SDFvzbdraefDempsy Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Steam Name: graygles Ingame Name: Dempsy Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:218729614 Ban Length: 1 Day Admin That banned you: Dang/Warro Reason for Ban: Prop Abuse x3 (banned on behalf of Warro) Dispute: I was banned for Prop abuse x3. I was jailed for about 600 seconds the first time, which I agree I was fucking around. The second time, I created a joke tombstone for a dead D-Class (Jackal). I didn't expect anything to happen from this as is a pretty small offence, and doesn't harm anyone on the server. My main basis for my argument is that if prop abuse is a warning, and you need 10 warnings to be banned, that's a real violation of the rules and can really be abused if it is kept that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zone Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) This was pretty dumb of a ban, especially for a trial mod to decide, honestly. The jailing is ridiculous, and the ban was even worse for something as minimal as prop abuse. No one was angry due to the prop placement, and there were probably no reports (as this is usually what happens with mic spam/propspam reports) and was punished purely by the mod. As well, Jackal is a friend of Dempsy's, so it is just a dumb joke. Another warn is much more appropriate for this, and this ban makes no sense. +Support Edited July 17, 2020 by Zone Ashie •﹏•#1201 Former CI 2LT Zone | E11 WO Nines 009S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Fizz-y Soda Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) + Support I've seen people get warning after warning for RDM or FailRP, then get kicked. This dude got 1 and gets banned. I think a day is too much for prop minging... Edited July 17, 2020 by [GL] Fizz-y Soda Pressed post by accident CI CMDR / CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dang Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I only placed the ban after being told you were prop abusing three times. In addition on the staff handbook it states 3+ Prop Abuse/Prop Block or Prop Block of Spawn - Formal Warning + Ban (24 hours). However I did not witnessed but I was informed by 2 tmods @Warro @[GL] Bazooka so they should have the answers. Also the tmods said they already warned you multiple times, so I hope I wasn't miss informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDFvzbdraefDempsy Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Dang said: I only placed the ban after being told you were prop abusing three times. In addition on the staff handbook it states 3+ Prop Abuse/Prop Block or Prop Block of Spawn - Formal Warning + Ban (24 hours). However I did not witnessed but I was informed by 2 tmods @Warro @[GL] Bazooka so they should have the answers. Also the tmods said they already warned you multiple times, so I hope I wasn't miss informed. When I checked my warnings I only had a single warning for that. Unless of course Mods can warn without telling you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zone Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Yes, but however, the true punishment is up to the admin on duty, which was left to you and Warro. Ashie •﹏•#1201 Former CI 2LT Zone | E11 WO Nines 009S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Fizz-y Soda Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dang said: 3+ Prop Abuse/Prop Block or Prop Block of Spawn - Formal Warning + Ban (24 hours). Interesting. CI CMDR / CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warro Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) The first time i warned him then when he did it again i look on the staff hand book it said jail for 600 secs so i did then bazooka said that he prop abused again so i looked and it said one day ban https://imgur.com/zrP1ENR Edited July 17, 2020 by Warro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giovanni Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 +support Very little prop abuse, possibly none at all, and no evidence was shown to Dang, which means that the ban was just based off the word of the trial mods, which shouldn't happen for a ban to be finalized, Dang should've gotten evidence from the Tmods, or gotten evidence himself. 1 Retired E11 CMDR | Retired Admin | CI CPT | Event Team Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hope Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) @Warro I do not see that you warned him the second time or a third time. Just to clarify, did you jail him for 600 seconds the first around? Edited July 17, 2020 by Hope osu! achiever? I don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warro Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Zone said: Yes, but however, the true punishment is up to the admin on duty, which was left to you and Warro. I warned him you can check warns when it did it the second time i jailed him then he did it the third time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDFvzbdraefDempsy Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warro said: The first time i warned him then when he did it again i look on the staff hand book it said jail for 600 secs so i did then bazooka said that he prop abused again so i looked and it said one day ban https://imgur.com/zrP1ENR Lets anyalize this. You warned me for prop abuse once. Then bazooka warned me. Thats 2 warnings. Wheres the third one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warro Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Hope said: @Warro I do not see that you warned him the second time or a third time, I don't see why a ban was valid. In addition, why were you jailing him for 600 secs the first time?? I warned him the first time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDFvzbdraefDempsy Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, Warro said: I warned him the first time yes but wheres the second or third? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dang Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Giovanni said: +support Very little prop abuse, possibly none at all, and no evidence was shown to Dang, which means that the ban was just based off the word of the trial mods, which shouldn't happen for a ban to be finalized, Dang should've gotten evidence from the Tmods, or gotten evidence himself. The evidence for me was on the logs he was spawning props multiple times on D-class. Edited July 17, 2020 by Dang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDFvzbdraefDempsy Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, Dang said: The evidence for me was on the logs he was spawning props multiple times on D-class. Sure but where are the warnings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dang Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, big man Dempsy said: Sure but where are the warnings? Warro told me he issued you a warning for the offence twice. and bazooka once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zone Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Dang said: The evidence for me was on the logs he was spawning props multiple times on D-class. Yes, but context is very essential for things like that, as there could have been reasoning for said prop spawn Ashie •﹏•#1201 Former CI 2LT Zone | E11 WO Nines 009S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warro Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 https://imgur.com/pUrx344 There is the warn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDFvzbdraefDempsy Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, Warro said: https://imgur.com/pUrx344 There is the warn Again That is one warn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dang Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, Zone said: Yes, but context is very essential for things like that, as there could have been reasoning for said prop spawn Clearly states on the MOTD that D-class are not allowed to spawn props at anytime. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warro Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I only have to warn once the other stuff is jails and then ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDFvzbdraefDempsy Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, Dang said: Clearly states on the MOTD that D-class are not allowed to spawn props at anytime. Regardless it is a warning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Shaquavias Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 +support Was very minimal prop abuse and didn't even use the props to a advantage definitely not worth a ban 23 minutes ago, Zone said: This was pretty dumb of a ban, especially for a trial mod to decide, honestly. The jailing is ridiculous, and the ban was even worse for something as minimal as prop abuse. No one was angry due to the prop placement, and there were probably no reports (as this is usually what happens with mic spam/propspam reports) and was punished purely by the mod. As well, Jackal is a friend of Dempsy's, so it is just a dumb joke. Another warn is much more appropriate for this, and this ban makes no sense. +Support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warro Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Giovanni said: +support Very little prop abuse, possibly none at all, and no evidence was shown to Dang, which means that the ban was just based off the word of the trial mods, which shouldn't happen for a ban to be finalized, Dang should've gotten evidence from the Tmods, or gotten evidence himself. There are prop logs showing him as an d Block spawning in props Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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