea, but- then infils won't have any use of going into d block whatsoever, they would still be able to hide in the corners, but that would just put them at a disadvantage. The barricade/columns/elevator is something that's always given infils their little space for annoying GenSec/helping D class. In my opinion, infils should do something more importrant than just annoying GenSec in D block, but that's just what I think...

Edited December 19, 2020 by Eem

[Sixx]

18 hours ago, Rangiatea said:

Could we not also just not allow CI past the blue line then limit GENSECs thermals to CMD+ and jug?

That would be something I would like

[Phillers]

-Support, with the current size and barricade in D-Block Riot Controll is needed more then ever.

[Squash]

-Support

Infils can absolutely demolish Riot Control if they don't have thermals, since they have longer ranged weapons. Plus during Off-Hours I have seen numerous times where infils just take over D-Block so easily without fault.

On 12/18/2020 at 3:50 PM, Rangiatea said:

Could we not also just not allow CI past the blue line then limit GENSECs thermals to CMD+ and jug?

^ I don't mind this however. 

[NeoID]

On 12/17/2020 at 4:03 PM, [GL] Fizz-y Soda said:

Riot control should be focused on Controlling Riots. Hence the name. lol

However, I was informed yesterday that gensec have thermals now, so removing them from RC doesn't really matter all that much. It just adds an unnecessary step for that class which would feel degrading. Also, if an Infil can chill in d block forever, that'll get boring fast. There are other fun things to do on Infil. 

I mostly support the changing of the weapon. They are kinda strong right now. Removing thermals from RC only is kinda dumb imo.

+Support for weapon only.

Couldn't have said it better myself. 

[[GL] Mike]

On 12/18/2020 at 10:00 AM, Jack (utility one) said:

-support
As you stated before @[GL] Godbert Manderville Gensec stands for General security, which is correct. By that logic you CAN'T say that they don't deserve or can't hold thermals, as a CI infil is a threat to security, in which meaning they have every right to deal with that threat. Yes they main goal is to stop D-class and escort research and such, but that is because that is the main threat to the foundation. CI is also a threat to the foundation meaning that they have every right to call thermals if it is needed. That is "security", which by definition is "the quality or state of being secure: such as. a : freedom from danger : safety. b : freedom from fear or anxiety. c : freedom from the prospect of being laid off job security." quoted by the Merriam-Webster dictionary. The main part is freedom from danger, as I said before CI is a threat, danger, so the foundation and security. There is no argument that  I've seen that can deny them this fact. Just by saying "of their gensec they aren't that special, they have MTF" is denying this argument.

 

[Igneous]

With the removal of CI being able to cross the blue line, Riot Control should have no use for thermals anymore.

[Igneous]

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