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I don’t think I need to remind anybody on here that suggestions are not the place for you to hash out beef with any other branch or person, so here’s what we’re going to do. I’m not going to lock this because I believe this type of change should be throughly talked about from the community, HOWEVER, any arguing from this point on, whoever it is, will either receive a demotion from their rank or a short ban on the server, depending on the situation.  Post your opinion, RESPECTFULLY, and move on. If you disagree with someone else’s opinion, please keep it to yourself because everyone is allowed to have differing opinions. Thank you.

Should Security CCs receive a nerf to NLR/Lose the ability to Enter HCZ?  

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  1. 1. Should Security CCs receive a nerf to NLR/Lose the ability to Enter HCZ?

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HUGE -Support. 
All I see is that CI just want to be OP so they take out everything that gets in their way (no offense).  This is just a another useless suggestion that makes it so CI can get INTO D-Block faster.
Also NEVER as my days as MTF have I seen a GenSec CC even BE in HCZ besides escorts. Now I don't speak for Nu7 but I don't see GenSec taking MTF's job, I get they (sometimes) help when a SCp in LCZ but that it.

Honestly this is such a stretch to get rid of something that isn't a big thing. I truly don't understand why people are complaining why GenSec cant be in HCZ.

dw.PNG.89aa7b2008343610a3d5f99e8c186b53.PNG This is from GenSec SOP. So you would LEGIT be changing the SOP.

2 hours ago, Giovanni said:

I would like to see that either their NLR is adjusted to an MTF tier class, around 3 minutes instead of 2, as the reason Security has 2 Minute NLR is to balance the fact that they are the weakest combat branch. 

Yes its a FACT that they are the weakest branch. Why you may ask? Because they go against D-CLASS who are barely armed and can be terminated easily.  However, there are time where D-Block is over run by D-CLASS. So why should they get their NLR timer 'buffed'. This part of your suggestion has NOTHING to do with CI. Which goes back to my first point.

Also (my last point), 

2 hours ago, Giovanni said:

Either Security CCs should have to do their job as security and stay in LCZ, instead of being MTF with 2 minute NLR, or have their NLR adjusted to 2 minutes.

The fact that this is lowkey branch diss but I digress. This is another stretch to say GenSec doesn't do their Job. But also, last time I checked. THEY PAID FOR A CC so why shouldn't they be able to get weapons, HP, and Armor that they PAID for?????

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5 minutes ago, Dr. Lee said:

HUGE -Support. 
All I see is that CI just want to be OP so they take out everything that gets in their way (no offense).  This is just a another useless suggestion that makes it so CI can get INTO D-Block faster.
Also NEVER as my days as MTF have I seen a GenSec CC even BE in HCZ besides escorts. Now I don't speak for Nu7 but I don't see GenSec taking MTF's job, I get they (sometimes) help when a SCp in LCZ but that it.

Honestly this is such a stretch to get rid of something that isn't a big thing. I truly don't understand why people are complaining why GenSec cant be in HCZ.

dw.PNG.89aa7b2008343610a3d5f99e8c186b53.PNG This is from GenSec SOP. So you would LEGIT be changing the SOP.

Yes its a FACT that they are the weakest branch. Why you may ask? Because they go against D-CLASS who are barely armed and can be terminated easily.  However, there are time where D-Block is over run by D-CLASS. So why should they get their NLR timer 'buffed'. This part of your suggestion has NOTHING to do with CI. Which goes back to my first point.

Also (my last point), 

The fact that this is lowkey branch diss but I digress. This is another stretch to say GenSec doesn't do their Job. But also, last time I checked. THEY PAID FOR A CC so why shouldn't they be able to get weapons, HP, and Armor that they PAID for?????

Why are you only thinking of CI? Not once CI was mention. Anyways CI is not trying to be "OP" This is for Gensec to not do any of MTF's Job that is not RCF. Also for the argument "CI is OP." Nah we just balance enough to handle 4 branches. That's our job.

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7 minutes ago, Dr. Lee said:

The fact that this is lowkey branch diss but I digress. This is another stretch to say GenSec doesn't do their Job. But also, last time I checked. THEY PAID FOR A CC so why shouldn't they be able to get weapons, HP, and Armor that they PAID for?????

