Ban Appeal

[Prada]

Steam Name: Prada

Ingame Name: Chief Sosa

SteamID: STEAM_0:1:572148835

Ban Length: 1 week

Admin that Banned you: Sprink

Reason for Ban: Racism, staff diss

Dispute: Was on dblock with 3 of my friends from another server messing around killing security. Gamik was nearby and I was micspamming lil durk crazy story 2.0 (not a racist song just explicit music), gamik heard me mic spam about 4 times didn't think he cared at all. I was then warned for racism but I was playing a song it's not racist. I also have 2 warns on the server. Don't see how its racist music when others have playing music on d block that have been worst then what I have played. Think the admin when a bit to far on banning me on a week.

[Sprink]

-Support

First of all Gamik stated that he did not hear you playing any music so that part does not matter. Second, during the sit after you played the song which had the N-Word in it multiple times you started disrespecting me and my voice/age. Wait out your ban!

Finally you have over 23 warns on Police RP and 1 warn on SCPRP.

Edited February 17, 2021 by Sprink

[Prada]

@Sprink does not matter if i have 22 warns on another server, i said in chat your 13 it's not player/staff diss. It wasn't a racist song either it's part of lyrics. Go listen to  King Von - Crazy Story, Pt. 3 (Official Video)

 

 

Edited February 17, 2021 by Prada

[tEDDY34]

+Support

After playing that music prada was warned for "Playing Music with Racist Words", playing rap with the nword in it isn't racist.  I don't understand why it escalated to a ban. I know he staff dissed as well but that itself should have only been another warn and possibly a jail.

Way too harsh of a punishment, clear violation of the staff handbook.
 

1 minute ago, Prada said:

@Sprink does not matter if i have 22 warns on another server, i said in chat your 13 it's not player/staff diss. It wasn't a racist song either it's part of lyrics. Go listen to 

 

Saying that he is 13 is you implying that he is too young/incompetent for his position, the staff dis is valid.

[Sprink]

32 minutes ago, tEDDY34 said:

+Support

After playing that music prada was warned for "Playing Music with Racist Words", playing rap with the nword in it isn't racist.  I don't understand why it escalated to a ban. I know he staff dissed as well but that itself should have only been another warn and possibly a jail.

Way too harsh of a punishment, clear violation of the staff handbook.
 

Saying that he is 13 is you implying that he is too young/incompetent for his position, the staff dis is valid.

The punishment was not a violation of the staff handbook as you state. On SCPRP racism is not tolerated in anyway shape or form. If you can figure out how I violated the handbook please inform me.

Adding on to my last reply this player had played multiple songs that had included the N-word. It was not like it was just one.

Edited February 17, 2021 by Sprink

[tEDDY34]

6 minutes ago, Sprink said:

The punishment was not a violation of the staff handbook as you state. On SCPRP racism is not tolerated in anyway shape or form.

It's not racism. He was just playing music that had the word in it. If you went to almost anyone in real life and played this kind of music in front of them they wouldn't find it racist either, it's just the art style and  culture. The music wasn't played with any malicious intent, it wasn't used to discriminate anyone, it was just played to be enjoyed.

This will be my final reply since there is no reason to further argue with your biased opinion.

 

 

 

[Some Weeb]

+support 

For a reduced ban since it was music however staff diss is completely valid

[~𝓢𝓞𝓤𝓛~]

57 minutes ago, Sprink said:

The punishment was not a violation of the staff handbook as you state. On SCPRP racism is not tolerated in anyway shape or form. If you can figure out how I violated the handbook please inform me.

Adding on to my last reply this player had played multiple songs that had included the N-word. It was not like it was just one.

just because it has the n word doesn't mean its racist. 

[Loaff]

-support 

Doesn't matter if it was just in a song, countless senior admins and even JMT+ have stated that SCP-RP has a zero tolerance policy for racism, even in a song. It doesn't matter if it's not in a racist context, just don't play a song with the n word in it, is it that hard?

[Warren Talos]

+SUPPORT 

music is music it don't matter if it had the n word its just the fact that he didn't say it 

and i don't think its a good reason for a ban to say staff diss cause he said you sound 13 its amateur to get offended by that sort of thing 

but mic spam i agree 

[~𝓢𝓞𝓤𝓛~]

34 minutes ago, Loaff said:

-support 

Doesn't matter if it was just in a song, countless senior admins and even JMT+ have stated that SCP-RP has a zero tolerance policy for racism, even in a song. It doesn't matter if it's not in a racist context, just don't play a song with the n word in it, is it that hard?

its art you say zero tolerance to racism so your telling me this is racist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO7T9KLI7qA&ab_channel=KingVon

 

[Gunther]

4 hours ago, Prada said:

does not matter if i have 22 warns on another server

It does and doesn't. It show you are clearly not new to the rules of the server and GamingLight. Playing music through your mic is against the rules, but not worthy of a week ban. +Support for a reduction of time. 

