Riot Control Rework (Edited) - Denied

[[GL] Dtscalice]

+Support

I Feel as though D class when rioting cant have fun when multiple RC are sniping you from halfway across D block or are 2 shotting you on D class, I Support the Shotgun Change

[CinaedeInvictus]

+Support

 

The last thing d-block needs is 3 or 4 XMs camping the elevator.

[Dang]

+ support

- I see security command always hopping on riot control as the class is really OP.

- Also yesterday there was 6 gensec with 3 of them being riot control, it took 5 D-class CCs to over power them and that doesn't include all the other d-class jobs as well.

- Just saying that is basically £1200 worth of CCs to break through 6 Gensec. 

[Coltable]

17 hours ago, Mind Stone said:

-Support

Until you decide to speak with either me, Jack S, or Sixx and we can come to a compromise, I won't support this. 

23 hours ago, jackyman21 said:

-support

im pretty sure that literally ALL of gensec HC just told you to talk to them, perhaps you should do that....

On 2/21/2021 at 4:28 PM, Rookieblue said:

As a reminder, players are more than welcome to post suggestions regarding certain classes that they believe affect the server as a whole. The Head Command rule for suggestions are ONLY in regards to regular branch updates. A player requesting a specific class get a nerf if it has a significant effect on the server (GENSEC v D-Class would meet that) then it's perfectly fine. The player is more that welcome to reach out to a command member to get their input, but it is not required.

The point of posting a suggestion on the forums is to get the "Community's" opinion on a matter, you not only get Gensec and Dclass mains but CI,MTF,Utility etc, Everyone gets to give their own personal stance on how they feel the situation should be handled. Now i understand that it is a nice gesture for new players or current command members to consider talking to HCMD first on a suggestion but it is not required one bit, if anything i would be worried that it could seem like i'm trying to hide peoples suggestions/opinions by forcing them to speak to me first... Sadly we are a democracy not a dictatorship lmao.... 

+/- Support While I do think riot control has moved from "Controlling riots" to a more "total domination of Dclass", I still believe they should in someway be able to over come most Dclass including CC.

I think a more fitting change could be in shape of a rule change for when riot control can either flag up/Enter Dblock or Go passed the blue line. A change to either of these situations could allow for a more fair change while not as much "nerfing" Riot control. Keep in mind Riot control in real life is used when situations are becoming chaotic and out of control, I don't see why Riot control should be passed the blue line/in Dblock if there is no riot. Maybe asking riot control to leave Dblock entirely is an extreme measure but i do think they shouldn't be allowed passed the blue line unless its partial lock-down which in the case of a Dblock riot happening it would be.

 

 

[Jack S]

3 hours ago, Coltable said:

I don't see why Riot control should be passed the blue line/in Dblock if there is no riot

I like this one.

[Some Weeb]

+support

I Get gensec losses d block a lot but that's because y'all never seem to develop new strategies all it is, sit behind barricade # and look forward you wouldn't lose d block of you did not train gensec to basically be half afk zombies cause you don't give them enough to do

Your resolution to that was basically making riot control a cc with a op shotgun instead of just adapting

I think a guideline like riot control can only flag on if more than 4 people are rioting and CCs count as 2 people

[Jack S]

1 hour ago, Dragin said:

I think a guideline like riot control can only flag on if more than 4 people are rioting and CCs count as 2 people

Brainstorming some ideas.

 

[The CI Zero]

6 hours ago, Coltable said:

The point of posting a suggestion on the forums is to get the "Community's" opinion on a matter, you not only get Gensec and Dclass mains but CI,MTF,Utility etc, Everyone gets to give their own personal stance on how they feel the situation should be handled. Now i understand that it is a nice gesture for new players or current command members to consider talking to HCMD first on a suggestion but it is not required one bit, if anything i would be worried that it could seem like i'm trying to hide peoples suggestions/opinions by forcing them to speak to me first... Sadly we are a democracy not a dictatorship lmao.... 

+/- Support While I do think riot control has moved from "Controlling riots" to a more "total domination of Dclass", I still believe they should in someway be able to over come most Dclass including CC.

I think a more fitting change could be in shape of a rule change for when riot control can either flag up/Enter Dblock or Go passed the blue line. A change to either of these situations could allow for a more fair change while not as much "nerfing" Riot control. Keep in mind Riot control in real life is used when situations are becoming chaotic and out of control, I don't see why Riot control should be passed the blue line/in Dblock if there is no riot. Maybe asking riot control to leave Dblock entirely is an extreme measure but i do think they shouldn't be allowed passed the blue line unless its partial lock-down which in the case of a Dblock riot happening it would be.

