ExoTic Maddog Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Your In-game: ExoTic Maddog Your SteamID: STEAM_0:1:125339230 The admin's name in-game: Rocco Rex The admin's steam name (If you know it): STEAM_0:0:433247298 What warning did you receive: RDM x 3 , NCWS FailRp, loopholeing Evidence of the warn (REQUIRED): Why do you think this warn was false: I was brought into an admin sit for "RDM x 3" hosted by Rocco Rex. Apparently, I randomly killed the president without taxes being 30 percent or 5 SS being online. I then explained to him that I adverted mug and was attempting to mug him for 5000 Dollars but the president broke fearp rp and started to move away by moving left to right etc. I then killed him due to the fact that he had no value to his life and did not drop me the 5000 Dollars that I requested. At the same time of this happening my teammate was having a gun drawn upon him, after killing the president I turned around to kill the person pointing the gun at my family member, in doing so I missed a couple of shots and hit the ems car behind me as well as killing my buddy due to him having low health. I asked for video evidence of the whole ordeal but none was presented or shown and the admin simply went off of the BLogs. I was warned for NWCS when I said I will take the warn as long there is evidence of me doing so. No video evidence was shown of the president running from me so It was instantly assumed via logs that I killed him randomly. I do believe that you can not simply go off of logs when it comes down to a situation like this. Loopholeing? I do not understand this part as I did no loopholeing of any sort. I simply Mugged the president he failed to drop cash I then killed him, my family member has the same last name so I can help them out. Admin did not explain to me this and returned me I then got a higher up involved who then is also confused about this. I talked to Stackable about this and he has supplied me with logs supporting my case, he too does not understand why I was warned due to the fact that if the president does break fearp or doesn't drop cash no matter how many SS PD Or how high the taxes are you can rightfully kill them. I simply requested video Evidence of this whole ordeal but none was ever provided nor presented, because logs do not fully explain the situation and doesn't show if the president moved or not. Evidence of me Adverting Evidence of me shortly after Killing the President. The shootout damage logs showing me killing the president and then shooting the per threatening my family member whilst me hitting EMS and killing my buddy My Buddy whom was involved Any extra information? Stackable supplied the logs that are shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Yobo Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 + Support No video evidence supporting the presidents case was present, only thing that he went off was the logs. However logs do not show him running away whilst under gunpoint. If no video evidence was supplied why was this person warned off of logs that clearly show he validly killed the person? I don't fully understand this situation of why he was warned for loopholeing? @Rocco_Rex Your side please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredgen Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, Yobo said: + Support No video evidence supporting the presidents case was present, only thing that he went off was the logs. However logs do not show him running away whilst under gunpoint. If no video evidence was supplied why was this person warned off of logs that clearly show he validly killed the person? I don't fully understand this situation of why he was warned for loopholeing? @Rocco_Rex Your side please PoliceRP: Former PD LT. ImperialRP: Starkiller, former 8th Brother, StarFighter Vice Marshall, 501st CPT, and Admin. MilitaryRP: Captain Price, former USAF Lieutenant Colonel.JVS: Former Darth Vader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sion Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 -support Can't kill president if he refuses to drop 'you may see my struggle, but you won't see me quit' 'Success depends on the second letter' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer. Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Yobo said: + Support No video evidence supporting the presidents case was present, only thing that he went off was the logs. However logs do not show him running away whilst under gunpoint. If no video evidence was supplied why was this person warned off of logs that clearly show he validly killed the person? I don't fully understand this situation of why he was warned for loopholeing? @Rocco_Rex Your side please I was there we were told by Gamik that we can Mug president even if taxes are lower than 30%, so That Isn't loopholeing if were allowed to do that if thats what he meant by loopholeing. He never RDMED anybody at all I was with him the entire time he just mugged presidents and killed them if they didn't listen and I think the x3 is that president shown in the screenshot, the president from earlier and his guard who was pointing a gun at a family member, or he was talking about a president from earlier and that sit was dealed with already and no warns were given because we didn't break any rules. I wasn't