Nerf IQ/RG big time

[Rocco_Rex]

What do you want to see? - MAJOR nerf to IQ/RG. Remove heal, cap damage at a reasonable amount

Why should we add it? - IQ/RG are incredibly overpowerd. Event characters get obliterated by IQ/RG and the only option for GMs is to give the actors super OP weapons which many times do little to stop IQ/RG and decimate troopers. I did a test involving a RG CDT who had fore heal, I sent him against unending waves of NPCs with 9999x normal health and OP weapons, turrets, etc. yet he still never died

What are the advantages of having this? -Make troopers much more valued, increase activity in trooper batts, make things MUCH more balanced

Who is it mainly for? -Everyone but IQ/RG

Links to any content - NA 

Edited March 28, 2020 by Rocco_Rex

[[GL] Lucifer]

- Support

- The reason that the Royal guard killed them all is because, force heal in extremely good in combat but if you where to add a regular event character they would kill the RG with ease as they'd deal with NPC's & an intelligent foe

- RG are underpowered as it is, as I bet 6 of them as a basic Lord, even during events they are terrifyingly easy to defeat.

- As you state "I sent him against unending waves of NPCs with 9999x normal health and OP weapons, turrets, etc. yet he still never died" I find that if you couldn't kill a RG CDT even though you state all these things is quite concerning. 

- You also say "Major HP debuff & Damage Cap" which make utterly no sense as RG are weak as hell, & Inquisitors are based on the skill of the player on how much HP. For damage cap that would be completely unreasonable as you earn those crystals & they shouldn't be capped. Also RG have the basic crystals they get, so I'm confused on why you suggest a cap on something so minor in DPS.

[♛.dembi.♛]

+ and - support

Remove healing in my opinion is 100% right and that would work very well as we cant run away and heal without a medical.

Damage does not need to be reduced, the event character's health needs to be increased and actually experienced lightsaber users should be playing the role of jedi in these events as the IQ are taught very well how to duel and even if we did less damage these jedi would still be decimated due to most jedi in events lack of experience.

RG do not need a nerf at all they are completely balanced as soon as you take away the heal but may i suggest they update their SOP so in battle they don't go charging out attacking troopers they should be still guarding a VIP they are NOT inquisitors and i have seen them try to hunt jedi often and yes that is a problem.

We could also talk about IQ prioritising jedi over the regular rebel troopers in events leaving the troopers having to deal with those whilst the IQ hunt down the jedi.

OVERALL- Remove healing leave only the ability where you can heal other people,Dont nerf RG just make sure they arnt hunting jedi or charging into battle without protecting a V.I.P, damage dosn't need nerfing maybe a slight increase in event character health but use better lightsaber users as the jedi in events.

Edited March 28, 2020 by ♛.dembi.♛

[Nimo]

Here is an easy solution.

Make Force Heal during Combat  FailRP and you must wait 10 seconds or 1 minute to heal again, just like PRP and SCPRP

[TotalbanRJ]

2 hours ago, ♛.dembi.♛ said:

+ and - support

Remove healing in my opinion is 100% right and that would work very well as we cant run away and heal without a medical.

Damage does not need to be reduced, the event character's health needs to be increased and actually experienced lightsaber users should be playing the role of jedi in these events as the IQ are taught very well how to duel and even if we did less damage these jedi would still be decimated due to most jedi in events lack of experience.

RG do not need a nerf at all they are completely balanced as soon as you take away the heal but may i suggest they update their SOP so in battle they don't go charging out attacking troopers they should be still guarding a VIP they are NOT inquisitors and i have seen them try to hunt jedi often and yes that is a problem.

We could also talk about IQ prioritising jedi over the regular rebel troopers in events leaving the troopers having to deal with those whilst the IQ hunt down the jedi.

OVERALL- Remove healing leave only the ability where you can heal other people,Dont nerf RG just make sure they arnt hunting jedi or charging into battle without protecting a V.I.P, damage dosn't need nerfing maybe a slight increase in event character health but use better lightsaber users as the jedi in events.

 

[BadAim]

4 hours ago, Nimo said:

Here is an easy solution.

Make Force Heal during Combat  FailRP and you must wait 10 seconds or 1 minute to heal again, just like PRP and SCPRP

This on top of some global damage percentage nerfs on crystals.

[Rocco_Rex]

7 hours ago, Nimo said:

Here is an easy solution.