 

 

I really agree with Colt's statement here. Yes riot control are really annoying but seeing them be more of a kind of E11 type of deal where they extend during an actual riot makes a lot of sense and It wouldn't make either side too powerful. So in the end I am agreeing with colt and his +/- Support

[Jameshi34]

11 hours ago, Coltable said:

I think a more fitting change could be in shape of a rule change for when riot control can either flag up/Enter Dblock or Go passed the blue line.

-Support for the leaving D-Block
+Support for the flag up (although I would rather give Senior NCOs power to give permission to flag on)

[Sulfur]

Lol I killed a Riot Control and 2 Nu-7 with my pistol

[Mewy Minge]

+support balances classes between 

[CinaedeInvictus]

On 2/21/2021 at 11:33 AM, [GL] loudyfam (Jack S) said:

Yes I know but we could have came to an agreement that everyone likes, as I know Sixx has done this, we do listen to what they think as we try to balance our classes to D-class.

Go on the server right now and say "Riot control is OP" (which is a true statement) the only response you will get from GENSEC (enlisted and command) is "go cry about it" "they're not OP" So I don't blame Doom Guy for not wanting to go to command to talk about it, I certainly wouldn't.

[Klotulm]

-Support

Riot Control is meant to "Control Riots" I don't think the stats on the job to change, tbh I would like to see the slots on the job lowered but that is it, in my opinion you guys already take over D-Block to much, if you don't like what I said tbh I could care less, 70% of the foundation relies on the fact that D-Block is secure (example: D-Block is lost, the entire research branch can't get Class-D, which might I added is almost as important as the SCP its self) or (example: MTF can't contain SCPs when they can't get Class-D) And you guys have a very big wall by the elevator and Our job is to make sure no d class roit if you dont like this play something eles

[NeoID]

+ Support

It is pretty powerful at this time, to the point even people who are supposed to have "better " jobs realize it, and flag onto it for the power build. Not saying it's wrong doing that, I would too lol. But one of the two fixes could be done to resolve it:
-Lower the slots from 5 to 2 or 3.
or 
- Nerf it's HP/Armor

I do also like what Colt said about them not being behind the blue line during riots, that should definitely be a defined rule. It makes sense, and it would help the issue.

May I also state, it is only level 2 personnel, I don't think they should be "that" powerful anyhow. Honest accident, happens, and I hope we can see improvement on this!

Edited February 25, 2021 by NeoID

[Some Weeb]

Spamming dislikes also is not helping gensec

sorry if my opinion is something you don't like

[Mind Stone]

On 2/23/2021 at 8:07 AM, Dragin said:

+support

I Get gensec losses d block a lot but that's because y'all never seem to develop new strategies all it is, sit behind barricade # and look forward you wouldn't lose d block of you did not train gensec to basically be half afk zombies cause you don't give them enough to do

Dude. If its that easy then try it. Make a suggestion. Try to change something.

[Some Weeb]

45 minutes ago, Mind Stone said:

Dude. If its that easy then try it. Make a suggestion. Try to change something.

THE POINT BEING  not that its easy that's just immature to think and not what I am implying in any way. 

a big flaw in gensec in my opinion is already stated in their which is there is not enough activities issued to the gensec branch.Most of the time it is simple as just look in front of the barricade and shoot anyone that goes past the line. (discounting PT's) GenSec need more activities. Now this is where you can decide I am saying its easy, or whether I am just trying to give you something to think about. which quick hint I am not saying its easy. 

in fact it can be as simple as every 5 minutes switch the barricade formations every 10 minutes assign a LCZ patrol. keep your people in the game. 

Edited February 25, 2021 by Dragin

[Jameshi34]

48 minutes ago, Dragin said:

THE POINT BEING  not that its easy that's just immature to think and not what I am implying in any way. 

a big flaw in gensec in my opinion is already stated in their which is there is not enough activities issued to the gensec branch.Most of the time it is simple as just look in front of the barricade and shoot anyone that goes past the line. (discounting PT's) GenSec need more activities. Now this is where you can decide I am saying its easy, or whether I am just trying to give you something to think about. which quick hint I am not saying its easy. 

in fact it can be as simple as every 5 minutes switch the barricade formations every 10 minutes assign a LCZ patrol. keep your people in the game. 

We... we do. Switching barricades is simply silly, but patrols are one of our core activities. NCOs / Wardens of any rank may take Enlisted on patrols throughout LCZ to keep the whole team engaged. However, sometimes we’re in a grey spot where there’s just enough people in D-Block to hold it comfortably, but not enough people to send out on patrols.

