Lowerguy Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 Your In-game: Lowerguy The admin's name in-game: Mitch Robinson The admin's steam name (If you know it): [GL] Jbane56 What warning did you receive: FearRP Evidence of the warn (REQUIRED): [AWarn] You have been warned by [GL] Jbane56: FearRP Why do you think this warn was false: Had A Weapon Out, Dropped it, And Pulled It Out Because Someone Was Trying To Arrest Me Any extra information: Past: USMS Chief Marshal Administrator | Secret Service Assistant Director| EMS Lieutenant |EMS Assistant Head FTO | FBI Special Agent In-Charge | FBI FTO Training Deputy Director | HRT Sergeant First Class | SWAT Private | DOC Sergeant CO | State Trooper | UMC Level 2 Mercenary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GL Illusions Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 uhhh @Jbane56 Platinum Donator | PD CPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BruceyBoyo Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 For informational purposes, I believe this is a clip of the situation (anyone involved can confirm or correct that as needed): https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/1k4aZYP51bB1qD/sZ5omJi7jncF?invite=cr-MSxrSTksMTkwNTY2MTYzLA 1 Deputy Commissioner of Police Former SCO19 Chief Constable | Reserve HRT Commander | Reserve FBI Assistant Director Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GL Illusions Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 + Support Mixed two !motd rules together, FearRP didn't apply in this case 1 Platinum Donator | PD CPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbane56 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) +Support After further reading of the MOTD I realized I mixed together these two different points: *You are not obligated to surrender to kidnapping or mugging if your gun is out, on or off safety, and you are not outnumbered" *Players, or groups of players, may not be put under FearRP unless they are outnumbered by the opposing group. The first point was part of the mugging rules, and the second point was under FearRP rules. I apologize for warning you for FearRP, I was completely in the wrong, so I will give you a +support. I hope I did not impede your playing for the night. And I Hope you have a good rest of your night -Mitch Robinson Edited July 18, 2023 by Jbane56 grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTime Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, Jbane56 said: +Support After further reading of the MOTD I realized I mixed together these two different points: *You are not obligated to surrender to kidnapping or mugging if your gun is out, on or off safety, and you are not outnumbered" *Players, or groups of players, may not be put under FearRP unless they are outnumbered by the opposing group. The first point was part of the mugging rules, and the second point was under FearRP rules. I apologize for warning you for FearRP, I was completely in the wrong, so I will give you a +support. I hope I did not impede your playing for the night. And I Hope you have a good rest of your night -Mitch Robinson Current Ranks I hold: ImperialRP: Super Admin / JMT, Senior Forum Diplomat, Support Advisor, Shock VCMDR SK385, DT MAJ RU8 / TI-23 F16, IC SGM / Riggs, IQ App. II PoliceRP: PD Deputy Chief 1K-4, SL Boss (Family Head), State CPT 1H05, CERT TL 1TL01, FBI AD RA13, HRT CPT LC2, DF CPL 1U21 Reserves: SRT MAJ 1X33, EMS Chief Car 1 Ex ImperialRP: Super Admin / JMT, Senior Forum Diplomat, DT VCMDR RU8/ TI-23 L21, 69th/ MC VCMDR, first ever ParaRescue Lead Marshal and last ever Rescue Squadron Marshal, Lord I, Purge CPL, IC CSVL SSS DME 2LT Maroon, Shock SPC/ SGT/ MSGT, K2S8 SK385, Pyke Muscle II JSR RussTime Discord DMs are always open (russtime) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 54 minutes ago, Jbane56 said: +Support After further reading of the MOTD I realized I mixed together these two different points: *You are not obligated to surrender to kidnapping or mugging if your gun is out, on or off safety, and you are not outnumbered" *Players, or groups of players, may not be put under FearRP unless they are outnumbered by the opposing group. The first point was part of the mugging rules, and the second point was under FearRP rules. I apologize for warning you for FearRP, I was completely in the wrong, so I will give you a +support. I hope I did not impede your playing for the night. And I Hope you have a good rest of your night -Mitch Robinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indicud Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 9 hours ago, BruceyBoyo said: For informational purposes, I believe this is a clip of the situation (anyone involved can confirm or correct that as needed): https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/1k4aZYP51bB1qD/sZ5omJi7jncF?invite=cr-MSxrSTksMTkwNTY2MTYzLA heyy how'd you get that heres how i will respond -SUPPORT FearRP - Act as If you would in real life Players must have a weapon OR taser out to put somebody under FearRp. If Government has you under FearRP and goes to cuff you. (Puts gun away, pulls out cuffs and starts placing you in cuffs.) You may not attempt to harm or further evade that police officer. For Example: An officer has a suspect under FearRP and right when the officer pulls out cuffs to arrest the suspect, the suspect cannot pull out a gun or run away. THIS EXACT SCENARIO IS DESCRIBED BY THE MOTD "For Example: An officer has a suspect under FearRP and right when the officer pulls out cuffs to arrest the suspect, the suspect cannot pull out a gun or run away." I was the officer, I put lowerguy the suspect under fearrp and then he pulled out a gun. This is plain as day, black and white, and smt will see that and deny this report. 