Something I have a problem with (although you could change my mind)

[GuyScience]

I'm new here. Not as much on the Gmod server, (17 hours) but I don't use the forums. I do though have one question and one suggestion that I'd like some feedback on.

 

The First would be about the large amount of SNRs (myself included.)

Usually, you can find a large amount of SNRs on the server, usually the same amount of SNRs as the rest of the PD(see image.) This is definitely a problem, especially since a lot of the stuff you can do are reserved to past this rank.

This is definitely a problem, which we need to fix. I don't really have much to suggest to fix this, which is why I'm posting it here, so we could hopefully get it solved. Something that is related to this is the role the PD plays in most situations.

Most times, all you hear from everyone is "PD, stay back." It's annoying to hear that all the time. What we could do is maybe during things like bank raids PD sets up inside the bank with their shields so it isn't as boring and we can watch the fighting at least. Also, if something goes wrong, there's a second line of defense. When it comes to the store robberies though, I don't have any ideas, sadly.

I also notice that most of the time the higher ranks of the PD aren't on (at least when im on) and that definitely is a leading factor as to why there are so many SNRs. Possibly we could have the other higher officers from the other divisions looking at our work and promoting us as well, too. I'd also like if the High Command of the PD were more active in observing the PD officers instead of driving around not really doing much. I could just lack experience though and not see them on often, which in that case I'm sorry for that.

 

 

My second question/problem is something that I just don't understand. I had gone up to the mayor's office to capture a criminal who ran in there, and a moderator (who I will not name) was watching me. I had cleared each room, saying my bind until I found him and I tased him (he had his gun out), and I got instantly grabbed by the moderator. The tased guy who also was a mod did explain the basis of taser rush to me and I understand what I did wrong. What I don't understand is why I need a mod breathing down my back when I'm doing my job. This part may be untrue, but in the elevator I remember the Mod telling me to tase him, which I don't really understand why he's helping me in the first place. What I do know was that he was following me and gave me a tip, which he shouldn't be doing since he's a staff member on duty and technically not part of RP. If a staff member would like me to name him I will gladly do so, but I don't want to get into any arguments. 

 

Thanks for reading my post and I hope we can have a constructive discussion in the comments.

 

[Dashiell]

Some points in this i agree with, some not so much.

 

The job of PD in active scenes is to secure it and call in tactical such as in real life, unless there is an active panic, or situation that directly involves you. I understand how it can feel like a grind, but the idea is to do your time in PD and then apply to join another division.

 

I agree, there are a lot of SNRs who do good work that should be recognized, and I agree that there is generally a command shortage in PD, as you see most of other departments having a command officer on almost always, and in PD there is about a LT+ on half of the time probably due to most of PD command being command/members of six other departments. .

 

On your second point:

Moderators on duty should not ever interfere with roleplay or make themselves known unless a rule is broken. That is unacceptable and I encourage you to report them if you have proof, because a staff member should never talk to players in roleplay situations unless broken rules. However once you taser rushed, that moderator on duty did have the right to break rp.

Edited May 5, 2018 by Dashiell

[GuyScience]

Some points in this i agree with, some not so much.

 

The job of PD in active scenes is to secure it and call in tactical such as in real life, unless there is an active panic, or situation that directly involves you. I understand how it can feel like a grind, but the idea is to do your time in PD and then apply to join another division.

 

I agree, there are a lot of SNRs who do good work that should be recognized, and I agree that there is generally a command shortage in PD, as you see most of other departments having a command officer on almost always, and in PD there is about a LT+ on half of the time.

 

On your second point:

Moderators on duty should not ever interfere with roleplay or make themselves known unless a rule is broken. That is unacceptable and I encourage you to report them if you have proof, because a staff member should never talk to players in roleplay situations unless broken rules. However once you taser rushed, that moderator on duty did have the right to break rp.

I do understand that RP does need to be kept with the PD, and I do respect that, but I also do think that we need more promotions handed out to SNRs so we can hopefully solve the command shortage.

 

On the second point, sadly I do not have any proof as I don't record my game, which means I am unable to report the staff member. Is there still anything I can do or do I just have to live with it?

[snookiebear]

Your job as a police officer is to secure the area and prevent people from entering the bank during a bank robbery. That is why there are tactical units (CERT/SWAT/SRT). I do understand that it is boring as a Police Officer to stay outside of the bank, but that's just how it is. Want to move inside and get involved in the bank robberies and such? Get to the specific rank for each department to be able to apply for it.

I totally agree with you on high command not be active. I barely see any high command on that are actively being engaging within the police department. I'm on the server like majority of the time and have yet to see someone who is on actively throughout the day. Nowadays, the current high command don't really do much because they are just getting promoted based on certain reasons which I will not go into detail about.

A moderator or any staff member should not be interrupting roleplay while on duty whatsoever. If you hear a staff member tell you something in game that interrupts your roleplay or gives you an unfair advantage of whats going on, I wouldn't necessarily say ignore them, but act like you dont hear anything because in a way, its metagaming. They should only be talking to you if you did something wrong or someone broke a certain rule. They also cannot be using their staff ranks as a way to "punishing" you if you did something wrong. The staff member you taser rushed should have contacted a staff member on duty and a sit would happen.

