Meridian Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Okay so apparently it already was that, but yeah basically if it does turn out that we get called in too often we'd be more then happy to increase the requirements of who can call us in || Retired GenSec || STARS || J04 "Crest" || Foul Tarnished || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Inaccurate Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 (edited) +Support I've worked with security hcmd to make sure that this is balanced and fair. If you aren't aware, this job is tryout only, making it much harder to get into then either MTF branch, and with restrictions put on the job they can help MTF without taking their job and not shut down D-Class riots. Also gensecs job is to protect LCZ, not be in a constant TDM with D-Class. Edited July 24, 2020 by [GL] Inaccurate 2 "Pay increase declined. Welcome to the Foundation, get used to it." -O5-6 3rd time Head of Medical Staff | Ex-Director of Research and Security | Ex-Director of Utility | Ex-Senior Admin for SCP-RP | Ex-Admin for TTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mint Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Bro gonna be honest I love slaughtering d class MTF Nu7 Major || E11 1LT || Old CI SGT || Ret.LeadResearcher || || RHO-36 Penumbra Squad || || Mikes Favorite Son || OH3 RRH || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surge Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 +Support Gonna miss you RCF you was fun but your new successor wont fail you 1 Ret MTF Nu7 1LT SFTO Surge| Ret OH2 RRH , Retired SM Gensec | No officer that 24Pounds of plutonium isn't mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubonicc Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 +support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bread Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 (edited) sure Edited July 24, 2020 by Bread lol, lmao even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Mike Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Here we go. I dont want to start anything in this thread so if you have issues with what I say DM it instead of posting it here. I don't wanna be this person but if this gets accepted my branch will have no relevance. I dont think RCF needs to be removed. It should be revised, i dont think RCF is bad enough to get deleted. All of your jobs beat my Nu7 Operative, Medic, FE, and CRS. While your OPERATIVE mind the fact this is an operative. Beats My Officers and HSU. While your Overseer is better than my Commander. I understand if I receive hate for posting this but this is just my honest opinion. I dont want this to get accepted. Nor do I want it denied, I think it should be slightly changed to be a Security Job instead of an MTF SF Job. Instead of Making an entire new subdivision just change RCF have an ACTUAL sit down with your SA and High Command even maybe with your Senior Command. Change things, Revise SOP's add less restrictions. Don't make it impossible for Class-D or Even CI to have the chance to live or actually raid. If you guys wanna add something new that's fine. But this isn't the way to go with this. I'm looking from the View that this is more appealing than any MTF branch and if that happens to be the Case our numbers drop a lot. RCF just needs more attention and better guns than Riot Control or Sniper. The reason for it not being played isnt because it has no purpose. Its because it isnt looked after by High Command but instead thrown to the Heads of it to manage everything. We as High Command are Overseer's if we see an issue we address it as fast as possible. If my Subdivisions weren't doing well I wouldn't just remove them. I'd lower Rank requirements, Loosen up armory restrictions, try and buff the job. Not just delete it or Overly Buff it. Y'all had the opportunity to give RCF MAJOR Changes but instead we just delete it as a whole? Final Message: This in its current state doesnt seem like security but more of an MTF. If it was given: A. Less Total HP Pool. B. Not SF Grade Weaponry. C. A Revamp of RCF instead of a whole removal. It may have had a +Support from me but as of now it is a -Support. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 (edited) Ah yes a sub branch in the "Starter branch" that is more powerful then Omni-9 as a branch and majority of Nu7 and E11 classes Since this was just updated also thanks for the thumbs down lets goooo +Support RCF was dead and I'm glad it is being removed and replaced by something actually useful overall looks alright Security getting a SF moment When you still get thumbs down even after you change it to a +Support lets go Edited July 24, 2020 by Fool Changes were made to the update 3 1 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Weeb Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, [GL] Mike said: Here we go. I dont want to start anything in this thread so if you have issues with what I say DM it instead of posting it here. I don't wanna be this person but if this gets accepted my branch will have no relevance. I dont think RCF needs to be removed. It should be revised, i dont think RCF is bad enough to get deleted. All of your jobs beat my Nu7 Operative, Medic, FE, and CRS. While your OPERATIVE mind the fact this is an operative. Beats My Officers and HSU. While your Overseer is better than my Commander. I understand if I receive hate for posting this but this is just my honest opinion. I dont want this to get accepted. Nor do I want it denied, I think it should be slightly changed to be a Security Job instead of an MTF SF Job. Instead of Making an entire new subdivision just change RCF have an ACTUAL sit down with your SA and High Command even maybe with your Senior Command. Change things, Revise SOP's add less restrictions. Don't make it impossible for Class-D or Even CI to have the chance to live or actually raid. If you guys