A) that’s not branch dis. 

b) this is NOT a pay to win server.

Why is it that the class that is just as strong as an MTF cc (it has the same rules about designing it) gets to have 66% of the NLR timer? 

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8 minutes ago, Dr. Lee said:

All I see is that CI just want to be OP so they take out everything that gets in their way (no offense). 

Literally high ranking MTF and utility are  + supporting the suggestion, this suggestion is for multiple branches on the server not just CI.

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A) that’s not branch dis. 

b) this is NOT a pay to win server.

Why is it that the class that is just as strong as an MTF cc (it has the same rules about designing it) gets to have 66% of the NLR timer? 

I get that but You are still trying to take away things that they can purchase.

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Let's not argue guys.

And for the actual suggestion, +/- Support, Sixx put it well.

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3 hours ago, Sixx said:

+Support

Ngl we are MTF CCs that spawn in LCZ so I agree to make our NLR 3 mins but I disagree with restricting Security CCs to just LCZ. You have to remember that in order to go into HCZ as a CC you either have to be CMD or be a CPL+ with permission from WO+, and to go into EZ you have to be a SM+ with a MAJ+ escort.

Ngl, all these nlr stuff really be driving us mad lmao but +Support for Sixx's comment.

Y'all really wanna lock this suggestion dont you 

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59 minutes ago, Rektify said:

Ngl, all these nlr stuff really be driving us mad lmao but +Support for Sixx's comment.

Y'all really wanna lock this suggestion dont you 

 

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5 hours ago, Bionicle said:

I’m so fucking glad that most of us can actually agree on this issue. There is no reason for them leaving LCZ besides escorts, and if they are doing so, then the researcher should have a level 3 card. As for NLR, it’s just common sense. Due to the amount of power they have, and the recent influx of their activity, it’s ridiculously strong for 5+ Negev wielding 200 200 CCs to only have to wait 2 minutes.

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I am just glad we all can agree on something... Security CC's are kinda OP as well I mean. 10 CC's in LCZ with negevs? 

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from what iv seen, Gensec CCs are more powerful than than CI CCs, a force meant to protect a facility from prisoners should NEVER be stronger than a militarized force that has to combat another 3 militarized forces

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You guys are insane. If our CC's are stronger than CI CC's, that is NOT OUR PROBLEM. We all have access to the same exact stuff, you cant complain when you are able to get all that we have. Some security CC's already are RCF CCS because they  paid for it and bought the tranq. People paid the price, and they deserve what THEY  SPENT THEIR MONEY ON. Security becoming an issue for CI? Good, we aren't meant to be ploughed through. Is this what happens when security starts to be competent and proficient in CI engagements? Disappointing. We paid the price, same as anyone else. Instead of whining about a roadblock, adapt and overcome. Even if you don't allow these people to go in HCZ, we will still wait for you at both checkpoints. You will get the same exact outcome as you would when encountering security in HCZ, except you will encounter us at CP instead of HCZ halls.

 

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Just now, APE said:

-Support

You guys are insane. If our CC's are stronger than CI CC's, that is NOT OUR PROBLEM. We all have access to the same exact stuff, you cant complain when you are able to get all that we have. Some security CC's already are RCF CCS because they  paid for it and bought the tranq. People paid the price, and they deserve what THEY  SPENT THEIR MONEY ON. Security becoming an issue for CI? Good, we aren't meant to be plowed through. Is this what happens when security starts to be competent and proficient in CI engagements? Disappointing. We paid the price, same as anyone else. Instead of whining about a roadblock, adapt and overcome. Even if you don't allow these people to go in HCZ, we will still wait for you at both checkpoints. You will get the same exact outcome as you would when encountering security in HCZ, except you will encounter us at CP instead of HCZ halls.

 

Hello I believe you’re missing the picture! We’re only saying that y’all going to hcz to do MTF’s job is not alright!

Also I highly suggest you change your cockiness! Cause that’s is not a way to get your message across! This just proves that the message got completely through one ear and out the other! Now please, reread the problem, understand the issue, calm down, and know your place! That is not how you should act, especially as a command member. This is one way to start a forum war.