[ICE]

46 minutes ago, Gunther said:

It does and doesn't. It show you are clearly not new to the rules of the server and GamingLight. Playing music through your mic is against the rules, but not worthy of a week ban. +Support for a reduction of time. 

excuse me but mic spam isn't a global rule prp u can micspam as hobo and thats were he came from and plus im pretty sure Zeeptin stated that if a song had a racial slur it was fine as long as it not a song that is pushing towards racism

 

2 hours ago, Loaff said:

-support 

Doesn't matter if it was just in a song, countless senior admins and even JMT+ have stated that SCP-RP has a zero tolerance policy for racism, even in a song. It doesn't matter if it's not in a racist context, just don't play a song with the n word in it, is it that hard?

first of all its not racism if its a song thats not pushing towards racism

+Support
This was not deserved and if u didn't like the song he was playing atleast just tell him to change the song instead of instantly pushing towards a ban
As long as ive known prada he is reasonable

[Phillers]

5 hours ago, Prada said:

does not matter if i have 22 warns on another server,

It does, and staff is permitted to use that to determine the severity of future punishments.
 

5 hours ago, tEDDY34 said:

Saying that he is 13 is you implying that he is too young/incompetent for his position, the staff dis is valid.

I believe that the fact that Sprink made it to the position of Admin, is a member of both the Event Team and the Forum diplomats shows that he is most certainly not too young or incompetent for his position. I believe that this is a dissapointing view of the situation, certainly from a staff member.
 

5 hours ago, tEDDY34 said:

Way too harsh of a punishment, clear violation of the staff handbook.

It is not.

 

Now, as for the actual rules on the matter, we have 2. 

1st, Micspam. Rules say : 
 

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"Do not spam annoying sounds or messages on your mic or in the chat. This includes using soundboards, playing music, using voice changers, etc (Unless given permission by SMT or using for events)."

I'd say that by the users own admission, this was violated as I highly doubt he got permission from SMT nor is he an ET member.
However, this rule is often stretched, and playing music is often tollerated by the staff team, however rarely in D-Block. 


Then as for the racism, we also have a rule regarding that.
 

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Never harass and/or disrespect other players/staff.

Gaminglight does not tolerate bullying or targeting based on race, gender, sexuality, or other identities, nor racial slurs or anything that can be deemed offensive. Gaminglight has a zero-tolerance policy towards this type of conduct.

 

I believe that the word in question is generally regarded as a racial slur, and the rules are clear on that. However, I understand the people that claim that this is music, and thus a piece of art. I think it's up to SMT's discretion what we view it as, but personally I believe that the words "zero-tolerance" are quite clear.

Whichever way this appeal goes, it'll atleast clarify the rules for future situations that have the same issue.

 

[Gunther]

34 minutes ago, OG ICE said:

excuse me but mic spam isn't a global rule prp u can micspam as hobo

I didn't say global, when I mentioned the rules, I was referring to his 22 warns, showing he's not knew to the community and rules at all. Regardless, he clicked the Accept button when he loaded in, should have read the rules.

[Eternity]

Remember that all servers have different ways of dealing with situations. Don't use an argument from another server. 

[NeoID]

- Support

 

First off, already mic-spam is against the rules. We all know that.

 

Secondly. Even if the use of the N-word was in a passive sense in the song, it A: still shouldn’t be mic-spammed, and B: doesn’t matter. It’s just common sense to not micspam, and much less micspam anything with that word in use. 
 

And third, for the Staff Diss, though, maybe not a direct attack. It’s still unrelated to the original issue, and acts as a retaliation against the accusations. The intent behind it was clear.

Edited February 17, 2021 by NeoID

[jackyman21]

-support

your continued inability to read the rules on both PRP and SCPRP and your ability to get angry easily has led to consequences. Sorry, wait it out.

[Rookieblue]

DENIED

After taking into account the statements provided in this appeal, I'm electing to deny this appeal. One of the most important things to take into account is Eternity's statement: 

2 hours ago, Eternity said:

Remember that all servers have different ways of dealing with situations. Don't use an argument from another server. 

In PoliceRP, micspamming is allowed in limited circumstances, and they have their own style when dealing with issues. Here in SCPRP, micspamming is very occasionally tolerated, but typically not. Playing music over your mic is prohibited by the MOTD unless you have ET or SMT approval, which the appellate did not.

The second issue at hand is whether a racial slur inside a song being played counts as racism. As with everything that comes with staff issues, it's a grey area and depends on the context. If a player plays the song once and didn't know that it contained a racial slur, I'd be more inclined to get a verbal and call it good. However, a player knowing it contains the slur playing it repeatedly will get looked on more harshly. Additionally, from a global standpoint, if we allow the micspamming of songs using racial/homophobic/etc slurs, then we'll run into issues of bad actors using soundboards to use these slurs against other players, claiming that it's fine since it's in a song.

It is important to note that staff members absolutely can take into account warnings from other servers. It's ridiculous to think that a player can have dozens of warnings on another server with similar rules and allow them to claim, "well this is my first time here so I don't know the rules". Additionally, it would be even more ridiculous to allow the person that has prior homophobia warnings to claim that they didn't know that these types of slurs are prohibited. The main reasons that I'm electing to uphold the racism ban is because the player knew the song contained explict content, was micspamming without authorization, played the song multiple times, and has a prior history of using slurs.

Thirdly, in terms of staff disrespect, again, it's a gray area. The age of a staff member doesn't matter, only if they can do their job, so referencing someone's age or commenting on the pitch of their voice serves no legitimate purpose outside of trying to get a reaction. I'd say it would warrant a verbal warning unless it was continued after the verbal warning personally, but based on the ban length no time was added, so I'll elect to leave that in place as well.