wanna add something new that's fine. But this isn't the way to go with this. I'm looking from the View that this is more appealing than any MTF branch and if that happens to be the Case our numbers drop a lot. RCF just needs more attention and better guns than Riot Control or Sniper. The reason for it not being played isnt because it has no purpose. Its because it isnt looked after by High Command but instead thrown to the Heads of it to manage everything. We as High Command are Overseer's if we see an issue we address it as fast as possible. If my Subdivisions weren't doing well I wouldn't just remove them. I'd lower Rank requirements, Loosen up armory restrictions, try and buff the job. Not just delete it or Overly Buff it. Y'all had the opportunity to give RCF MAJOR Changes but instead we just delete it as a whole? Final Message: This in its current state doesnt seem like security but more of an MTF. If it was given: A. Less Total HP Pool. B. Not SF Grade Weaponry. C. A Revamp of RCF instead of a whole removal. It may have had a +Support from me but as of now it is a -Support. I am honestly am agreeing with Mike here I am Security and I am rooting for a new branch but this isn't it this would make Security great at the expense of MTF this is a little extreme but there are also other branches that want to be bigger like Security but Wardens IK they are supposed to be more exclusive but people will be gunning for the class a lot and this will strip the MTF of their people so maybe we should take in consideration how powerful the wardens are. Edited July 24, 2020 by Dragin SCP-RP - Former: Moderator/ET, Security SFTO SM, Research Researcher, MTF Alpha-1 Sgt, MTF Alpha-1 "Alpha-6", Noob-7 Cpl, D5 RCT, R&D SIN, T-2 Blackjack, HFR, DHBI and E-11 DoFTO HCE SM | Current: CI Military DHLS SFTO SM Imperial-RP - Former - Moderator, Royal Guard Senior Guard, Shadow Guard Lead, Stormtrooper 2LT, 501st MSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Boekhom Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, [GL] Mike said: Here we go. I dont want to start anything in this thread so if you have issues with what I say DM it instead of posting it here. I don't wanna be this person but if this gets accepted my branch will have no relevance. I dont think RCF needs to be removed. It should be revised, i dont think RCF is bad enough to get deleted. All of your jobs beat my Nu7 Operative, Medic, FE, and CRS. While your OPERATIVE mind the fact this is an operative. Beats My Officers and HSU. While your Overseer is better than my Commander. I understand if I receive hate for posting this but this is just my honest opinion. I dont want this to get accepted. Nor do I want it denied, I think it should be slightly changed to be a Security Job instead of an MTF SF Job. Instead of Making an entire new subdivision just change RCF have an ACTUAL sit down with your SA and High Command even maybe with your Senior Command. Change things, Revise SOP's add less restrictions. Don't make it impossible for Class-D or Even CI to have the chance to live or actually raid. If you guys wanna add something new that's fine. But this isn't the way to go with this. I'm looking from the View that this is more appealing than any MTF branch and if that happens to be the Case our numbers drop a lot. RCF just needs more attention and better guns than Riot Control or Sniper. The reason for it not being played isnt because it has no purpose. Its because it isnt looked after by High Command but instead thrown to the Heads of it to manage everything. We as High Command are Overseer's if we see an issue we address it as fast as possible. If my Subdivisions weren't doing well I wouldn't just remove them. I'd lower Rank requirements, Loosen up armory restrictions, try and buff the job. Not just delete it or Overly Buff it. Y'all had the opportunity to give RCF MAJOR Changes but instead we just delete it as a whole? Final Message: This in its current state doesnt seem like security but more of an MTF. If it was given: A. Less Total HP Pool. B. Not SF Grade Weaponry. C. A Revamp of RCF instead of a whole removal. It may have had a +Support from me but as of now it is a -Support. 17 minutes ago, Fool said: Ah yes a sub branch in the "Starter branch" that is more powerful then Omni-9 as a branch and majority of Nu7 and E11 classes Chad of many names Professional Shit talker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridian Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, [GL] Mike said: If my Subdivisions weren't doing well I wouldn't just remove them. I'd lower Rank requirements, Loosen up armory restrictions, try and buff the job. Not just delete it or Overly Buff it. Y'all had the opportunity to give RCF MAJOR Changes but instead we just delete it as a whole? RCF has been dead since I joined the server, we tried to do something new with it but nothing really worked, we buffed the class it was still dead, we lowered restrictions, it was still dead. Yes this is a good class and yes this job CAN help MTF out, but can't MTF do literally everything security can and more? This class will be extremely restricted on where it can go, I mean it cant even go into D-Block unless its partial lock down ffs, it will have tryouts and 1 maybe 2 people will get in per tryout, and only the deputy head or above can do these, think about it this way, how many times do you see the RCFCO, HFTO or DHFTO in a day? I can easily say that you see them not on a lot more then you see them on, and even IF the deputy head warden and head warden were absolutely insanely active and had no sleep pattern, do you think they're going to want to hold tryouts every 5 minutes? Because I know I wouldn't, not only would it be extremely boring for the person hosting it it would also take the whole point of the sub-branch away. It's meant to be a prestigious thing that people can take pride in achieving, it doesn't matter if you're a CPT or a LCPL, it'll be skill and quick thinking that gets you in not rank, which is exactly why we give it good stats, it's all well and good giving someone a toy as a reward but wouldn't you rather have something that's powerful and functional? And to the idea of Security being a Starter branch, YES we are considered a starter branch, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy ourselves and sitting in D-block all day is not what i'd call enjoyable, not to say it can't be, but most of the time it's just sit and shoot and this can get boring especially for lower enlisted, so this sub-branch gives people a chance to do more and have a bit more freedom. 