Player Report - Amynard

[ScarWXLF]

2 minutes ago, [GL] Jack I the One & Only said:

My murder of cuffed/nearly cuffed class-d was to

1 - Prevent the feeding of SCPs

2 - Encourage the rioting of Class-D

3 - Kill the Class-D who wanted me to kill them (for the most part, I did kill 1-2 who didn't ask me beforehand to not allow them to be captured)

4 - Coordinate with CI in TS to distract and impair GenSec

This occured whilst CI were raiding, and was done intentionally. The Class-D that I repeatedly killed had told me beforehand that they were fine with it, and would not report it.

If a Class-D had be captured and brought out of D-Block, CI could have been called out or interfered with whilst entering/working in LCZ.

My actions were planned, and not spontainous.

Furthermore, as a Level 4 Personnel, I am allowed to in-lore KOS any Class-D for any reason I wish.

I saw no issue with my actions, being planned and for CI. The only loss was of Class-D lives, which, for foundation purposes, will die anyway.

 

[J0LT]

2 minutes ago, [GL] Jack I the One & Only said:

My murder of cuffed/nearly cuffed class-d was to

1 - Prevent the feeding of SCPs

2 - Encourage the rioting of Class-D

3 - Kill the Class-D who wanted me to kill them (for the most part, I did kill 1-2 who didn't ask me beforehand to not allow them to be captured)

4 - Coordinate with CI in TS to distract and impair GenSec

This occured whilst CI were raiding, and was done intentionally. The Class-D that I repeatedly killed had told me beforehand that they were fine with it, and would not report it.

If a Class-D had be captured and brought out of D-Block, CI could have been called out or interfered with whilst entering/working in LCZ.

My actions were planned, and not spontainous.

Furthermore, as a Level 4 Personnel, I am allowed to in-lore KOS any Class-D for any reason I wish.

I saw no issue with my actions, being planned and for CI. The only loss was of Class-D lives, which, for foundation purposes, will die anyway.

couldnt sum it up any better

[October]

33 minutes ago, B1s0nl0v3r said:

orders are not, do not doubt his work as he is higher than you

 

Maynard lacks authority in d-block. Obviously a GENSEC OFC doesn’t outrank him, but a CPL does. 

What GENSEC should’ve done is just ordered him to leave d-block. (Failing to do so is AOS’able). 

The big issue is preventing testing. That’s just not pog, and CI shouldn’t be interfering with testing. 

Edited August 6, 2020 by October

[Forehead man [GL]]

10 minutes ago, [GL] Jack I the One & Only said:

My murder of cuffed/nearly cuffed class-d was to

1 - Prevent the feeding of SCPs

2 - Encourage the rioting of Class-D

3 - Kill the Class-D who wanted me to kill them (for the most part, I did kill 1-2 who didn't ask me beforehand to not allow them to be captured)

4 - Coordinate with CI in TS to distract and impair GenSec

This occured whilst CI were raiding, and was done intentionally. The Class-D that I repeatedly killed had told me beforehand that they were fine with it, and would not report it.

If a Class-D had be captured and brought out of D-Block, CI could have been called out or interfered with whilst entering/working in LCZ.

My actions were planned, and not spontainous.

Furthermore, as a Level 4 Personnel, I am allowed to in-lore KOS any Class-D for any reason I wish.

I saw no issue with my actions, being planned and for CI. The only loss was of Class-D lives, which, for foundation purposes, will die anyway.

yeah thats gonna be a -support from me

[Gunther]

4 minutes ago, October said:

Maynard lacks authority in d-block. Obviously a GENSEC OFC doesn’t outrank him, but a CPL does. 

But yea I don’t think anything wrong happened here. What GENSEC should’ve done is just ordered him to leave d-block. (Failing to do so is AOS’able). 

I had not known I could ask him to leave. I had just became a CPL today and it had been quite a long time since I was a CPL last. However, I was not highest on.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Gunther

[October]

Just now, Gunther said:

I had not known I could ask him to leave. I had just became a CPL today and it had been quite a long time since I was a CPL last. 

I mean if there’s a SGT+ on I wouldn’t do it, but rule of thumb is once you’re an NCO you can tell people to leave d-block. 

[Jack II]

- support this seems like a branch side punishment more than a warn

2. Skela - supported this showing he didnt do much wrong

3. I find what he did reasonable for being a ci spy

 

Also d class are insanely replacable, so I am decently sure maynard level 4 clearance would be ablw to KOS them for any reason neccessary

Edited August 6, 2020 by Jack II

[[GL] Inaccurate]

The main reason I'm frustrated is that you were actively preventing research from doing their RP and interfering with gensecs to, so +/- Support leaning +. Also Maynard isn't supposed to do anything outrageous that would blow his cover, I would say Killin a bunch of D-Class would get him arrested. Also Level 4 can't Kos D-Class whenever they want.

Edited August 6, 2020 by [GL] Inaccurate

[Phillers]

1 hour ago, [GL] Inaccurate said:

The main reason I'm frustrated is that you were actively preventing research from doing their RP and interfering with gensecs to, so +/- Support leaning +. Also Maynard isn't supposed to do anything outrageous that would blow his cover, I would say Killin a bunch of D-Class would get him arrested. Also Level 4 can't Kos D-Class whenever they want.

Yep, this quite sums up my opinion on this matter. Maynard might be a spy and a traitor, but he still needs a legitimate reason to shoot people. Killing a bunch of Class-D and then hiding behind the fact that he's LVL 4 Personell and can do it because of that is not a valid reasoning in my opinion.