9 hours ago, Jbane56 said: +Support After further reading of the MOTD I realized I mixed together these two different points: *You are not obligated to surrender to kidnapping or mugging if your gun is out, on or off safety, and you are not outnumbered" *Players, or groups of players, may not be put under FearRP unless they are outnumbered by the opposing group. The first point was part of the mugging rules, and the second point was under FearRP rules. I apologize for warning you for FearRP, I was completely in the wrong, so I will give you a +support. I hope I did not impede your playing for the night. And I Hope you have a good rest of your night -Mitch Robinson further more, you are not in the wrong mitch, the motd shows him clearly in the wrong. same with all of you -supporting, maybe you didnt comprehend the rules entirely but some of you are staff and should know better. PD SM DF CPT UMC LVL5 O O (this is supposed to be a police car) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, indicud said: heyy how'd you get that heres how i will respond -SUPPORT FearRP - Act as If you would in real life Players must have a weapon OR taser out to put somebody under FearRp. If Government has you under FearRP and goes to cuff you. (Puts gun away, pulls out cuffs and starts placing you in cuffs.) You may not attempt to harm or further evade that police officer. For Example: An officer has a suspect under FearRP and right when the officer pulls out cuffs to arrest the suspect, the suspect cannot pull out a gun or run away. THIS EXACT SCENARIO IS DESCRIBED BY THE MOTD "For Example: An officer has a suspect under FearRP and right when the officer pulls out cuffs to arrest the suspect, the suspect cannot pull out a gun or run away." I was the officer, I put lowerguy the suspect under fearrp and then he pulled out a gun. This is plain as day, black and white, and smt will see that and deny this report. In the video, you never pulled out cuffs, and I am pretty sure criminal needs to be outnumbered by gov to be put under fearRP. Edited July 18, 2023 by Antonio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indicud Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 Just now, Antonio said: In the video, you never pulled out cuffs, and I am pretty sure you need more than two officers to put someone in fearp you need to be outnumbered by goverment. 1. exactly, there is still a gun pointed at him lol 2. the rule states an officer an being a singular indefinite article. it has always been this way dont act like its a suprise that one officer can put one person under fearrp and arrest one person this is basic and has always been a common sense concept on the server PD SM DF CPT UMC LVL5 O O (this is supposed to be a police car) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, indicud said: 1. exactly, there is still a gun pointed at him lol 2. the rule states an officer an being a singular indefinite article. it has always been this way dont act like its a suprise that one officer can put one person under fearrp and arrest one person this is basic and has always been a common sense concept on the server Players, or groups of players, may not be put under FearRP unless they are outnumbered by the opposing group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indicud Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Antonio said: Players, or groups of players, may not be put under FearRP unless they are outnumbered by the opposing group. this relates to crim PD SM DF CPT UMC LVL5 O O (this is supposed to be a police car) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Antonio said: Players, or groups of players, may not be put under FearRP unless they are outnumbered by the opposing group. Not trying to be disrespectful but the rule in FearRP is "Act as if you would in real life" If someone has a gun pointed to you IRL are you gonna whip out a gun? No, and that doesn't matter that only means if there are more players near which lowerguy didn't have a family and Apis had a gun out first so Apis had Lowerguy under FearRP.Warn is valid- Support Edited July 18, 2023 by Retro Current: PD Sergeant Major | SRT SSGT | USMS Low Command CMA!|EMS PARA | PPD UDO Former: Purge SGM | Brawler(BDS) | Storm trooper LCPL | CI RCT | PoliceRP Senior Moderator | PoliceRP Event Team | USMS LTMAR(Best one frfr) | HRT SSC | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enkel Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 -Support When you are placed under FearRP under the proper circumstances, you should fear for your life and comply as best you can, such as during a mugging with a crim or when police draws a gun that points at you and you don't already have a weapon drawn to defend yourself. As can be seen, the officer clearly saw the suspect brandishing a gun, the suspect attempted to conceal the weapon, and the officer put the suspect under fearRP because there is an ongoing police inquiry. Given that he was initially placed under Fearrp, him pulling out and shooting in that manner is the very definition of breaking Fearrp, though it could in addition also be RDM. Overall from my perspective, the warn is rightfully given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark001 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 +support After reviewing the clip I have decided this is not a break of the MOTD, for everyone putting a minus support please guide your attention to this rule. "The player(s) must be outnumbered when the encounter BEGINS. FearRP does not apply if others in a group arrive after a fight has begun". For the people quoting the cuffing rule, please note that only applies if you already under fearrp, "If Government has you under FearRP and goes to cuff you.". Police RP (retired): Staff | PD Major | SWAT MSGT Imperial RP (retired): Naval Commodore | Staff & Gamemaster Military RP (retired): USMC Captain | DI LT | kamikaze pilot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GL Illusions Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 2 hours ago, indicud said: this relates to crim This is for both gov and Crim, 1 hour ago, k said: -Support When you are placed under FearRP under the proper circumstances, you should fear for your life and comply as best you can, such as during a mugging with a crim or when police draws a gun that points at you and you don't already have a weapon drawn to defend yourself. As can be seen, the officer clearly saw the suspect brandishing a gun, the suspect attempted to conceal the weapon, and the officer put the suspect under fearRP because there is an ongoing police inquiry. Given that he was initially placed under Fearrp, him pulling out and shooting in that manner is the very definition of breaking Fearrp, though it could in addition also be RDM. Overall from my perspective, the warn is rightfully given. This would only apply if he was being mugged or kidnapped. 