Thins Fail RP Warn Appeal

[LilThinMints]

Your In-game Name: Thin

Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:419502660

The admin's name in-game: 1stSavagery

What warning did you receive: Fail RP

When did you receive this warning: 11/22/21

Please give a description of the situation that led to the warning: I was on my cc running around EZ when I ran into CI. There were about 8 of them and I was under fear RP. They didn't cuff me but got me to follow them. At a checkpoint, I hesitated to follow them. They were out of range so fear RP was broke but if I shot at the D-Class, which there were about 5, I would have died/ I was missing all my armor and at 150 hp.

Why do you think this warn was false: I was under fear RP until the very end where I chose not to shoot. Shooting would have instantly got me killed. I think the warn is false because if fail RP is "doing something inconsistent with what your character would do..." then why would a MTF operative throw away his life to kill a single D-Class?

Edited November 23, 2021 by LilThinMints

[Toasterr]

+SUPPORT
- Was under Fear RP when near CI
- Had a actual RP reason to not attack D class, that being losing their life in the RP scenario.

[Ya Boi Sawrunner]

Fucking Massive +Support

Thats...thats not even a valid reason to warn someone??? You are never forced to shoot at anybody. I have done Sarkic raids where I just dick around, bringing a stool from surface all the way to D-Block. I have been on RIS telling enemy combatants I wont bug them as long as they leave me and my escort alone. I have hung out with MTF as CI, and with CI as MTF. I have chosen not to kill or fight innumerable times, many of which where I could have easily killed the other player, without any real effort. This is quite possibly one of the most ridiculous warns I have ever seen. Like really? A FailRP warn for not being a suicidal moron and picking a fight with a bunch of people? Ridiculous.

[coint]

+Support 

Like this shouldn't have been a warn in the first place.

[Piller]

@1stSavagerYYour response please.

I'll be neutral until he can give his full side, however, I will say that it is FailRP to choose not to engage the enemy and to just hang around with them. So, if that's the case, or if Thin intentionally went up to them, then yes, it would be FailRP. Opposing forces are not allowed to hang out with the other in RP.

@LilThinMintsDo you by chance have a video of the situation? It'd make it a lot easier on SMT's end to see the situation unfold.

Edited November 23, 2021 by Pillercat

[Pure]

-Support

I can confirm cause i was in the raid tbh we didn't care about Thin in this moment cause we know most of us know in CI that RHO cc's are minges (from experience) we didn't even attempt to fear RP him or grab him as a hostage we just looked at him and went straight for HCZ he didn't even call it out or nothing he even followed us from EZ to the gate A elevator, Not to mention we HAD NO REASON FOR A HOSTAGE, i was the only RnD member on and i don't do test i mainly watch the ranks below me. 

[1stSavagerY]

1 hour ago, Pillercat said:

@1stSavagerYYour response please.

I'll be neutral until he can give his full side, however, I will say that it is FailRP to choose not to engage the enemy and to just hang around with them. So, if that's the case, or if Thin intentionally went up to them, then yes, it would be FailRP. Opposing forces are not allowed to hang out with the other in RP.

@LilThinMintsDo you by chance have a video of the situation? It'd make it a lot easier on SMT's end to see the situation unfold.

As there are no neutral CC's, and the Rho 36 CC's are MTF cc's and therefore follow MTF rules, he should've been engaged or ran away from them.  In the video I will link below, it will show briefly show that he was following the CI.  And as only 1 person had their gun on him at any given time, he was not considered to be under any failrp, as well as the fact as he didn't let anyone else know that there was CI which I can show via chat logs if needed as I do have screenshots of that as well.  I would also like to add that when I explained what happened in the call I was in, both Glados and soul advised me that I should warn Thin for FailRP as the Rho 36 CC's are MTF combatant CC's.

Here is the video proof of it all (as you can see, I initially thought it was teaming but I was advised by both staff in the call that it would be a FailRP warn that I should give him):
I would also like to mention that thin is telling them to brainwash him in chat as I spectate this happening, which is FailRP
https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/72641468/d1337ZCn6ZPz?invite=cr-MSxDSUcsMjg3ODQ5Nyw

I will be editing this comment as people respond

Sawrunner:
1)  I was flying around as that's generally encouraged for staff to do, I was not following them around and wasn't even aware that CI were raiding when I stumbled on them, the only thing I said that entire time was in chat saying "why are you teaming."  I saw something that shouldn't have happened, and acted on that.
2) As thin has many many previous warnings for FailRP, he should know better to not do this

Edited November 23, 2021 by 1stSavagerY

[Ya Boi Sawrunner]

45 minutes ago, Pillercat said:

@1stSavagerYYour response please.

