General Suggestion - Removal of 912

[Lafleur]

5 minutes ago, Flixy said:

+Support

Fuck 912 

I agree with thin 

YEAHHHHH

[MexicanGuy]

37 minutes ago, Sprink said:

+/- Support

Now here me out here I am fine with 912 being removed as a level based SCP but, what if Security could make it a sub branch? Make it a one slot job hand selected like 7101, we could give it a new SWEP possibly around the same HP, but actually give it fare SOP rules. What does everyone think?

no

[Shin]

38 minutes ago, Sprink said:

+/- Support

Now here me out here I am fine with 912 being removed as a level based SCP but, what if Security could make it a sub branch? Make it a one slot job hand selected like 7101, we could give it a new SWEP possibly around the same HP, but actually give it fare SOP rules. What does everyone think?

TOp 10 dumbesT thinGs in the GamINgLight ForuMs

[DumpTruck]

1 hour ago, Yato Sensei said:

+ Support

This SCP has been only a problem. For everyone, especially non-combatant branches and their protective units, people keep abusing those gray areas non-stop and honestly it's frustrating as hell. Get this SCP outta here! 

 

[Flixy]

58 minutes ago, Sprink said:

+/- Support

Now here me out here I am fine with 912 being removed as a level based SCP but, what if Security could make it a sub branch? Make it a one slot job hand selected like 7101, we could give it a new SWEP possibly around the same HP, but actually give it fare SOP rules. What does everyone think?

You guys are a starter branch. You don't need to be overpowered asf. 

[friendzone]

1 hour ago, Sprink said:

+/- Support

Now here me out here I am fine with 912 being removed as a level based SCP but, what if Security could make it a sub branch? Make it a one slot job hand selected like 7101, we could give it a new SWEP possibly around the same HP, but actually give it fare SOP rules. What does everyone think?

Honestly I doubt that would work, it is a good idea and I wish I could keep playing 912, but the fact is he can't remain in the server and not cause controversy without straying from his lore or nerfing him hard.

[The Gaming Goat]

2 hours ago, Shin said:

+Support

 

Reason: #Fuck912

Source: Me

[The Judge]

+support 

912 is garbage and everyone knows it.

 

 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Evil

[recon]

- Support

I do think that SCP-912 needs to be reworked/nerfed, however, THERE ARE BETTER OPTIONS THEN REMOVING IT.

1. SCP-912 is a great SCP for research. It can be used by JRs

2. Instead of removing it entirely, maybe try reworking it or nerfing it first?

Edit:

I just don't want this SCP to go away because it is a great SCP for RP around LCZ, great for research testing, and it helps gensec which lets be honest needs the help.

Edited December 9, 2021 by recon

[Darby]

6 hours ago, Loaff said:

Tbh, +support

The whole controversy on how 912 should work, who it can cuff, why it can cuff, the mechanics of its swep, the mechanics of its cuffs etc is just so tiring.

I think we'd just be better off without it. 912 doesn't even do a good job of assisting security, the vast majority of times 912 tries to help just ends up with 912 running into gensec's fire and making what should be just a few shots into trying to aim around 912, then what to do with the cuffed d class, meanwhile 2 other d class have taken advantage of the bickering to come up and stab both of them to death.

Then there's the part of it I'm quite passionate about and if you'll forgive my language: The dickheads who use 912's rules to just harass non-combatants and non-combatant branch's combat classes are just such a nuisance.

 

[xX_Assassin_Xx]

9 hours ago, Sprink said:

+/- Support

Now here me out here I am fine with 912 being removed as a level based SCP but, what if Security could make it a sub branch? Make it a one slot job hand selected like 7101, we could give it a new SWEP possibly around the same HP, but actually give it fare SOP rules. What does everyone think?

I agree with this rule, instead of outright getting rid of this SCP. We could turn into something completely different. There's a rule in the GENSEC SOP for Security CC's that i'd like to quote. "Security CCs cannot be used for MTF matters. This includes having your name as your MTF rank and name, patrolling HCZ with MTF, etc." This rule can also apply to 912 if we just rework and prevent minges from hopping onto it. So instead of flushing potential down the toilet, we can pick it up from the dirt and restore it. 
+/- support for the reason that minges hop on it

Edited December 8, 2021 by Assassin

[FusionThunder]

-Support 

Its a suit of armor with low hp and a baton. Cope

[Other Colt]

+/- Support

I used to like 912 but it's gotten worse, people do some way too serious roleplay and beat the hell out of everyone except Gensec and MTF and Staff can't do anything because apparently SMT has allowed it (Phill's reason), this SCP is just terrible now because of the grey areas and rules surrounding him. 