12 hours ago, Jbane56 said: +Support After further reading of the MOTD I realized I mixed together these two different points: *You are not obligated to surrender to kidnapping or mugging if your gun is out, on or off safety, and you are not outnumbered" *Players, or groups of players, may not be put under FearRP unless they are outnumbered by the opposing group. The first point was part of the mugging rules, and the second point was under FearRP rules. I apologize for warning you for FearRP, I was completely in the wrong, so I will give you a +support. I hope I did not impede your playing for the night. And I Hope you have a good rest of your night -Mitch Robinson People should really read the direct quotes from !motd before they argue about this being right or wrong. I also don't see why people are taking this to heart so much. Mitch admitted to his mistake after rereading the MOTD, I suggest everyone that's -supporting this to do the same. Also the forums is not a place for blatant arguing, please keep this topic civil before the Diplomats have to lock this thread. 1 1 Platinum Donator | PD CPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, GL Illusions said: This is for both gov and Crim, This would only apply if he was being mugged or kidnapped. People should really read the direct quotes from !motd before they argue about this being right or wrong. I also don't see why people are taking this to heart so much. Mitch admitted to his mistake after rereading the MOTD, I suggest everyone that's -supporting this to do the same. Also the forums is not a place for blatant arguing, please keep this topic civil before the Diplomats have to lock this thread. FearRP is in ANY situation, the MOTD rule directly states "FearRP - Act as if you would in real life" which in any situation unless you have gang members near by which can outnumber the cop that pulls a gun on you before you can think about pulling a gun to get out of FearRP then you are under FearRP. Been the same rule for over 2 years(or more). MOTD Rules aren't clarified about this and should be. Edited July 18, 2023 by Retro Current: PD Sergeant Major | SRT SSGT | USMS Low Command CMA!|EMS PARA | PPD UDO Former: Purge SGM | Brawler(BDS) | Storm trooper LCPL | CI RCT | PoliceRP Senior Moderator | PoliceRP Event Team | USMS LTMAR(Best one frfr) | HRT SSC | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GL Illusions Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Retro said: FearRP is in ANY situation, the MOTD rule directly states "FearRP - Act as if you would in real life" which in any situation unless you have gang members near by which can outnumber the cop that pulls a gun on you before you can think about pulling a gun to get out of FearRP then you are under FearRP. Been the same rule for over 2 years(or more). Please reread this direct quote from the MOTD 12 hours ago, Jbane56 said: *Players, or groups of players, may not be put under FearRP unless they are outnumbered by the opposing group. Meaning if it's just one officer, he doesn't have to submit. Also the clip shows him originally walking with another person, sooooo Platinum Donator | PD CPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indicud Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, GL Illusions said: Also the clip shows him originally walking with another person, sooooo he wasnt walking with another person, he was harassing that person and threatening them with a shot gun, following that person, that's why i approached and asked him to put his gun down and his hands up. aswell as the fact that guys name was not the same family name as lowerguys. PD SM DF CPT UMC LVL5 O O (this is supposed to be a police car) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GL Illusions Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 1 minute ago, indicud said: he wasnt walking with another person, he was harassing that person and threatening them with a shot gun, following that person, that's why i approached and asked him to put his gun down and his hands up. aswell as the fact that guys name was not the same family name as lowerguys. If that's the case, I apologize for that one bit, but either way; 28 minutes ago, GL Illusions said: *Players, or groups of players, may not be put under FearRP unless they are outnumbered by the opposing group. This still applies Platinum Donator | PD CPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntR Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 22 hours ago, Mark001 said: +support After reviewing the clip I have decided this is not a break of the MOTD, for everyone putting a minus support please guide your attention to this rule. "The player(s) must be outnumbered when the encounter BEGINS. FearRP does not apply if others in a group arrive after a fight has begun". For the people quoting the cuffing rule, please note that only applies if you already under fearrp, "If Government has you under FearRP and goes to cuff you.". Hunt: Former: Shadow Legacy Senior Command | S.W.A.T | PD Command | State Command | C.E.R.T Command | FBI | SRT | E.M.S Command Former: Administrator for Police RP | Forums Diplomat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Forum Diplomat Message This post will be locked for the time being to prevent any more argumentative posts. SMT will review the appeal and make its decision when the time comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy James Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Accepted! Thank you for the report. Appropriate action against the player and or staff member will be taken to ensure that they receive the correct punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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