[Lefty]

5 hours ago, [GL] Jack I the One & Only said:

My murder of cuffed/nearly cuffed class-d was to

1 - Prevent the feeding of SCPs

2 - Encourage the rioting of Class-D

3 - Kill the Class-D who wanted me to kill them (for the most part, I did kill 1-2 who didn't ask me beforehand to not allow them to be captured)

4 - Coordinate with CI in TS to distract and impair GenSec

This occured whilst CI were raiding, and was done intentionally. The Class-D that I repeatedly killed had told me beforehand that they were fine with it, and would not report it.

If a Class-D had be captured and brought out of D-Block, CI could have been called out or interfered with whilst entering/working in LCZ.

My actions were planned, and not spontainous.

Furthermore, as a Level 4 Personnel, I am allowed to in-lore KOS any Class-D for any reason I wish.

I saw no issue with my actions, being planned and for CI. The only loss was of Class-D lives, which, for foundation purposes, will die anyway.

As many other people has said Maynard is a traitor to the foundation and there was nothing stopping you from calling Maynard AOS on comms if you felt like maynard has malicious intentions 

[Comrade Boekhom]

9 hours ago, Skela said:

Tbh you could've reported this to me you know

Also anyhow - support, Maynard is a traitor to the foundation, if you find this to be a problem, you may kill them no problem, since they're doing a thing that a foundation doctor wouldn't do

 

 

9 hours ago, [GL] Jack I the One & Only said:

My murder of cuffed/nearly cuffed class-d was to

1 - Prevent the feeding of SCPs

2 - Encourage the rioting of Class-D

3 - Kill the Class-D who wanted me to kill them (for the most part, I did kill 1-2 who didn't ask me beforehand to not allow them to be captured)

4 - Coordinate with CI in TS to distract and impair GenSec

This occured whilst CI were raiding, and was done intentionally. The Class-D that I repeatedly killed had told me beforehand that they were fine with it, and would not report it.

If a Class-D had be captured and brought out of D-Block, CI could have been called out or interfered with whilst entering/working in LCZ.

My actions were planned, and not spontainous.

Furthermore, as a Level 4 Personnel, I am allowed to in-lore KOS any Class-D for any reason I wish.

I saw no issue with my actions, being planned and for CI. The only loss was of Class-D lives, which, for foundation purposes, will die anyway.

 

[Hope]

9 hours ago, [GL] Jack I the One & Only said:

My murder of cuffed/nearly cuffed class-d was to

1 - Prevent the feeding of SCPs

2 - Encourage the rioting of Class-D

3 - Kill the Class-D who wanted me to kill them (for the most part, I did kill 1-2 who didn't ask me beforehand to not allow them to be captured)

4 - Coordinate with CI in TS to distract and impair GenSec

This occured whilst CI were raiding, and was done intentionally. The Class-D that I repeatedly killed had told me beforehand that they were fine with it, and would not report it.

If a Class-D had be captured and brought out of D-Block, CI could have been called out or interfered with whilst entering/working in LCZ.

My actions were planned, and not spontainous.

Furthermore, as a Level 4 Personnel, I am allowed to in-lore KOS any Class-D for any reason I wish.

I saw no issue with my actions, being planned and for CI. The only loss was of Class-D lives, which, for foundation purposes, will die anyway.

-support

Edited August 6, 2020 by Hope

[Rookieblue]

[Skela]

1 minute ago, Rookieblue said:

Now definitely this isn’t allowed.

[Rookieblue]

ACCEPTED

Based on the evidence and testimony provided, this player report has been accepted. The player will receive a formal warning for violation of FailRP - Maynard Rules Violation, and referred to CI command for further action.
 

The main point of contention in this report was not that this player killed numerous D-Class, but whether him doing so fell within acceptable Roleplaying. The player in question argued that he was taking planned actions to prevent other research staff from obtaining D-Class to conduct tests and prevent SCP breaches, as well as encourage rioting in D-Block to impact GENSEC's ability to respond to other locations in the facility, which does fall within Doctor Maynard's scope as a spy. However, taking such actions in full view of GENSEC and research personnel in the most populated area of the server violates Doctor Maynard's intention of being a spy. Specifically, the Maynard rule I'm referring to is, "Dr. Maynard should work with and coordinate with the CI. He should never do anything spontaneous or outrageous and should always be secretive." While in this case the action was not spontaneous, it was indeed both outrageous and overt, violating the last two provisions.

I am not concerned with whether or not you had the consent to kill the D-Class, as it does not matter whether they file a report or not for action to be taken for violation of server rules. No where in the MOTD, nor the staff handbook does it say that staff much wait for a report to be made to take action when they view a rule violation. This is intentional, as some players may not know how to report rule violations, or have some fear of doing so. As such, even if you have consent to kill the D-Class, unless you have an RP reason to do so, it would still constitute RDM or FailRP.

Additionally, the player's argument that as a level 4 personnel he has the in-lore capability to KOS any D-Class for any reason is uncompelling. While the server attempts to be as lore friendly as possible, certain rules and understandings of restrictions have to be in place for the betterment of all on the server. For example, O5 personnel are routinely on site in the Foundation during DEFCON 3 and 2 situations, when they would not be on site in the first place if there were any sort of indication of something going wrong. E11 personnel would have a response time of minutes to respond to the Foundation when things start to go bad, rather than a response time of seconds. CI would not be able to have an underground base within eye sight of the secret Foundation Site. While Doctor Maynard may be a ranking Foundation staff member with loyalty to CI, that does not give him the excuse to violate the MOTD rules that encompass every other branch regarding needing an RP reason to kill D-Class. Even D-Class are bound by this rule, only permitted to attack each other without reprisal in the designated D-Block Fight Club.