1 || Retired GenSec || STARS || J04 "Crest" || Foul Tarnished || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Mike Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Changes look good to me. Not to good not to bad. Ill change my -Support to a +Support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinnik Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 I have consulted with various branch leaders, and changed the branch update per their request. I hope you all will find this more reasonable and welcome our new sub-branch. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 +Support After these changes and a long boring talk. 1 SCP-RP Moderator | CI LTCOL Boozle LC32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Zeus Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 +Support Changes were made Former || SCP-RP: Commander of Epsilon-11 || Chaos Insurgency Captain || Senior Admin || Forums Diplomat || Rho-36 Arcane Autonomous Scout || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APE Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 +Support This is a very well thought out and innovative change for security. Ret. Security Colonel || Ret. Head Warden || D-Class High Council || Former MTF Alpha 1 'Red Right Hand' Juliette 69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangiatea Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Meridian said: RCF has been dead since I joined the server, we tried to do something new with it but nothing really worked, we buffed the class it was still dead, we lowered restrictions, it was still dead. Yes this is a good class and yes this job CAN help MTF out, but can't MTF do literally everything security can and more? This class will be extremely restricted on where it can go, I mean it cant even go into D-Block unless its partial lock down ffs, it will have tryouts and 1 maybe 2 people will get in per tryout, and only the deputy head or above can do these, think about it this way, how many times do you see the RCFCO, HFTO or DHFTO in a day? I can easily say that you see them not on a lot more then you see them on, and even IF the deputy head warden and head warden were absolutely insanely active and had no sleep pattern, do you think they're going to want to hold tryouts every 5 minutes? Because I know I wouldn't, not only would it be extremely boring for the person hosting it it would also take the whole point of the sub-branch away. It's meant to be a prestigious thing that people can take pride in achieving, it doesn't matter if you're a CPT or a LCPL, it'll be skill and quick thinking that gets you in not rank, which is exactly why we give it good stats, it's all well and good giving someone a toy as a reward but wouldn't you rather have something that's powerful and functional? And to the idea of Security being a Starter branch, YES we are considered a starter branch, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy ourselves and sitting in D-block all day is not what i'd call enjoyable, not to say it can't be, but most of the time it's just sit and shoot and this can get boring especially for lower enlisted, so this sub-branch gives people a chance to do more and have a bit more freedom. Because you didmt read it ill quote it below. 4 hours ago, Hoovy said: Alright so I don't know why these kind of posts keep turning into literal civil wars, but I'm growing super tired of it. Consider this everybody's warning to either cool it with each-other in future posts or In RP punishments will be given out to players involved. It's getting extremely tiring to have to do this with almost every branch update and every suggestion that could change a branch for the better if you give it a shot. PLEASE ONLY COMMENT PLUS OR MINUS SUPPORTS. "A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoovy Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Now that I've done the designated 'play cool with each-other' comment here's my opinion: I'm fine with everything (for the most part) besides the overseer job. Don't see a point of having even more jobs that only 1-2 people play on. Plus, most of the people who would play on that job already have Head of Security which is arguably a better job. Might be wrong in thinking this, and if you believe so please feel free to message me on discord (I'm sure you can find me on it. I'm the dude at the top of all the discords with this same profile picture) Former SCP:RP Event Team Leader (5/15/19 - 12/31/19) Current SCP:RP Head Administrator "I'll see you on the Dark Side of the Moon" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skela Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 (edited) After reviewing the changes, +support: Something I wanna suggest: I wanna see wardens being able to protect personals. Like command wise. Honestly I think that will be a cool addition, cause only guys really protecting is RRH and even then, they protect Oh five. Edited July 24, 2020 by Skela 1 Yuh imm@ Thash Dat B¡tch!!