Judge/ Defendant / Prosecution role reform - Denied

[williams245678]

What you want to see? - 

OLD

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Judge / Defendant / Prosecutor

You can only have a pistol for self-defense.!

You cannot commit a crime while in these classes.

Your job is to help people get out of jail, So RP situations out!

The judge cannot deal with a friend or individual they know this is classed as Fail RP. Your judge whitelist will be removed.

The judge must have a valid RP reason for setting someone free from jail.

If someone is not coming to a trial, you must advert a warning toward them 3 times prior to dismissing the case.

Adverts must be at least two minutes apart.

You cannot accept bribes. However, you can charge people 25k for a court case and for you to Defend/Prosecute a person. Court cases can cost up to 75k.

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You can  have class 1-3 Weapons for self-defense.

No one is above the law to include the Judge and other GOV. 

Failure to appear in court, after being summoned (3 times), will result in a fine. Failure to pay fine to the courts is considered FailRP. 

Fines can roll over and collect interest if person does not pay within 8 years (480s). Payment plans are authorized. 

Regardless of the offense, fines to the courts cannot exceed 5MIL.

While Judge is on, Courthouse belongs to Judge and not D.O.C. 

The Judge may order anyone to leave the courthouse if they are disrupting said trial, or being a general nuisance.

The Judge is in charge of appointing Bailiffs and can dismiss a Bailiff for any reason. The Judge may not force anyone to be Bailiff.

When EMS is on the Judge can order a psych eval on a suspect (if EMS agrees) and place the suspect in EMS care. EMS will then be responsible for time served as suspect will be released once deemed not a threat to public.

The Judge roll is a State Judge.  The Supreme Courts of North Carolina. All decisions are final. 

Decisions CAN be appealed if there is new found evidence. Or if there is concrete evidence of direct corruption. If judge is found being corrupted and this corruption directly influenced the verdict, which goes against concrete evidence then Judge whitelist is removed from said player.

Each Judge (depending on whos on) can decide what they will and will not accept as evidence. This must be established before each trial as to not waste time. The Judge cannot switch keep switching what is and what is not accepted evidence. This can be grounds for corruption.

The Judge cannot order around GOV however failure to follow a Court Order will result in a summons to court.

Each Judge must set Courtroom rules in 3DTEXTCHAT. Breaking only these rules will result in contempt. Any rule not placed is not considered Contempt unless said person is warned three times to cease and dismiss behavior. 

If the Prosecution does not have evidence the Prosecution must drop said charges.

Everyone including the prosecution has a right to a lawyer.

If the Arresting Officer cannot appear in court they must have a lawyer, or "Prosecutor" represent them with given evidence. The suspect may have a lawyer or "Defense" but is required to appear in court (For plea reasons). This is to ensure GOV is not tied up with court cases after every arrest. 

Here is the official flow of law: !MOTD>SOP>Federal Law> State Law> Local Law (made by Pres).

Interrupting a court case with aggravated circumstances (gun, weapon, etc.) is auto K.O.S. 

Jury duty must be requested by the Defense at the beginning of the trial. The judge has SIX (6) minutes to form a Jury of 4-8 players. This means the Jury must be in the courthouse and ready to listen in within 6 minutes. During this time the suspect must be placed in a holding cell inside the D.O.C (next to the sentencing person) awaiting trial.

The Suspect acknowledges waiver of rights to speedy trial if requesting a Jury Trial.

If the Jury fails to appear within 6 minutes then the Judge must continue on with the trial.

The Suspect does not get reduced sentence for "Time Served' while waiting for a Jury after requesting. 

 

There is no punishment for not showing up to Jury Duty (cannot force people to RP).

Only Civilian role may be called to Jury Duty.

The Judge must declare a mistrial if the verdict clearly shows biased or favoritism. Failure to due so is corruption and leads to whitelist removal.

After three overruled objections from one side (Prosecution, or Defense) the Judge can decide to end the case (As to save time). If the overruled objection is coming from the defense, the suspect will be jailed for said charges. If the objection is coming from the prosecution, the suspects charges will be dismissed.

 

In order to file a civil suit there most be concrete evidence (video proof, audio, or photographic) presented to the courts before the Judge can accept. 

 

Once the prosecution sets the charges the charges cannot be changed during trial. The person is either found guilty of said charges, or innocent. Choose wisely. 

 

GOV failure to pay fines to the court can result in a vote off the job (Judge must state reason as "FailRP" and Judge must first advertise the fine 3 times with two minutes in-between each advert).