 

Changing to +/- on accounts of reworking him and maybe utilising him as a specialised Gensec sub branch. 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Other Colt

[J0LT]

+support

im not even CI anymore but i understand how unfair it is to be stunlocked

#FUCK912

[Sixx]

+/- Support

SCP 912 Can be VERY Unfair for CI, However I don't agree with it being removed. I think the SCP should ATLEAST be reworked first and then if it doesn't work out, removed. Its like the only SCP that helps out Security and isn't just another passive SCP that gets in the way. SCP-999 is a great example of this, SCP-999 used to be able to enter D-Block and heal like ALL of Security and take away from Medicals job and intern makes it harder for D-Class to kill GenSec. Then instead of just removing it that reworked it and no one complains anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I say there needs to be an MOTD update with more restrictive rules set in place and a possibly and HP/AP Nerf. 

[Tazza]

18 hours ago, Yato Sensei said:

+ Support

This SCP has been only a problem. For everyone, especially non-combatant branches and their protective units, people keep abusing those gray areas non-stop and honestly it's frustrating as hell. Get this SCP outta here! 

 

[Iceyy]

21 hours ago, Yato Sensei said:

+ Support

This SCP has been only a problem. For everyone, especially non-combatant branches and their protective units, people keep abusing those gray areas non-stop and honestly it's frustrating as hell. Get this SCP outta here! 

 

[Cosmic]

25 minutes ago, Ashe Fox said:

-SUPPORT

You guys are literally like a crazy mob, you see something you don't like, you want it GONE

Have ya ever heard of CHANGING how things work first? fully removing a ENTIRE JOB from the server should be the last resort!

 

Ideas for changes:

Replace melee with a damage melee that does about 25 damage and doesn't stun, making it a melee scp that assist gensec

Make it a GenSec only subbranch scp

Literally just make it so it can't attack ANYONE who isn't gensec or mtf

Make more specific and concise motd rules instead of it being super broad

 

 

As you can see, there are in fact, other solutions instead of fully removing it!

Well. The thing is, if you have been playing for long you'd know how many times 912 was changed/nerfed/buffed, people still want it gone after all the changes. 

Don't go off saying stuff.

+Support

[Cecil Stedmen]

+support

On this site it's been turned into a thaumiel that no one enjoys, get it outta here!

[Yamato]

21 hours ago, Sprink said:

+/- Support

Now here me out here I am fine with 912 being removed as a level based SCP but, what if Security could make it a sub branch? Make it a one slot job hand selected like 7101, we could give it a new SWEP possibly around the same HP, but actually give it fare SOP rules. What does everyone think?

I honestly think this is better than completely removing the entire SCP since, it's actually very useful for gensec and LCZ as a whole. Give it Rules that people that the 4th graders that play the scp can understand and not make it seem like a bad scp. I realize i've called myself a 4th grader but to be honest I'd be a chad 4th grader then because I follow MOTD and Rules from other sources such as MTF SOPs and SCP guides. I've never cuffed a non-combatant for having a gun out and have only given them a warninh obviously they don't listen but if gives me a good rep as a 912 player compared to others. Maybe increase the NLR to 4 minutes instead of 2 and decrease the stunlock duration.  then i'm sure it'd be better than what it is now.

[Some Weeb]

1 hour ago, Ashe Fox said:

-SUPPORT

You guys are literally like a crazy mob, you see something you don't like, you want it GONE

Have ya ever heard of CHANGING how things work first? fully removing a ENTIRE JOB from the server should be the last resort!

 

Ideas for changes:

Replace melee with a damage melee that does about 25 damage and doesn't stun, making it a melee scp that assist gensec

Make it a GenSec only subbranch scp

Literally just make it so it can't attack ANYONE who isn't gensec or mtf

Make more specific and concise motd rules instead of it being super broad

 

 

As you can see, there are in fact, other solutions instead of fully removing it!

There are better ways of communicating disagreement other than stereotyping everyone who wants to remove 912. There is literally no point in doing that unless you want to make yourself look ignorant.

21 hours ago, Flixy said:

You guys are a starter branch. You don't need to be overpowered asf. 

Yes they are a starter branch but that is the very reason they should have quite a few jobs and gadgets; To engage new players.

21 hours ago, Shin said:

TOp 10 dumbesT thinGs in the GamINgLight ForuMs

This is funny but he is just tryna suggest an idea and you saying this is a dick move 

 

 

Let me be clear I am not back seat moderating but rather saying instead of making usless/annoying/provoking comments say something useful towards the topic 

 

Personally I do not want 912 to stick, it has caused issues and has been removed in the past and here we are again. There is no point in keeping it.

However adding it to security is a different approach and could land in a better and more manageable position especially if Security Command monitor it cause then it will help weed out asswipes on the job.