[GuyScience]

Your job as a police officer is to secure the area and prevent people from entering the bank during a bank robbery. That is why there are tactical units (CERT/SWAT/SRT). I do understand that it is boring as a Police Officer to stay outside of the bank, but that's just how it is. Want to move inside and get involved in the bank robberies and such? Get to the specific rank for each department to be able to apply for it.

I totally agree with you on high command not be active. I barely see any high command on that are actively being engaging within the police department. I'm on the server like majority of the time and have yet to see someone who is on actively throughout the day. Nowadays, the current high command don't really do much because they are just getting promoted based on certain reasons which I will not go into detail about.

A moderator or any staff member should not be interrupting roleplay while on duty whatsoever. If you hear a staff member tell you something in game that interrupts your roleplay or gives you an unfair advantage of whats going on, I wouldn't necessarily say ignore them, but act like you dont hear anything because in a way, its metagaming. They should only be talking to you if you did something wrong or someone broke a certain rule. They also cannot be using their staff ranks as a way to "punishing" you if you did something wrong. The staff member you taser rushed should have contacted a staff member on duty and a sit would happen.

On the first part, as I said before, I understand the RP part, but I can't actually "get a piece of the action" if 1, I can't get into said action, and 2, I can't get promoted because usually high command is either not online or driving around in their loud trucks with their friends, instead of getting active commanders into the roles in order to allow them to have fun. On the second one, I believe a staff member has already handled the situation as best as he could, which I am grateful for.

[Unkn0wn_F1R3]

Sometimes it depends what Timezone and when you play on the server, for example I play in GMT which the server usually hits a high of 60 players and not much PD. As command I ride with people but a lot of the time no one really stands out so I personally think that PD meetings could be a thing again if anyone would wanna do it - could be a PD meeting once a week so that any promotions in it aren't daily.

[Omnistar]

 

I do understand that RP does need to be kept with the PD, and I do respect that, but I also do think that we need more promotions handed out to SNRs so we can hopefully solve the command shortage.

 

On the second point, sadly I do not have any proof as I don't record my game, which means I am unable to report the staff member. Is there still anything I can do or do I just have to live with it?

There is no lack of command, Promoting SNRs to LCPL would create the same issue of mass groups of LCPL.

SNRs would get promoted if they deserved the promotion and caught commands attention, I think it would be a good idea to lower the reccomending rank to SGT+ Instead of LT+

[Unkn0wn_F1R3]

There is no lack of command, Promoting SNRs to LCPL would create the same issue of mass groups of LCPL.

SNRs would get promoted if they deserved the promotion and caught commands attention, I think it would be a good idea to lower the reccomending rank to SGT+ Instead of LT+

Sgt+ can reccommend bubut cant promote, lt can promote to lcpl

 

[GuyScience]

 

Sgt+ can reccommend bubut cant promote, lt can promote to lcpl

 

I do agree with the idea, allowing Sgts to recommend people. This would give a greater chance for those who do well to get ahead in the PD and allow for greater chances of higher ranked people, although as Omnistar said, yes there could be a flood of LCpls instead of SNRs. I agree with that, and hopefully the amount of promoted SNRs can equal the amount of promoted ranks in the other ranks of the PD.

Sometimes it depends what Timezone and when you play on the server, for example I play in GMT which the server usually hits a high of 60 players and not much PD. As command I ride with people but a lot of the time no one really stands out so I personally think that PD meetings could be a thing again if anyone would wanna do it - could be a PD meeting once a week so that any promotions in it aren't daily.

Yeah, I get that usually people do ride around, I'm on the East coast so my time zone is different from yours, which I understand can change the amount of people on, but I still think the east coast still has a lot of people, there should be at least 3 command on, although that could be too generous/too harsh.

 

I promote only promote people who I see active so mostly gmt players but seeming as you've put a lot of effort in to show us an issue maybe we can work something out for you ;) 

Yeah I see that there are a lot of people in GMT, so I understand that command may not be on when I'm on, but as I've stated there should be at least 3 command on usually. I don't doubt that some command is active, but in GMT, but I think that there is at least 5ish people on the East coast that should be on once or twice every few days.

[Unkn0wn_F1R3]

My point is that anyone can reccomend someone else for a promotion as long as it's valid, not just sgt+

Edited May 5, 2018 by -Unknown-

[Divide]

Some people just aren't ready for the responsibilities that come with a higher rank. It is important to make that people in higher positions are overall good officers and if that means holding some back until they mature I am fine with that.

[GuyScience]

My point is that anyone can reccomend someone else for a promotion as long as it's valid, not just sgt+

Yeah, that's cool.

Some people just aren't ready for the responsibilities that come with a higher rank. It is important to make that people in higher positions are overall good officers and if that means holding some back until they mature I am fine with that.

Yeah, that makes sense, but I still think there are so many SNRs that are able to be promoted but aren't.