 

Fines can only be issued to GOV through civil court, or contempt of court.

 

(These are just some additions with more to come later)

 

Why should we add it? - Judge/Prosecutor/Defendant  is beginning to be heavily used and this will broaden the RP and use of the Judicial role. This also eliminates any room for gray areas or confusion.

What are the advantages of having this? - The Judge role will be taken more seriously, Court cases will be way faster, eliminates gray area of what people can and cannot do on Judge roll.

Who is it mainly for? -  The rights of the people. Checks and balances within the server.

Links to any content -  N/A

 

Other: Also it would be nice if we can add a "U.S Attorney" role as a whitelist job Under S.S role and a State Attorney General role under PD. 

 

 The U.S. Attorney General represents the United States in litigation, oversees federal prosecutors, and advises the President and heads of federal, executive departments on legal matters. The U.S Attorney does not deal with state cases and reports directly to the S.S High Command. The U.S Attorney can reject a Presidential law and remove it if it is unconstitutional. The U.S Attorney  is responsible for representing the Federal GOV and may act on its behalf in all legal proceedings in which the Federal GOV is a party.

State attorneys general represent their states in litigation, oversee prosecutors, and advise members of their states' executive branches on legal matters. The State Attorney reports directly to State GOV High Command. The State Attorney  is responsible for representing any GOV under the State and may act on its behalf in all legal proceedings in which the State is a party. The State Attorney is responsible for setting plea deals before a trial, and is charged with the burden of proof if suspect wants to go to court. 

 

 

Feel free to leave suggestions in comments to add to or take away from my suggestions.

[Lime King]

-Support
-This is a semi serious PoliceRP server, not a court room sim
 

[williams245678]

1 hour ago, Lime King said:

-Support
-This is a semi serious PoliceRP server, not a court room sim
 

@Lime King Which addition specifically are you minus supporting?  Let us know so people can agree or disagree if its needed.

Edited October 13, 2021 by williams245678

[[GL] Locus]

-Support 
"While Judge is on, Courthouse belongs to Judge and not D.O.C. " It is within a prison there for by forfeit it would fall under DOC as its apart of the prison and within the grounds of the prison which in return is officially owned by the state trooper's which would mean that the judge would be able to just claim land if you think that they should be allow to own the courthouse while its on a state building.

"The Judge cannot order around GOV however failure to follow a Court Order will result in a summons to court." Now this one is just straight up contradictory you say the judge cannot order around gov but than say they can order or "summon" them to court which is the same as ordering it just in a reskinned way of saying it. 

"The Judge is in charge of appointing Bailiffs and can dismiss a Bailiff for any reason. The Judge may not force anyone to be Bailiff." This would fall to DOC/Other Government agency's. 
 
"The Judge may order anyone to leave the courthouse if they are disrupting said trial, or being a general nuisance." Once again the grounds are owned by state and upkept by DOC and other agencies if DOC needs assistance or if other agencies wish to help out DOC. Which means you couldn't just kick out anyone from the courthouse as this would than leave a loophole where you could attempt to kick out DOC and State Officials.   

"GOV failure to pay fines to the court can result in a vote off the job (Judge must state reason as "FailRP" and Judge must first advertise the fine 3 times with two minutes in-between each advert)." Demotion off jobs is meant to only be done by that specific Departments command or a staff member not a random judge. This would give the judge to much power as we are a semi-serious not a serious RP as @Lime King has mentioned before. 

"Fines can roll over and collect interest if person does not pay within 8 years (480s). Payment plans are authorized. 

Regardless of the offense, fines to the courts cannot exceed 5MIL."  Now this one would mean that the judge has more power to fine people than the PD does which in it self would lead to many problems a few I can even think of right now such as a judge deciding to fine a person 4,999,999. This also once again is a semi-serious server. 

"No one is above the law to include the Judge and other GOV. " Due to the way systems are set up within the server. You would need a staff member to get a corrupt a judge off the job which is already how it is. This part is just something that is already here just reworded. 

"There is no punishment for not showing up to Jury Duty (cannot force people to RP)." As you said here you cannot force people to RP but within this suggestion you wish to force the DOC/State to hand their own facilities over to the judge which would be in its own way forcing an RP  issues that can easily lead to being a argument when you try to kick a DOC member. 

"You can  have class 1-3 Weapons for self-defense." Also why would a judge need a AR or SMG I believe the old rule where it was only a pistol makes more sense than a judge pulling an AR/shottie out.