during that sit, so I have no comment about NCWS because I dont know what happened in the sit. 4 minutes ago, Sion said: -support Can't kill president if he refuses to drop I have a question for that, so if I go somewhere and a guy says "DROP ALL YOUR MONEY NOW" and I say "no' does that mean he wont kill me? Killer | Gaminglight Member Since 2016 | Retired PD Colonel l State Major l SPRT Co-Commander l FBI Assistant Director l UMC Level 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Yobo Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sion said: -support Can't kill president if he refuses to drop You can, If you are mugging someone. And they don't drop the money? are you saying we cant kill them? Go ahead and warn me yourself and a lot of people. Because I know you have killed people when they didn't drop the money when they were being mugged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Yobo Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jesse said: The advert is legit "mug drop 5k or die". He obviously didn't drop the money so he picked die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 +support Had anyone else refused to drop the money, all we would have to do is show the advert for the mug and the sit would be over. What you're trying to say by 'cant mug and kill the pres' is that the president essentially does not have to follow fearrp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
𝙁𝙧𝙚𝙚𝙯𝙚 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 8 hours ago, Ronin said: +support Had anyone else refused to drop the money, all we would have to do is show the advert for the mug and the sit would be over. What you're trying to say by 'cant mug and kill the pres' is that the president essentially does not have to follow fearrp. ^^ Its clear that the warning was rushed/not much thought behind. +Support 1 Former S.W.A.T Commander & J.M.T Member Quote Best driver of the year award Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhenixBoy300 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 For everyone to know, you CANNOT mug, kidnap, murder, or assassinate when taxes are lower than 30%+/- supportCant mug pres when taxes are lower than 30 No proof of the NCWS or RDM x 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhenixBoy300 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, K1LLER._. said: You can mug if under 30%, I was told by Gamik that we can so I mean if a superadmin says yes I think its allowed I think its in MOTD that you cant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th3 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 As I recall, the rdmx3 was for killing the president instantly the 3 times you mugged him. The NCWS was for continuing to kill him the second two times after you were told not to do it again. Failrp was for killing the president with taxes under 30. Loopholing was for trying to justify killing the president in under 5 seconds for the 3rd time in a row without giving him time to consider dropping money and then hiding behind the rule that says you can kill someone if they don’t drop money and using that as an excuse to kill the president. Also your entire group were so incredibly mingy later at night. Tons of rdm and what not. SCPRP Head of Staff Lead Discord Administrator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannah Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 17 hours ago, Sion said: -support Can't kill president if he refuses to drop Motd rules doesn't state anything about killing the president in mugs +support SWAT PVT Hannah XR39-CPL Hannah King XC65 - Hannah King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhenixBoy300 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Hannah King said: Motd rules doesn't state anything about killing the president in mugs +support "You may only assassinate/kidnap/raid the President/Vice President when the tax rate is at or above 30% OR if there are 5 or more Secret Service (including C.A.T.). If the person is mid kidnap or etc, you can not just change the taxes/And or have a Secret Service switch off, and then proceed to call the situation false" I assume mugs a also fall under this Edited August 22, 2019 by PhenixBoy300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannah Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, PhenixBoy300 said: "You may only assassinate/kidnap/raid the President/Vice President when the tax rate is at or above 30% OR if there are 5 or more Secret Service (including C.A.T.). If the person is mid kidnap or etc, you can not just change the taxes/And or have a Secret Service switch off, and then proceed to call the situation false" Only thing I can see maddog getting a warn is for mugging in a public area at this time 1 SWAT PVT Hannah XR39-CPL Hannah King XC65 - Hannah King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Yobo Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, PhenixBoy300 said: "You may only assassinate/kidnap/raid the President/Vice President when the tax rate is at or above 30% OR if there are 5 or more Secret Service (including C.A.T.). If the person is mid kidnap or etc, you can not just change the taxes/And or have a Secret Service switch off, and then proceed to call the situation false" Does not mention anything about mugging. Raiding