Make Force Heal during Combat  FailRP and you must wait 10 seconds or 1 minute to heal again, just like PRP and SCPRP

Not really, pretty sure it doesnt show in logs. Would be pretty much impossible to enforce

 

Aheago, I didnt attack the RG directly, it was just him vs NPCs

 

GMs arent supposed to have lots of Jedi events and non Jedi health is capped at 2500 and GM command has stated that probably wont be going up any time soon

[Kev]

I mean RG can't have OP hilts with customization they get stuck with the normal hilt/crystal and they have less hp then a apprentice so they're damage is already capped as this hilt isnt customizable aswell against jedis they are easily killed therefore normally they normally dont hunt down jedi but when theres no one to guard they might go after the jedi but if there is a person to guard they absoultoley shouldnt hunt down the jedi unless they are guarding a IQ lore character and they are fighting a jedi they would help so maybe just add a cooldown because RG use the force heal to keep the VIP alive so they still need it 

It would be a bit hard to cap IQs crystal damage especially for the ones you can pay for e.g sawtooth and the hilts that add 3 blades and thats what they donated for so they may feel a bit angry if the damage is capped 

A alternative route is making the rebel more tanky on the basis of how many IQ/RG are on and active

- IC VCOM 1262 DL Scorch 

Edited March 28, 2020 by some guy

[Nimo]

15 hours ago, Rocco_Rex said:

What are the advantages of having this? -Make troopers much more valued, increase activity in trooper batts, make things MUCH more balanced

This makes no sense at all

First of all, your point is "Making troopers more valued" From nerfing IQ or RG how is this suppose to make Trooper more valued. IQ are to follow the Defensive Rule and protect you guys, us protecting you guys should make you "Feel" more valued.

Second of all, "Increasing troopers activity" How from this suggestion will people activity boost? It is your jobs to keep your battalions activity up, not suggestion post to nerf IQ.

Third of all, "Making things more balanced" We paid to be a little more advanced and a little more powerful and nerfing us would defeat the purpose.

Please be more specific on what you want because all the points are invalid.

[Rocco_Rex]

57 minutes ago, Nimo said:

This makes no sense at all

First of all, your point is "Making troopers more valued" From nerfing IQ or RG how is this suppose to make Trooper more valued. IQ are to follow the Defensive Rule and protect you guys, us protecting you guys should make you "Feel" more valued.

Second of all, "Increasing troopers activity" How from this suggestion will people activity boost? It is your jobs to keep your battalions activity up, not suggestion post to nerf IQ.

Third of all, "Making things more balanced" We paid to be a little more advanced and a little more powerful and nerfing us would defeat the purpose.

Please be more specific on what you want because all the points are invalid.

Often times IQ bolt in front and just cut down everyone. It would make troopers more valued cuz IQ/RG would slice everyone down, heal, repeat

If troopers have more value then activity in trooper batts will go up as they will know they will get some good combat, not just IQ murdering everything

Id say yall are a lot more than a "little" more powerful

[Nimo]

Just now, Rocco_Rex said:

Often times IQ bolt in front and just cut down everyone. It would make troopers more valued cuz IQ/RG would slice everyone down, heal, repeat

If troopers have more value then activity in trooper batts will go up as they will know they will get some good combat, not just IQ murdering everything

Id say yall are a lot more than a "little" more powerful

You know if people would report IQ breaking Defensive formation with Evidence there woudn't be this problem

[_Alpha_]

1 hour ago, Nimo said:

This makes no sense at all

First of all, your point is "Making troopers more valued" From nerfing IQ or RG how is this suppose to make Trooper more valued. IQ are to follow the Defensive Rule and protect you guys, us protecting you guys should make you "Feel" more valued.

Second of all, "Increasing troopers activity" How from this suggestion will people activity boost? It is your jobs to keep your battalions activity up, not suggestion post to nerf IQ.

Third of all, "Making things more balanced" We paid to be a little more advanced and a little more powerful and nerfing us would defeat the purpose.

Please be more specific on what you want because all the points are invalid.

It makes ALOT of sense as IQ and royal guard are OP and all of us regular infantry are left behind in the dust. Basically Rocco_rex hits it.

 

I believe CC's should also be nerfed in terms of HP and damage too.

[Rocco_Rex]

16 minutes ago, Nimo said:

You know if people would report IQ breaking Defensive formation with Evidence there woudn't be this problem

Pretty hard for troopers to do so when they're busy dying and for GMs when we are busy bolting around making sure event goes well

[dylanj2002]

20 hours ago, [GL] Ahegao said:

- Support

- The reason that the Royal guard killed them all is because, force heal in extremely good in combat but if you where to add a regular event character they would kill the RG with ease as they'd deal with NPC's & an intelligent foe

- RG are underpowered as it is, as I bet 6 of them as a basic Lord, even during events they are terrifyingly easy to defeat.

- As you state "I sent him against unending waves of NPCs with 9999x normal health and OP weapons, turrets, etc. yet he still never died" I find that if you couldn't kill a RG CDT even though you state all these things is quite concerning. 

- You also say "Major HP debuff & Damage Cap" which make utterly no sense as RG are weak as hell, & Inquisitors are based on the skill of the player on how much HP. For damage cap that would be completely unreasonable as you earn those crystals & they shouldn't be capped. Also RG have the basic crystals they get, so I'm confused on why you suggest a cap on something so minor in DPS.