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6 hours ago, Sixx said:

Ngl we are MTF CCs that spawn in LCZ so I agree to make our NLR 3 mins but I disagree with restricting Security CCs to just LCZ. You have to remember that in order to go into HCZ as a CC you either have to be CMD or be a CPL+ with permission from WO+, and to go into EZ you have to be a SM+ with a MAJ+ escort.

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10 minutes ago, Skela said:

Hello I believe you’re missing the picture! We’re only saying that y’all going to hcz to do MTF’s job is not alright!

Also I highly suggest you change your cockiness! Cause that’s is not a way to get your message across! This just proves that the message got completely through one ear and out the other! Now please, reread the problem, understand the issue, calm down, and know your place! That is not how you should act, especially as a command member. This is one way to start a forum war.

Also for any ci that argues please hold it, otherwise I’ll strike you.

Nothing cocky about it. I have been hearing so many complaints about new gensec ccs from CI. Security are getting better and that's a fact. I am saying that even if we aren't permitted to go into HCZ anymore, which is obviously a huge benefit for CI, the outcome wont change. Security would still be annoying as hell to get through. CI absolutely rams security right where it hurts when our CCs are offline lol, we all know that to be true. 

Everyone complains about our cc's when any other cc can get the same weapons and armor. You don't want security to do mtfs job, but others besides you have stated why they believe this suggestion should be accepted. So I addressed their complaints as well. Despite the hardy tone of my writing, It isn't my intention to give off any bravado. You are right when implying that it is not just about CI, but I myself chose to comment on why I believe CI's arguments don't sit right with me. I chose to address how this post relates to CI rather than any of the other branches. I could have given my opinion on why I don't support the reasons those not in CI are giving, but I decided not too because in a post that relates to the roles of multiple branches, I think it is safe to comment on whichever branches arguments I would like to oppose. 

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1 minute ago, APE said:

Nothing cocky about it. I have been hearing so many complaints about new gensec ccs from CI. Security are getting better and that's a fact. I am saying that even if we aren't permitted to go into HCZ anymore, which is obviously a huge benefit for CI, the outcome wont change. Security would still be annoying as hell to get through. Everyone complains about our cc's when any other cc can get the same weapons and armor. You don't want security to do mtfs job, but others besides you have stated why they believe this suggestion should be accepted. So I addressed their complaints as well. Despite the hardy tone of my writing, It isn't my intention to give off any bravado. You are right when implying that it is not just about CI, but I myself chose to comment on why I believe CI's arguments don't sit right with me. I chose to address how this post relates to CI rather than any of the other branches. I could have given my opinion on why I don't support the reasons those not in CI are giving, but I decided not too because in a post that relates to the roles of multiple branches, I think it is safe to comment on whichever branches arguments I would like to oppose. 

I feel like you're missing the point that security CC's are get a reduced NLR timer while being equal to MTF CC's in power which doesn't exactly make sense as it's a benefit with no drawback for the same price, which kinda doesn't make sense

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7 hours ago, Ritz said:

Security CC's ATM are MTF CC's but they have 1/3 of their NLR shaved off because they spawn in LCZ

They need a drawback

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Just now, Ritz said:

I feel like you're missing the point that security CC's are get a reduced NLR timer while being equal to MTF CC's in power which doesn't exactly make sense as it's a benefit with no drawback for the same price, which kinda doesn't make sense

I never mentioned having any opposition to the nlr getting increased, I would not mind if it did. It is the HCZ I have an issue with lol

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1 minute ago, APE said:

I never mentioned having any opposition to the nlr getting increased, I would not mind if it did. It is the HCZ I have an issue with lol

oh ok, i misunderstood what you were going for
pretty sure the suggestion is intended to be an either or thing

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Why are security CC so thick anyway? 200 Health And Armor to me starts making you a threat to CI. Anything below that you might as well be a turkey to shoot unless your a sniper. These guys are better then E11 enlisted with there better guns and higher armor/health. HOW AND WHY!? They are security. Are'nt they supposed to be weaker then MTF?  

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