Edited October 13, 2021 by [GL] Locus

[King]

7 hours ago, Lime King said:

-Support
-This is a semi serious PoliceRP server, not a court room sim
 

 

[jackyman21]

+support

 

some of this seems good but lots has to be removed

[balloonhail4979]

On 10/12/2021 at 11:36 PM, Lime King said:

-Support
-This is a semi serious PoliceRP server, not a court room sim
 

 

On 10/13/2021 at 1:53 AM, [GL] Locus said:

-Support 
"While Judge is on, Courthouse belongs to Judge and not D.O.C. " It is within a prison there for by forfeit it would fall under DOC as its apart of the prison and within the grounds of the prison which in return is officially owned by the state trooper's which would mean that the judge would be able to just claim land if you think that they should be allow to own the courthouse while its on a state building.

"The Judge cannot order around GOV however failure to follow a Court Order will result in a summons to court." Now this one is just straight up contradictory you say the judge cannot order around gov but than say they can order or "summon" them to court which is the same as ordering it just in a reskinned way of saying it. 

"The Judge is in charge of appointing Bailiffs and can dismiss a Bailiff for any reason. The Judge may not force anyone to be Bailiff." This would fall to DOC/Other Government agency's. 
 
"The Judge may order anyone to leave the courthouse if they are disrupting said trial, or being a general nuisance." Once again the grounds are owned by state and upkept by DOC and other agencies if DOC needs assistance or if other agencies wish to help out DOC. Which means you couldn't just kick out anyone from the courthouse as this would than leave a loophole where you could attempt to kick out DOC and State Officials.   

"GOV failure to pay fines to the court can result in a vote off the job (Judge must state reason as "FailRP" and Judge must first advertise the fine 3 times with two minutes in-between each advert)." Demotion off jobs is meant to only be done by that specific Departments command or a staff member not a random judge. This would give the judge to much power as we are a semi-serious not a serious RP as @Lime King has mentioned before. 

"Fines can roll over and collect interest if person does not pay within 8 years (480s). Payment plans are authorized. 

Regardless of the offense, fines to the courts cannot exceed 5MIL."  Now this one would mean that the judge has more power to fine people than the PD does which in it self would lead to many problems a few I can even think of right now such as a judge deciding to fine a person 4,999,999. This also once again is a semi-serious server. 

"No one is above the law to include the Judge and other GOV. " Due to the way systems are set up within the server. You would need a staff member to get a corrupt a judge off the job which is already how it is. This part is just something that is already here just reworded. 

"There is no punishment for not showing up to Jury Duty (cannot force people to RP)." As you said here you cannot force people to RP but within this suggestion you wish to force the DOC/State to hand their own facilities over to the judge which would be in its own way forcing an RP  issues that can easily lead to being a argument when you try to kick a DOC member. 

"You can  have class 1-3 Weapons for self-defense." Also why would a judge need a AR or SMG I believe the old rule where it was only a pistol makes more sense than a judge pulling an AR/shottie out.

Well said locus

Edited October 14, 2021 by balloonhail4979

[Darby]

On 10/13/2021 at 4:53 PM, [GL] Locus said:

-Support 
"While Judge is on, Courthouse belongs to Judge and not D.O.C. " It is within a prison there for by forfeit it would fall under DOC as its apart of the prison and within the grounds of the prison which in return is officially owned by the state trooper's which would mean that the judge would be able to just claim land if you think that they should be allow to own the courthouse while its on a state building.

"The Judge cannot order around GOV however failure to follow a Court Order will result in a summons to court." Now this one is just straight up contradictory you say the judge cannot order around gov but than say they can order or "summon" them to court which is the same as ordering it just in a reskinned way of saying it. 

"The Judge is in charge of appointing Bailiffs and can dismiss a Bailiff for any reason. The Judge may not force anyone to be Bailiff." This would fall to DOC/Other Government agency's. 
 
"The Judge may order anyone to leave the courthouse if they are disrupting said trial, or being a general nuisance." Once again the grounds are owned by state and upkept by DOC and other agencies if DOC needs assistance or if other agencies wish to help out DOC. Which means you couldn't just kick out anyone from the courthouse as this would than leave a loophole where you could attempt to kick out DOC and State Officials.   

"GOV failure to pay fines to the court can result in a vote off the job (Judge must state reason as "FailRP" and Judge must first advertise the fine 3 times with two minutes in-between each advert)." Demotion off jobs is meant to only be done by that specific Departments command or a staff member not a random judge. This would give the judge to much power as we are a semi-serious not a serious RP as @Lime King has mentioned before. 