Similarly, we have escorts. Researchers come by every now and again to request D-Class and an escort. However, the site is always on Code Black, Red, or Orange, making it so non-combatants can’t enjoy their RP as much as we’d want them to. The point arises then, that if D-Block is being held just enough for there to be no protocols active, but the site is too low of code for Research to come by requesting D-Class, what do we do with our lower ranks? Simply put, there’s nothing we can do. This occurs WAY more often than one might believe it to, and it’s pretty much a stalemate for CMD.

Our frequent PTs and Offmeetings are currently our biggest draw in my opinion. With the promise of a fun game at the end of the day with the possibility of a promotion along with it, our Enlisted feel the drive to get on and help hold D-Block. Not counting them as activities seems rather redundant considering its one of the few times we get out of D-Block and have some fun.

Normal Gensec is probably the most mindless, infuriating, boring job on the server. It takes next to no strategy to sit in front of a barricade and shoot, which is why we give our NCOs the ability to patrol, our Enlisted the ability to go on escorts, and our CMD the ability to enter new zones freely. Coming up with new activities is, quick hint, no where near as simple as you make it sound in your suggestions. As it would happen, one of your suggestions (patrols) has already been a thing in Security for as long as I can remember. Coming up with new things for a branch that has to stay in one place for the majority of its time on the server is insanely difficult.

[Some Weeb]

17 minutes ago, Jameshi34 said:

As it would happen, one of your suggestions (patrols) has already been a thing in Security for as long as I can remember. Coming up with new things for a branch that has to stay in one place for the majority of its time on the server is insanely difficult.

That wasn't a suggestion...
Who said anything about suggestions. 

of course i do believe patrols are not as actively happening as you make them to be.  (At least when I am on) 

and again there is no intent to say it is easy or simple...

[Mary]

On 2/20/2021 at 11:25 AM, OWNED said:

I feel like this is something that needs to be discussed with High command of GENSEC

as for the suggestion itself, I do believe riot control to still be on the strong side even with the addition of the purple line rule.

I think the nerfs are somewhat fair tbh, so ill leave a +support

 

[enuz 💣]

On 2/23/2021 at 4:48 AM, Dang said:

+ support

- I see security command always hopping on riot control as the class is really OP.

- Also yesterday there was 6 gensec with 3 of them being riot control, it took 5 D-class CCs to over power them and that doesn't include all the other d-class jobs as well.

- Just saying that is basically £1200 worth of CCs to break through 6 Gensec. 

 

[Jameshi34]

6 hours ago, Dragin said:

in fact it can be as simple as every 5 minutes switch the barricade formations every 10 minutes assign a LCZ patrol. keep your people in the game. 

This is the part where you suggested we start to go on patrols. I was saying you implied it was simple, yet in reality it isn't, as you suggested something we already have in effect. Understandable misunderstanding to be honest.

[DooM Guy]

I just wanna make a statement saying, this is the most broken class in the game.
I have a harder time with 1 RC than I do with 2 HSU's
 

On 2/23/2021 at 1:48 AM, Dang said:

- Also yesterday there was 6 gensec with 3 of them being riot control, it took 5 D-class CCs to over power them and that doesn't include all the other d-class jobs as well.

- Just saying that is basically £1200 worth of CCs to break through 6 Gensec. 

 

If it took $1200 worth of CC's to break through 6 gensec something is really wrong here. Riot control are meant to be powerful not gilgamesh the destroyer. 
That shotgun is the main issue. I would also say the HP and the AP is too much but again I removed them to meet gensecs "standards" 

 

[ap3322]

I think it would be worth thinking about to lower the slots for RC either instead of or in addition to any changes. No matter if you think it's op on its own or not, it is a bit much to have potentially 5 RC guarding the elevator at one time, not even a CI raid could defeat that. 

[Jameshi34]

7 hours ago, DooM Guy said:

I just wanna make a statement saying, this is the most broken class in the game.
I have a harder time with 1 RC than I do with 2 HSU's
 

 

If it took $1200 worth of CC's to break through 6 gensec something is really wrong here. Riot control are meant to be powerful not gilgamesh the destroyer. 
That shotgun is the main issue. I would also say the HP and the AP is too much but again I removed them to meet gensecs "standards" 

 

I guess I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around why you guys are just starting to complain about our RC now, when we've had the same thing for like 4 months. If it's always been this strong, why is this just coming out now? Something else is happening, tides are turning, powers are shifting (not mediating), and I don't like it...