is referring too raiding their base. Super Admins Admins Senior Admins the whole kitten caboodle have even stated "You can mug the president" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] My Pet named Steve Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 13 hours ago, Ronin said: +support Had anyone else refused to drop the money, all we would have to do is show the advert for the mug and the sit would be over. What you're trying to say by 'cant mug and kill the pres' is that the president essentially does not have to follow fearrp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternity Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 - Support You can't mug the president that's always been a rule. If you could then there's no point in the taxes thing in the first place. PoliceRP Manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoTic Maddog Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, EternityAgar said: - Support You can't mug the president that's always been a rule. If you could then there's no point in the taxes thing in the first place. Where does it say that I can't mug the president? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sion Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 7 hours ago, th3 said: As I recall, the rdmx3 was for killing the president instantly the 3 times you mugged him. The NCWS was for continuing to kill him the second two times after you were told not to do it again. Failrp was for killing the president with taxes under 30. Loopholing was for trying to justify killing the president in under 5 seconds for the 3rd time in a row without giving him time to consider dropping money and then hiding behind the rule that says you can kill someone if they don’t drop money and using that as an excuse to kill the president. Also your entire group were so incredibly mingy later at night. Tons of rdm and what not. 'you may see my struggle, but you won't see me quit' 'Success depends on the second letter' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 9 hours ago, th3 said: As I recall, the rdmx3 was for killing the president instantly the 3 times you mugged him. The NCWS was for continuing to kill him the second two times after you were told not to do it again. Failrp was for killing the president with taxes under 30. Loopholing was for trying to justify killing the president in under 5 seconds for the 3rd time in a row without giving him time to consider dropping money and then hiding behind the rule that says you can kill someone if they don’t drop money and using that as an excuse to kill the president. Also your entire group were so incredibly mingy later at night. Tons of rdm and what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 On 8/21/2019 at 10:06 PM, Ronin said: +support Had anyone else refused to drop the money, all we would have to do is show the advert for the mug and the sit would be over. What you're trying to say by 'cant mug and kill the pres' is that the president essentially does not have to follow fearrp. That bald Aussie Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco_Rex Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 th3 took the words right out of my mouth. I cant explain it any better than he did. I even ran this by Gamik and one other, Gamik specifically told him to stop after the first Retired as IRP assistant head game master, IRP SNR admin, PRP admin, IC Commander, SRT 2LT, EMS Head Deputy, FR DEFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperKimg Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) On 8/22/2019 at 1:42 AM, EternityAgar said: - Support You can't mug the president that's always been a rule. If you could then there's no point in the taxes thing in the first place. This makes no sense to me. The taxes thing is so you can assassinate him. If you mug him and he roleplays correctly, he will still be alive. It was the president's fault for not valuing his own life. Either way, I'm staying neutral on this. The warn report makes it sound like Max just didn't want to deal with it and rushed a warn. But at the same time, th3's explanation shows why Max might have just been done and warned you. Edited August 28, 2019 by ViperKimg SX CEO ViperKimg | EMS/FR Reserves | Gaminglight Member Since 2017 | Donated Over $850 | Ex-PoliceRP Staff | $1,000,000,000 Achieved In-Game | Married to @EmptiedSkies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannah Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 8:29 AM, Rocco_Rex said: th3 took the words right out of my mouth. I cant explain it any better than he did. I even ran this by Gamik and one other, Gamik specifically told him to stop after the first If it isnt in the motd it isnt a stated rule and it isn't loopholeing either I would like staff to actually read the motd and understand it, First You may only assassinate/kidnap/raid the President/Vice President when the tax rate is at or above 30% Second Loopholing is not allowed for any rules. .Our rules are server guidelines and are there to be followed as written. No exceptions. Third where in the rules written states that the president could not be mugged 1 SWAT PVT Hannah XR39-CPL Hannah King XC65 - Hannah King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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