I'll be neutral until he can give his full side, however, I will say that it is FailRP to choose not to engage the enemy and to just hang around with them. So, if that's the case, or if Thin intentionally went up to them, then yes, it would be FailRP. Opposing forces are not allowed to hang out with the other in RP.

@LilThinMintsDo you by chance have a video of the situation? It'd make it a lot easier on SMT's end to see the situation unfold.

Start warning the whole server then. Give me some warns then. People have done this kinda shit in front of SMT before, and there was no problem. You never have to shoot. I don't know why you seem to think its FailRP to not fire upon a group of enemies and die to a hail of gunfire. Furthermore, FearRP does not have to be announced. Once its requirements are met, it is automatic. 

Also, even still: Who gives a shit? This is a tedious, pointless warn, and we both know it. I hang out with opposing forces all the time. Not everybody is dry humping LMB hellbent on dragging their K/D to the stratosphere, we are still playing a game, one many of us use to socialize. If he wasn't helping CI or anything, whats the problem?

[DumpTruck]

8 minutes ago, Pure said:

-Support

I can confirm cause i was in the raid tbh we didn't care about Thin in this moment cause we know most of us know in CI that RHO cc's are minges (from experience) we didn't even attempt to fear RP him or grab him as a hostage we just looked at him and went straight for HCZ he didn't even call it out or nothing he even followed us from EZ to the gate A elevator, Not to mention we HAD NO REASON FOR A HOSTAGE, i was the only RnD member on and i don't do test i mainly watch the ranks below me. 

 

[Ya Boi Sawrunner]

1 minute ago, 1stSavagerY said:

As there are no neutral CC's, and the Rho 36 CC's are MTF cc's and therefore follow MTF rules, he should've been engaged or ran away from them.  In the video I will link below, it will show briefly show that he was following the CI.  And as only 1 person had their gun on him at any given time, he was not considered to be under any failrp, as well as the fact as he didn't let anyone else know that there was CI which I can show via chat logs if needed as I do have screenshots of that as well.  I would also like to add that when I explained what happened in the call I was in, both Glados and soul advised me that I should warn Thin for FailRP as the Rho 36 CC's are MTF combatant CC's.

Here is the video proof of it all (as you can see, I initially thought it was teaming but I was advised by both staff in the call that it would be a FailRP warn that I should give him):
https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/72641468/d1337ZCn6ZPz?invite=cr-MSxDSUcsMjg3ODQ5Nyw

Also, you are not forced to call out anybody. It has never been mandatory, just encouraged. 

10 minutes ago, Pure said:

-Support

I can confirm cause i was in the raid tbh we didn't care about Thin in this moment cause we know most of us know in CI that RHO cc's are minges (from experience) we didn't even attempt to fear RP him or grab him as a hostage we just looked at him and went straight for HCZ he didn't even call it out or nothing he even followed us from EZ to the gate A elevator, Not to mention we HAD NO REASON FOR A HOSTAGE, i was the only RnD member on and i don't do test i mainly watch the ranks below me. 

You dont have to make a callout, plus as a CI, you should know that just because its not explicitly asked for its not discouraged to get hostages or whatever should an opportunity present itself.

[LilThinMints]

I walked into a room with like 30 fucking CI  the last time I shot after that I was brought into a sit for breaking fear RP. I just decided to just say that shit was fear RP. What I saw was walk through a door, see 30 CI, say "oh shit" and decided to just go with it. If it still wasn't valid fear RP then literally 2 words would have made it valid.

[ItzGray]

16 minutes ago, Pure said:

-Support

I can confirm cause i was in the raid tbh we didn't care about Thin in this moment cause we know most of us know in CI that RHO cc's are minges (from experience) we didn't even attempt to fear RP him or grab him as a hostage we just looked at him and went straight for HCZ he didn't even call it out or nothing he even followed us from EZ to the gate A elevator, Not to mention we HAD NO REASON FOR A HOSTAGE, i was the only RnD member on and i don't do test i mainly watch the ranks below me. 

 

[Demon Dice]

17 minutes ago, Pure said:

-Support

I can confirm cause i was in the raid tbh we didn't care about Thin in this moment cause we know most of us know in CI that RHO cc's are minges (from experience) we didn't even attempt to fear RP him or grab him as a hostage we just looked at him and went straight for HCZ he didn't even call it out or nothing he even followed us from EZ to the gate A elevator, Not to mention we HAD NO REASON FOR A HOSTAGE, i was the only RnD member on and i don't do test i mainly watch the ranks below me. 

