Rex Velvet Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) What are you suggesting? - Add 2 seperate routes that lead straight from lower dblock into dclass lounge and mines respectively How would this change better the server? - The routes can be stairs, elevators, escalators, trolley, etc. As to how these 2 routes would benefit the server, it would allow for more options during dblock riots and allow for dclass who want to gamble/mine during partials to do so. As context for the previous sentence, partials stay on for well over 40 min fairly often. The addition of this would give dclass and new players the option to enjoy what little amenities that are given for dclass as well as making dblock riots more interesting for both sides. Dclass get the benefit of not having to fight their way up the elevator when 10 gensec/mtf are throwing nades and holding LMB with LMGs and gensec/mtf get the benefit of more fluid riots that make things more interesting than sitting and looking at the elevator. I dont see this taking any advantage away from gensec/mtf, they still have their barricades, tower, catwalks, and dblock intersection, so I consider this a win-win. Are there any disadvantages of making this change to the server? If so, explain. - Realistically the stairs and elevator are the only available mediums to get to lounge/mines from lower, so disadvantage is no trolleys :(. Also SMT having to edit the map among other things. Who would this change mostly benefit? - Everyone who spends time in dblock Please link any workshop content, screenshots, or anything that you think may be helpful to those who view this suggestion -N/A Edited February 4, 2023 by Rex Velvet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ein Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 STRONG +SUPPORT The only issue I see that might happen with this is the issue of people running into lower D-Block to avoid getting killed (an OOC zone), otherwise, I see literally 0 negatives to this. RETIRED Security Colonel / Warden Legate / Juggernaut Enforcer / Research Administrator / M.A.D. Site Operations Chief / RRA Professor / MTF Delta-5 'Front Runners' Captain / Veteran Raptor Operative / Internal Affairs Agency Assistant Director / MTF Nu-7 'Hammer Down' Captain / Covert Agent / Deputy Head Field Training Officer / UN Global Occult Coalition Corporal / Combat Medic Tactical Paramedic / R&D Scientist / Marksman Recon Specialist / MTF Alpha-1 'Red Right Hand' Major / Enforcer Squadron Lead "We are the first line of defense. We are the first responders tasked to save those in danger. We have the responsibility to ensure the safety and well-being of all staff members. Because of that, you are the bravest men I have ever had the honor to serve with.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeferGaming Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 36 minutes ago, Ein said: STRONG +SUPPORT The only issue I see that might happen with this is the issue of people running into lower D-Block to avoid getting killed (an OOC zone), otherwise, I see literally 0 negatives to this. SCP/Medical Senior-Command/Manager/Head of Field Work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex-G Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Small +Support I think that adding the ability for D-Class to go to mines and the lounge during partial is a good idea. I don't like the idea of D-Class running up there to go fight Security from those locations. I would be ok with this update if the doors in Upper D-Block that connect the lounge and mines were made into level 1 doors. The second door could remain a normal level 0 door but the first door would be made a level 1. This would be manually opened during normal D-Block protocols but during Partial Lockdown it would be shut and therefor locked to D-Class. D-Class with a keycard cracker could still hack it open though. Other than that one concern good suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixx Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 +SupportI agree with another route being added that leads to the Mines/D-Class Lounge as currently D-Block is just a D-Class grinder and this could help D-Class have a lil more fun rioting and punishes GenSec form hardcore camping the elevator. However, it should remain that the elevator is the fastest route into Upper D-Block so this route would have to be long or jumps or something. However I think only 1 additional route should be added and it should lead to the mines, so for people who just want to mine their heart out can and D-Class who want to riot dont have to enter the blender that is the elevator. [ SCP RP ] Director of Research & Security || Armored Shield Award Winner || First Head Warden & HOPO || Security Artillery Unit || D-7025 || D-Class High Council || Former Head of Security || Former Admin || Former Event Team Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayaya Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 +Support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Velvet Posted February 6, 2023 Author Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) On 2/4/2023 at 9:45 PM, Hex-G said: Small +Support I think that adding the ability for D-Class to go to mines and the lounge during partial is a good idea. I don't like the idea of D-Class running up there to go fight Security from those locations. I would be ok with this update if the doors in Upper D-Block that connect the lounge and mines were made into level 1 doors. The second door could remain a normal level 0 door but the first door would be made a level 1. This would be manually opened during normal D-Block protocols but during Partial Lockdown it would be shut and therefor locked to D-Class. D-Class with a keycard cracker could still hack it open though. Other than that one concern good suggestion. My issue with doors requiring keycard access in dclass areas leading to other dclass areas is how it gives Gensec/MTF control of areas where dclass gameplay is oriented. Anything that is past the red line or leading to a restricted area is fair game. If Gensec wish to take control of what is essentially dclass area, it should be done so in a manner similar to a raid. Dclass may be prisoners that are to be contained, but putting keycard reqs on doors leading to and from dclass areas that are their center of gameplay would be like MTF being able to lock CI out of their rdm arena for short durations (even though they kill each other anywhere) not a complete denial of the area, but an unnecessary hinderance. To add on, I can easily see this being abused and used, when not on partial, to deny dclass a fast route to an area that is essential for their gameplay. However, if there were to be the implementation of something similar to a full lockdown on the old map, where very particular variables must be met and someone of high enough rank had to implement said lockdown, then I would be fine with it. Just keep in mind that these prerequisites weren't as simple as "dclass rioting" and were actually extremely specific and not