 

13 hours ago, Nimo said:

Here is an easy solution.

Make Force Heal during Combat  FailRP and you must wait 10 seconds or 1 minute to heal again, just like PRP and SCPRP

I must agree with Nimo, we could just make them wait a certain amount of time

[Obi Wan Kenobi [GL]]

21 hours ago, [GL] Ahegao said:

- Support

- The reason that the Royal guard killed them all is because, force heal in extremely good in combat but if you where to add a regular event character they would kill the RG with ease as they'd deal with NPC's & an intelligent foe

- RG are underpowered as it is, as I bet 6 of them as a basic Lord, even during events they are terrifyingly easy to defeat.

- As you state "I sent him against unending waves of NPCs with 9999x normal health and OP weapons, turrets, etc. yet he still never died" I find that if you couldn't kill a RG CDT even though you state all these things is quite concerning. 

- You also say "Major HP debuff & Damage Cap" which make utterly no sense as RG are weak as hell, & Inquisitors are based on the skill of the player on how much HP. For damage cap that would be completely unreasonable as you earn those crystals & they shouldn't be capped. Also RG have the basic crystals they get, so I'm confused on why you suggest a cap on something so minor in DPS.

 

[TheJackForce]

+SUPPORT

You all know the reason this has to be done friendly fire is annoying as hell 

-Commander Iden Versio IF1

[TAlila | Tay Keith!]

On 3/28/2020 at 9:35 AM, ♛.dembi.♛ said:

+ and - support

Remove healing in my opinion is 100% right and that would work very well as we cant run away and heal without a medical.

Damage does not need to be reduced, the event character's health needs to be increased and actually experienced lightsaber users should be playing the role of jedi in these events as the IQ are taught very well how to duel and even if we did less damage these jedi would still be decimated due to most jedi in events lack of experience.

RG do not need a nerf at all they are completely balanced as soon as you take away the heal but may i suggest they update their SOP so in battle they don't go charging out attacking troopers they should be still guarding a VIP they are NOT inquisitors and i have seen them try to hunt jedi often and yes that is a problem.

We could also talk about IQ prioritising jedi over the regular rebel troopers in events leaving the troopers having to deal with those whilst the IQ hunt down the jedi.

OVERALL- Remove healing leave only the ability where you can heal other people,Dont nerf RG just make sure they arnt hunting jedi or charging into battle without protecting a V.I.P, damage dosn't need nerfing maybe a slight increase in event character health but use better lightsaber users as the jedi in events.

 

[Rick Roni]

Im torn inbetween this comment.

On 3/28/2020 at 9:35 AM, ♛.dembi.♛ said:

+ and - support

Remove healing in my opinion is 100% right and that would work very well as we cant run away and heal without a medical.

Damage does not need to be reduced, the event character's health needs to be increased and actually experienced lightsaber users should be playing the role of jedi in these events as the IQ are taught very well how to duel and even if we did less damage these jedi would still be decimated due to most jedi in events lack of experience.

RG do not need a nerf at all they are completely balanced as soon as you take away the heal but may i suggest they update their SOP so in battle they don't go charging out attacking troopers they should be still guarding a VIP they are NOT inquisitors and i have seen them try to hunt jedi often and yes that is a problem.

We could also talk about IQ prioritising jedi over the regular rebel troopers in events leaving the troopers having to deal with those whilst the IQ hunt down the jedi.

OVERALL- Remove healing leave only the ability where you can heal other people,Dont nerf RG just make sure they arnt hunting jedi or charging into battle without protecting a V.I.P, damage dosn't need nerfing maybe a slight increase in event character health but use better lightsaber users as the jedi in events.

 

[Beckett]

In terms of RG, their force abilities have already been removed (excluding force absorb and blocking) due to unrelated topics/conversations.

In terms of IQ as a whole, it would be a large process of editing the damage for all the crystals and resticting health - especially how other factors contribute to how they use the equipment they get. For example, many player have donated to recieve certain items/parts that increase their performance, if we change that then we are taking away what the donation orginally promised them - also people have bought levels/skillpoints to reach certain abilities meaning it could be unfair to just restrict/remove them. In addition, the customization of their lightsabers aren't just to dominate event characters, it is also a crutial role in how they train/duel each other through their passive RP sessions. Furthermore, the Inquisitors generally follow the densive rule (as they are constantly being informed) and those that break it are usually punished (through strikes or tick reduction). Furthermore, the healing abilities also help the troopers. On the other hand, it is possible to add a time restriction on how often one can use the healing abilities (through editing the config).

In my opinion, the easier and fairer way to deal with this is to change how event characters deal with Inquisitors (like a new stun device or a weapon that pushes them back). For example, we have recently successfully coded new elctro batons for purge, meaning we can do the same for event characters without having to be Jedi. Moreover, we currently have ways that can suppress Inquisitors that I have seen to be successful like using flash/smoke grenades, jet packs, and fortifications.

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