Kessel Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) What you want to see? - Change Rule #1 to allow code red if someone attacks an officer or citizen FIRST, and THEN flees. Why should we add it? - The first code red condition of the current MOTD requires us to wait for a suspect to shoot at us AFTER running before we are allowed to code red them. See Tennessee v. Garner: "Under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, a police officer may use deadly force to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect only if the officer has a good-faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others." I believe it would be more realistic to allow us to code red vehicles after they commit a violent crime and flee while still armed, as they could still go on to harm/kill others if they are allowed to escape. I do not believe that we should have to give them a chance to get out and shoot at us a second time before we fire into their vehicle, as the parameters for this case law would already be met, and they can still be considered a threat. What are the advantages of having this? - It's more accurate to real-world case law, and allows us to end a threat to the public sooner without putting officers or the public in greater danger, should they initially escape our sight. Who is it mainly for? - Government Links to any content - N/A Edited August 10, 2022 by Synr.gg | Kessel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Long Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 +support Please add this. Because someone shot me in the face and then ran and I could not do stuff. PD MSGT, Ex D5 SFTO MSGT Im back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Faustin Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 It's already a thing that once you've started shooting, the gov can shoot back. If they are shooting and then get in a car and try and drive off they are still code red already. I guess +Support but this is really already a thing. Right? Maybe reword MOTD a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy James Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 I see where you are coming from, but we are trying to avoid shootout situations and encourage more chases. Additionally, only tac and pd command can authorize a code red to ensure not every chase is a code red situation. While it might be slightly more realistic, this would take the server in a direction of encouraging gun fights and discouraging RP so for that reason im going to deny this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy James Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Denied. The SMT team for this server has decided against adding this suggestion for performance reasons, the benefit to the server, or another unstated reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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