 

+/-

Edited December 8, 2021 by Some Weeb

[Yeppes]

17 hours ago, recon said:

- Support

I do think that SCP-912 needs to be reworked/nerfed, however, THERE ARE BETTER OPTIONS THEN REMOVING IT.

1. SCP-912 is a great SCP for research. It can be used by JRs

2. Instead of removing it entirely, maybe try reworking it or nerfing it first?

 

4 hours ago, Sixx said:

+/- Support

SCP 912 Can be VERY Unfair for CI, However I don't agree with it being removed. I think the SCP should ATLEAST be reworked first and then if it doesn't work out, removed. Its like the only SCP that helps out Security and isn't just another passive SCP that gets in the way. SCP-999 is a great example of this, SCP-999 used to be able to enter D-Block and heal like ALL of Security and take away from Medicals job and intern makes it harder for D-Class to kill GenSec. Then instead of just removing it that reworked it and no one complains anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I say there needs to be an MOTD update with more restrictive rules set in place and a possibly and HP/AP Nerf.

-Support

A good 912 is a nice source of getting CI to interrogate which adds to the RP.

Three people with low/mid tier guns are enough to easily dispose of 912.

When it comes to things being unfair.. a lot of stuff is, but people often use arguments like "It's a lvl 100 job" or "It's a heavily restricted job" even "It's a donator job" which isn't really a good explanation, however there'd be way less people complaining if 912 was something locked behind more than the low level requirement it is now.

I also agree with most of the stuff quoted.

 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Yeppes

[Catalyst]

17 hours ago, recon said:

- Support

I do think that SCP-912 needs to be reworked/nerfed, however, THERE ARE BETTER OPTIONS THEN REMOVING IT.

1. SCP-912 is a great SCP for research. It can be used by JRs

2. Instead of removing it entirely, maybe try reworking it or nerfing it first?

 

1 hour ago, Ashe Fox said:

-SUPPORT

You guys are literally like a crazy mob, you see something you don't like, you want it GONE

Have ya ever heard of CHANGING how things work first? fully removing a ENTIRE JOB from the server should be the last resort!

 

Ideas for changes:

Replace melee with a damage melee that does about 25 damage and doesn't stun, making it a melee scp that assist gensec

Make it a GenSec only subbranch scp

Literally just make it so it can't attack ANYONE who isn't gensec or mtf

Make more specific and concise motd rules instead of it being super broad

 

 

As you can see, there are in fact, other solutions instead of fully removing it!

 

4 hours ago, Sixx said:

+/- Support

SCP 912 Can be VERY Unfair for CI, However I don't agree with it being removed. I think the SCP should ATLEAST be reworked first and then if it doesn't work out, removed. Its like the only SCP that helps out Security and isn't just another passive SCP that gets in the way. SCP-999 is a great example of this, SCP-999 used to be able to enter D-Block and heal like ALL of Security and take away from Medicals job and intern makes it harder for D-Class to kill GenSec. Then instead of just removing it that reworked it and no one complains anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I say there needs to be an MOTD update with more restrictive rules set in place and a possibly and HP/AP Nerf. 

Something to ponder over is the reason most of the people in this suggestion agree that the class should be removed is because this has already run its course, and most people realize it's beyond saving and its better to cut it off than to try to salvage something that isn't even worth the effort. 

People are sick of writing suggestions about 912. SMT are sick of making changes about 912. Players are sick of making reports against 912 players. Staff are sick of taking sits against 912 players. I don't think i need to remind everyone here that 912 has been changed countless times and has already been removed before and added back. 912 has been changed, and yet peoples opinions remain the same.

I mean, just look at this one suggestion. 912 causes nothing but drama, and that is NOT something that should be on the server. It would be better for SMT and the community as a whole to cut our losses and just get rid of the damn thing instead of making a suggestion every week changing something about it.

912 has the potential to be balanced, but it's just too far for that. there's so much more to focus on instead of constantly losing players and making people bitter and angry. This could be a great turnabout for the server, and i really hope that people understand how big of a difference this can make on the community

 

[Coltable]

5 hours ago, Sixx said:

SCP 912 Can be VERY Unfair for CI

I don't think this is the actually point of the removal in my opinion every week SMT is having to add or change a rule set in relation to 912, its getting ridiculous but I stand by the communities choice whether that be removal or change to the job.

[Shin]

1 hour ago, Some Weeb said:

This is funny but he is just tryna suggest an idea and you saying this is a dick move 

I humbly respect and acknowledge your distastefulness of this comment that I have initiated, however this future that I begin pursue with this comment was the only way I could express myself in a non-hostile way in a non-hostile environment without using a vile and vulgar vocabulary that have a 89.90% of getting me punished. Respectfully, I respect your respectful decision.