"Fines can roll over and collect interest if person does not pay within 8 years (480s). Payment plans are authorized. 

Regardless of the offense, fines to the courts cannot exceed 5MIL."  Now this one would mean that the judge has more power to fine people than the PD does which in it self would lead to many problems a few I can even think of right now such as a judge deciding to fine a person 4,999,999. This also once again is a semi-serious server. 

"No one is above the law to include the Judge and other GOV. " Due to the way systems are set up within the server. You would need a staff member to get a corrupt a judge off the job which is already how it is. This part is just something that is already here just reworded. 

"There is no punishment for not showing up to Jury Duty (cannot force people to RP)." As you said here you cannot force people to RP but within this suggestion you wish to force the DOC/State to hand their own facilities over to the judge which would be in its own way forcing an RP  issues that can easily lead to being a argument when you try to kick a DOC member. 

"You can  have class 1-3 Weapons for self-defense." Also why would a judge need a AR or SMG I believe the old rule where it was only a pistol makes more sense than a judge pulling an AR/shottie out.

Well Said Locus. 

[not ben]

- Support

As lime said this is Police RP not courtroom simulator

Just the same as SS protects the president and the president cant appoint themselves guards, the judge shouldn't be appointing bailiffs as this will only lead to judges appointing their civ friends to protect them with LMGs

The new jobs that were suggested seem highly unnecessary.

Max fine of 5mil? and not paying is FailRP? Makes no sense to make not paying an insanley large fine that some players do not even have a warnable offence. I might plus support the fines if it was something like max of 5k and not paying gets you wanted. I can see this being exploited by judges fining people left and right for 5mil just to get money.

None of this is really needed and I dont think would be a good thing to add to the server

[Bello]

On 10/13/2021 at 2:53 AM, [GL] Locus said:

-Support 
"While Judge is on, Courthouse belongs to Judge and not D.O.C. " It is within a prison there for by forfeit it would fall under DOC as its apart of the prison and within the grounds of the prison which in return is officially owned by the state trooper's which would mean that the judge would be able to just claim land if you think that they should be allow to own the courthouse while its on a state building.

"The Judge cannot order around GOV however failure to follow a Court Order will result in a summons to court." Now this one is just straight up contradictory you say the judge cannot order around gov but than say they can order or "summon" them to court which is the same as ordering it just in a reskinned way of saying it. 

"The Judge is in charge of appointing Bailiffs and can dismiss a Bailiff for any reason. The Judge may not force anyone to be Bailiff." This would fall to DOC/Other Government agency's. 
 
"The Judge may order anyone to leave the courthouse if they are disrupting said trial, or being a general nuisance." Once again the grounds are owned by state and upkept by DOC and other agencies if DOC needs assistance or if other agencies wish to help out DOC. Which means you couldn't just kick out anyone from the courthouse as this would than leave a loophole where you could attempt to kick out DOC and State Officials.   

"GOV failure to pay fines to the court can result in a vote off the job (Judge must state reason as "FailRP" and Judge must first advertise the fine 3 times with two minutes in-between each advert)." Demotion off jobs is meant to only be done by that specific Departments command or a staff member not a random judge. This would give the judge to much power as we are a semi-serious not a serious RP as @Lime King has mentioned before. 

"Fines can roll over and collect interest if person does not pay within 8 years (480s). Payment plans are authorized. 

Regardless of the offense, fines to the courts cannot exceed 5MIL."  Now this one would mean that the judge has more power to fine people than the PD does which in it self would lead to many problems a few I can even think of right now such as a judge deciding to fine a person 4,999,999. This also once again is a semi-serious server. 

"No one is above the law to include the Judge and other GOV. " Due to the way systems are set up within the server. You would need a staff member to get a corrupt a judge off the job which is already how it is. This part is just something that is already here just reworded. 

"There is no punishment for not showing up to Jury Duty (cannot force people to RP)." As you said here you cannot force people to RP but within this suggestion you wish to force the DOC/State to hand their own facilities over to the judge which would be in its own way forcing an RP  issues that can easily lead to being a argument when you try to kick a DOC member. 

"You can  have class 1-3 Weapons for self-defense." Also why would a judge need a AR or SMG I believe the old rule where it was only a pistol makes more sense than a judge pulling an AR/shottie out.

some of these are just unnecessary

[Eternity]

Denied. The SMT team for this server has decided against adding this suggestion for performance reasons, the benefit to the server, or another unstated reason.