Security Branch Update [7/9/2020] - Accepted

[Comrade Boekhom]

1 hour ago, Ritz said:

 

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security shouldn't have the highest damage sniper in the game

The ithica is too strong of a shotgun to be left on a class that can be used by a CPL+

Last time i checked the famas had 850 fire rate and about 27 damage l for refrence that would kill a d-class in about half a second or in about 5 shots or a d-class cc in 10 shots or a second

idk how hard it is to get this class but this is one of the best shotguns in the game

 

Unless these things are changed I'm leaving a -Support  due to the fact that at the end of the day, your main job is to deal with d-class which at most have 200 combined (a diamond or a cc) which these weapons are overkill for

 

[Phillers]

+Support, cooler models.

[Dang]

+/- Support

- I like the update with the models and most of the weapons.

- I just feel that the gensec sniper class should not have the best sniper considering they are fighting people with 100hp or some times 100 100.

- Also I feel the riot control should not have the ethica considering it is a SF weapon and it is extremely powerful.

- I understand that it is nice to have good quality weapons however I hate to lie but gensecs weaponry is better than E11 and gensec is most of the time only fighting D-class with 100 100.

 

 

Edited July 10, 2020 by Dang

[Meridian]

7 minutes ago, Dang said:

- Also I feel the riot control should not have the ethica considering it is a SF weapon and it is extremely powerful.

idk what SF it's on but it's also on Omi-9 genetic specialist and maybe i'm just bad but I really don't think its any more powerful then most other shotguns excepting it's range.

 

9 minutes ago, Dang said:

- I just feel that the gensec sniper class should not have the best sniper considering they are fighting people with 100hp or some times 100 100.

I completely understand this in all honestly, it's pretty over the top for D-Class, that being said, you also need to be a SFC to get this job and as said earlier if you miss a shot and someone gets too close your chances of survival drop drastically  which I think balances it off a bit.

 

11 minutes ago, Dang said:

- I understand that it is nice to have good quality weapons however I hate to lie but gensecs weaponry is better than E11 and gensec is most of the time only fighting D-class with 100 100.

 

I don't really agree with this, the E-11 CE which you can get at PFC gets access to the PKM, the ranger gets one of the m4's or m1a4's or something i cant remember of the top of my head along wit Remington, the  the enlisted gets the tar-21. that's as far as i know as a CPL but yeah they have much better classes for us, at least at those ranks.

Yeah this is a fair review, the M82 although it is very powerful still takes I think 2 body shots to down a base dclass? and 3 or 4 body shots for a 100 100 I can't remember exactly but we tested it out for this weapons update, the Ithica i don't really think is that powerful anymore and i'm not too sure what you could replace it with that wouldn't also be considered very powerful as most shotguns are, and the E-11 having worse guns then us I personally don't agree with, at least on jobs you can get at CPL, and if this is the case I think that shows that E-11 kinda needs a branch update too as both Nu7 and Omi-9 have far better load outs then security.

[TG_Kilo]

14 hours ago, Sinnik said:

Job Name: Security Juggernaut
Weapon Change: tfa_m249lmg--> tfa_m60
Weapon Change: tfa_g36 --> tfa_csgo_nova

-Support for this specific section

The M60 and Nova for a job that specifically deals with D-Class? This is a very excessive amount of fire power to use against Deathrow Inmates. The M60 got an insane buff after the tick rate change AND the weapon buff, and giving the Juggernauts the Nova... This is almost a carbon a copy of the Nu7 Juggernaut, PLUS this job gets HP 200 | AP 200, so this fire power is too much. You are granting a starter branch an Arsenal much superior than that of MTF. Unless this is changed, -Support

Edited July 10, 2020 by TG_Kilo

[Dang]

1 hour ago, Meridian said:

idk what SF it's on but it's also on Omi-9 genetic specialist and maybe i'm just bad but I really don't think its any more powerful then most other shotguns excepting it's range.

-All of my other statements still stand .

-however I just want to make you aware that to even get into omni you need to be a CPL+ in gensec then you need to clime the ranks in omni to LCPL to get access to genetic specialist.

This in total means you need to clime 8 ranks to receive the ethica in genetic specialist. And in NU7 you need to be specially picked to join HSU and most likely have to at least be SGT+.

Compare this to gensec where they only have to clime 3 ranks to receive the ethica and that's it. Do you see my point how gensec have far better weaponry then other MTF branch's and have FAR EASIER access to the OP weaponry classes than other MTF branches.

A fair change would be to give the riot control the browning auto shotgun IMO.