*^€{ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack (utility one) Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Skela said: Something I wanna suggest: I wanna see wardens being able to protect personals. Like command wise. Honestly I think that will be a cool addition, cause only guys really protecting is RRH and even then, they protect Oh five. I would love for this to be added. It gives some RP to a branch in my opinion would love it. It gives new atmosphere to those few who are selected. Also might add a feel or more importance and self worth to those who are escorting people who are higher than themselves, not that they don't matter I'm just saying it makes them feel accomplished and over all happy. I would love to vibe with a warden in medbay and just do some cool shit with him. I also feel with will add to branch relations as it will extend the contact between each other and HOPEFULLY strengthen these bonds. Again I would love to vibe with security more in LCZ to help with some RP scenarios. I already have some ideas of what they can do *laughs maniacally* lol. In full seriousness I love this new update as I already stated and also love the idea skela said. I just love this all together lol. Now with the new update we can all just vibe together, everyone's welcome to medbay :techthumbsup: There are gods in Alabama: Jack Daniel's, high school quarterbacks, trucks, big tits, and also Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridian Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Rangiatea said: Because you didmt read it ill quote it below. wan't meant in an argumentative way more trying to convince them to see our side of the story, though i guess that is an argument basically, but I apologize if it seemed aggressive or anything 2 hours ago, Skela said: After reviewing the changes, +support: Something I wanna suggest: I wanna see wardens being able to protect personals. Like command wise. Honestly I think that will be a cool addition, cause only guys really protecting is RRH and even then, they protect Oh five. and yeah this is an awesome idea but then, depending on who we'd protect, we may need to go into EZ which would probably encroach on MTFs territory more then this. || Retired GenSec || STARS || J04 "Crest" || Foul Tarnished || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enuz 💣 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Hoovy said: I'm fine with everything (for the most part) besides the overseer job. Don't see a point of having even more jobs that only 1-2 people play on. Plus, most of the people who would play on that job already have Head of Security which is arguably a better job. 2 hours ago, Skela said: Something I wanna suggest: I wanna see wardens being able to protect personals. Like command wise. Honestly I think that will be a cool addition, cause only guys really protecting is RRH and even then, they protect Oh five. 4 hours ago, APE said: This is a very well thought out and innovative change for security. +Support I think this is a cool and fresh update for security. I just really hope you guys don't put idiots on this branch and make sure you put people who know the rules on this branch. It is good to see a generation of GENSEC actually pushing for something extremely new! Former Head of Janitorial | HCZ man geer | lvl 70 life wizard | Roblox Clothing Designer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltable Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 (edited) Forum post states that Security Wardens Overseer is a LVL 4 personnel while the SOP states its LVL 3 personnel??? https://gyazo.com/b3fc52e268ba5e578a7fc3ae3825823f https://gyazo.com/f016d8b82b3c5fa7a4233db6888b03b0 There are some aspects that i feel will be abused or used in a way that players can "get away with" and not be warned for example: Any MTF MSGT+ being able to request Wardens into HCZ will just result in them being able to freely go in and out with how low ranking the requirement is for requesting them in. I do not know how often/how many MTF MSGT+'s we have on the server at any given time but i can imagine it would be often enough and there for i can see them being requested in continuously in HCZ "just for the sake of it". https://gyazo.com/dfd3eacae42dd1a503b323ef2aa83c61 Freely being able to spawn 2 barricades anywhere in LCZ will just result in disgusting zig zag defences or horrible choke points in LCZ in the way of most of Utility/research and of course CI, Spawning barricades at the Dblock intersection is acceptable and understandable! But spawning barricades down at Medbay or None Medbay checkpoint is ridiculous https://gyazo.com/85c572aaa0d16e693782eaaf8876b14c My overall view of this update is that it is less of a sub-branch update and more of a Gensec-SF's job addition, Even the structure of ranking within the branch were HCMD are Oversees of 1 main Head of the branch. -/+support Edited July 24, 2020 by 💖Coltable💖 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a frog Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 10 hours ago, Saiba said: +Support Replacing RCF is a big step in increasing activity in Security. We hope this will be beneficial and fun for all members of security involved! E11 1LT []FORMER CI MAJOR[]Former MTF OMICRON-9 CAPTAIN[]Former Janitorial Low Command[]Former E11 HCMD[Former overseer of D4,Former experimental, Former E4]"The fuck is a ethics committee?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAim Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 +Support for everything, but I'd like for one rule to be changed: "Wardens are not allowed to enter D-Block unless Partial Lockdown is currently active or if requested specifically by SCMD+ during a Hands Up Procedure." I want it to be unconditional that these jobs are to remain in LCZ/HCZ. Their loadouts make placing them in d-block (where their only enemy is class-D) ridiculous, no matter how high the rank requirements to call them in may be. Retired Imperial RP Super Admin and Grand General Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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