Okay yea ro walking with ci/dclass and not doing anything is failrp because it is a Nu7 cc, I wanna make this clear there is no such thing as a "minge" cc you cannot make up rules for a cc. Just because this rule was not enforced for a while doesnt mean it is not a rule and also you can see in him the clip asking to be brain washed and that alone if fail rp.

-SUPPORT

Edited November 23, 2021 by Demon Dice

[LilThinMints]

1 minute ago, Demon Dice said:

Okay yea ro walking with ci/dclass and not doing anything is failrp because it is a Nu7 cc, I wanna make this clear there is no such thing as a "minge" cc you cannot make up rules for a cc. Just because this rule was not enforced for a while doesnt mean it is not a rule and also you can see in him the clip asking to be brain washed and that alone if fail rp.

-SUPPORT

Bro I wanted to be brainwashed so I could actually do shit other than be held at gunpoint also jack shit was happening on site so I wanted to do something.

[Demon Dice]

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[Kvist]

15 minutes ago, Ya Boi Sawrunner said:

Start warning the whole server then. Give me some warns then. People have done this kinda shit in front of SMT before, and there was no problem. You never have to shoot. I don't know why you seem to think its FailRP to not fire upon a group of enemies and die to a hail of gunfire. Furthermore, FearRP does not have to be announced. Once its requirements are met, it is automatic. 

Also, even still: Who gives a shit? This is a tedious, pointless warn, and we both know it. I hang out with opposing forces all the time. Not everybody is dry humping LMB hellbent on dragging their K/D to the stratosphere, we are still playing a game, one many of us use to socialize. If he wasn't helping CI or anything, whats the problem?

If Thin is a member of MTF IC, he has to behave in a manner consistent with MTF. That means he is required to take an adversarial stance towards CI and a support stance towards the Foundation, ie. attempting to hinder their operations by calling out their raid.

He doesn't have to get himself killed in a stupid way, but he is obliged to work against CI as best he knows how. 

This is not a controversial take.

[Ya Boi Sawrunner]

1 minute ago, Kvist said:

If Thin is a member of MTF IC, he has to behave in a manner consistent with MTF. That means he is required to take an adversarial stance towards CI and a support stance towards the Foundation, ie. attempting to hinder their operations by calling out their raid.

He doesn't have to get himself killed in a stupid way, but he is obliged to work against CI as best he knows how. 

This is not a controversial take.

I mean if he was under fearrp in that case he should be helping them. It would be failrp not to. 

[Demon Dice]

7 minutes ago, Ya Boi Sawrunner said:

arent forums diplomats supposed to be neutral? Deleting points I am making doesn't seem like it.

I am allowed to have a opinion and I removed your comment because it was just in sighting arguments 

 

[Ya Boi Sawrunner]

8 minutes ago, Demon Dice said:

I am allowed to have a opinion and I removed your comment because it was just in sighting arguments 

 

So me talking about how Savagery felt it necessary to interrupt an RP situation to ask him, or why he was following him around in the first place, or about how we are supposed to use warns not just as throwaway but as when necessary, all that, and then some, inciting? Mmkay.

[Toasty]

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[MexicanGuy]

2 hours ago, Toasterr said:

+SUPPORT
- Was under Fear RP when near CI
- Had a actual RP reason to not attack D class, that being losing their life in the RP scenario.

 

[Toasty]

- Support

After watching that clip it is clear signs of FailRP, if the RHO was under FearRP then he would have been cuffed or left behind, instead the RHO decided to continue to follow CI and play music into their mic. Also adding onto the fact that the RHO wasn't shooting D-Class since CI was with them, the CI were past the CP and the RHO was alone with those D-Class and was able to attack them, one had a gun and the other two looked to have only fists. Rules should be followed regardless of it being a CC or not.

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4 hours ago, Ya Boi Sawrunner said:

Fucking Massive +Support

Thats...thats not even a valid reason to warn someone??? You are never forced to shoot at anybody. I have done Sarkic raids where I just dick around, bringing a stool from surface all the way to D-Block. I have been on RIS telling enemy combatants I wont bug them as long as they leave me and my escort alone. I have hung out with MTF as CI, and with CI as MTF. I have chosen not to kill or fight innumerable times, many of which where I could have easily killed the other player, without any real effort. This is quite possibly one of the most ridiculous warns I have ever seen. Like really? A FailRP warn for not being a suicidal moron and picking a fight with a bunch of people? Ridiculous.

 

[Piller]

Due to the testimony of others, including a CI member that was in the raid, along with the evidence provided by Savagery, and Thin's own record of warns, I believe that Thin (or "Noah Lee" as he put his name to at the time) had no intention of ever engaging the enemy and admitted to trying to get brainwashed, which is FAILRP in of itself. 

Massive -Support

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