easily met. Edited February 6, 2023 by Rex Velvet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex-G Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 9 hours ago, Rex Velvet said: My issue with doors requiring keycard access in dclass areas leading to other dclass areas is how it gives Gensec/MTF control of areas where dclass gameplay is oriented. Anything that is past the red line or leading to a restricted area is fair game. If Gensec wish to take control of what is essentially dclass area, it should be done so in a manner similar to a raid. Dclass may be prisoners that are to be contained, but putting keycard reqs on doors leading to and from dclass areas that are their center of gameplay would be like MTF being able to lock CI out of their rdm arena for short durations (even though they kill each other anywhere) not a complete denial of the area, but an unnecessary hinderance. To add on, I can easily see this being abused and used, when not on partial, to deny dclass a fast route to an area that is essential for their gameplay. However, if there were to be the implementation of something similar to a full lockdown on the old map, where very particular variables must be met and someone of high enough rank had to implement said lockdown, then I would be fine with it. Just keep in mind that these prerequisites weren't as simple as "dclass rioting" and were actually extremely specific and not easily met. I understand your point about D-Class having area's they control and Security needing to fight them off to gain control of an area. The issue is that the only areas where this happens is the lounge or mines. Both the Lounge and Mines are supposed to be largely OOC areas. The mines are for money farming and the lounge is for gambling. When D-Class use them to fight or to run away and hide into, it breaks the fight. On site-50, D-Class could only flee by jumping or taking the elevator down into lower D-Block. That was fine as Lower D-Block was not an OOC area. Now that all their main area's are OOC its hard for them to fight the same way and puts their options very low. So they end up abusing the Lounge and Mines OOC status and using them to attack Security. The point of the Lounge and Mines being OOC might come as a shock as most people don't know about that. When the map was made the mines were OOC and the Lounge was in-RP. Since the addition of the gambling machines that status has changed a bit to be much more vague. My final point is that if a method for D-Class to gain access to these area's outside the elevator and walking through upper D-Block is provided Security will need something to compensate as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalon Levi Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 15 hours ago, Ayaya said: +Support +SupportGood suggestion, hope this gets implemented. "So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God" ~ Isaiah 41:10Currently: Head Of Research | HOSM Sub-Zero | Ghost OA0 | Emeritus Professor | R.A.U Grand Commissioner Former: Security 1LT | Medical Supervisor | Moderator | Event Team Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayaya Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Hex-G said: The issue is that the only areas where this happens is the lounge or mines. Both the Lounge and Mines are supposed to be largely OOC areas. The mines are for money farming and the lounge is for gambling. When D-Class use them to fight or to run away and hide into, it breaks the fight. On site-50, D-Class could only flee by jumping or taking the elevator down into lower D-Block. That was fine as Lower D-Block was not an OOC area. Now that all their main area's are OOC its hard for them to fight the same way and puts their options very low. So they end up abusing the Lounge and Mines OOC status and using them to attack Security. Tbf D class has 0 other ways to combat gensec. Dblock is entirely one sided and even after getting past the main part they still have to deal with D5/E11 or other jobs camping dblock because theres nothing better to do. And if these areas are supposed OOC then why do I see people get gunned down in them during partial even if they are just gambling. Typically Dblock is only lost when the majority of the people in dblock have poor positioning and/or aim. And if there is Special forces or a Z6 in dblock it can be nigh impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Grayson Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 On 2/6/2023 at 9:59 AM, Ayaya said: Tbf D class has 0 other ways to combat gensec. Dblock is entirely one sided and even after getting past the main part they still have to deal with D5/E11 or other jobs camping dblock because theres nothing better to do. And if these areas are supposed OOC then why do I see people get gunned down in them during partial even if they are just gambling. Typically Dblock is only lost when the majority of the people in dblock have poor positioning and/or aim. And if there is Special forces or a Z6 in dblock it can be nigh impossible. this right here EX MAJ In MIL EX A2 In E4 Current VCMDR Of Sarkic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexxxx Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 +Support I agree O5 Former: DT CPT , CGO - Tenn Graneet , 31st VCMDR -> Havoc CMDR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Fox Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 +Support, holding d block is to easy now days, I want d class to have a better chance The best D class player to ever exist UwU >:3 Security best branch Owns: D-3621 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntR Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 On 2/5/2023 at 10:14 AM, Sixx said: +SupportI agree with another route being added that leads to the Mines/D-Class Lounge as currently D-Block is just a D-Class grinder and this could help D-Class have a lil more fun rioting and punishes GenSec form hardcore camping the elevator. However, it should remain that the elevator is the fastest route into Upper D-Block so this route would have to be long or jumps or something. However I think only 1 additional route should be added and it should lead to the mines, so for people who just want to mine their heart out can and D-Class who want to riot dont have to enter the blender that is the elevator. +support Easy for Gen sec to gold Dblock now. Would love to see a challenge for them. Hunt: Former: Shadow Legacy Senior Command | S.W.A.T | PD Command | State Command | C.E.R.T Command | FBI | SRT | E.M.S Command Former: Administrator for Police RP | Forums Diplomat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevlar_ Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 In Progress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevlar_ Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 Denied. The SCP-RP SMT has decided against adding this suggestion for performance reasons, the benefit to the server, or another unstated reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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