[Sinnik]

30 minutes ago, TG_Kilo said:

-Support for this specific section

The M60 and Nova for a job that specifically deals with D-Class? This is a very excessive amount of fire power to use against Deathrow Inmates. The M60 got an insane buff after the tick rate change AND the weapon buff, and giving the Juggernauts the Nova... This is almost a carbon a copy of the Nu7 Juggernaut, PLUS this job gets HP 200 | AP 200, so this fire power is too much. You are granting a starter branch an Arsenal much superior than that of MTF. Unless this is changed, -Support

It actually gets 175 AP. And like stated in the post, while we may be a "starter branch," it doesn't mean people just starting in the branch will get Juggernaut. 

Additionally, I understand everyone's sentiments about some of the current weaponry being a bit strong, but we'd like to think we're going to be fairly balanced with this update. If we can get it so less people are needed to hold D-Block, that is the goal. The main point of this update is to have less people holding d-block so GENSEC can actually get out into LCZ, do patrols, hold posts at medbay or 173's CC. Right now our branch is stagnating because we always need all hands on deck in D-Block. It's a vicious circle. Riots happen -> we get stomped -> we need all hands on deck in dblock -> people get bored being in dblock for hours -> people quit GENSEC -> riots happen. I think these are necessary changes. We've reviewed all the weaponry in this update multiple times over multiple days, getting outside opinions and consulting with SA and this is what we ended up with. So I'm leaving this update in the hands of Igneous now. If he thinks we need to change it, I will do so.

[MiniLeopard]

+Support

A lot of stuff people are -Supporting this post isn't even in this update it was the last one or even before that 

Edited July 10, 2020 by MiniLeopard

[Saiba]

I mean no offense by this at all, but I genuinely think some of the -Supports on this post are very misinformed on what goes on in D Block and GENSEC. I recommend before you -Support something, you do a little more research on the topic so there's no major misconceptions.

Edited July 10, 2020 by Saiba

[FancyPants]

-Support

Gensec is suppose to be weaker than MTF/E11/Omni. Why else is there are requirement to get into MTF from CPL+ when Gensec is gonna be the same or more effective than MTFs. 

Gensec  can one shot class D now with their sniper/shotgun how is this fair for class D to even try escaping themselves without the help from CC/CI. 

Gensec also have a med/tech station next to them at upper D block for survival.

Edited July 10, 2020 by FancyPants

[starr]

-support

[Meridian]

2 hours ago, Dang said:

Compare this to gensec where they only have to clime 3 ranks to receive the ethica and that's it. Do you see my point how gensec have far better weaponry then other MTF branch's and have FAR EASIER access to the OP weaponry classes than other MTF branches

Yeah, you make a fair point and tbf the browning auto ain't a bad shotgun so maybe it's something we should've considered? but I think the auto part of it just made us skip over it at the time, I still don't think we are more pwerful then any MTF branches seen as most of em have better weapons and stats then us but I can see your point with the Ithica.

 

2 hours ago, TG_Kilo said:

You are granting a starter branch an Arsenal much superior than that of MTF.

Honestly hate the whole "starter branch" sentiment, yes we are most of the time the first branch combat orientated people can join, however, why does that mean we don't get to have fun? I love security and rn it's my favorite branch, now without a CC in security you're at a massive disadvantage because nearly any one person from any combat branch can easily take you out in a one on one even if you're a higher up class or rank, even Dclass can take us out sometimes, ESPECIALLY the lower enlisted, which isn't a fun way to spend your time. You have to take into account that there are people who main this branch and there are people that put alot of time into it, those people shouldn't get the shit end of the stick because "it's a starter branch"

This juggernaut class is also going to be an application thing now, so in comparison it'll have the same idea as the R.I.G units, also from a starter branch, a non combatant starter branch, that's seemingly stronger then any of our classes up to like heavy or juggernaut so this will give something for people to strive for and have pride in acquiring. As for the guns, yes they're quite powerful, but keep in mind this is a level 55 requirement job that you have to apply for, its not like an explosive class, which is arguably easier to get and more powerful, you'll have to apply on the forums to actually get this job so it won't be a commonly available job, IF it turns out it is too powerful I'm sure HCMD would be more then happy to figure a way to balance it again,.

42 minutes ago, Neo said:

Everyone knows what happens in D-Block.

You'd be surprised, a lot of the times when we hold off meetings or even sometimes our main meetings, MTF quickly ask for our backup, I assume it's because they just aren't used to D-Block but I don't know, even very recently we had someone transfer from an MTF branch to security and they were surprised by the difference too.

54 minutes ago, FancyPants said:

Gensec is suppose to be weaker than MTF/E11/Omni. Why else is there are requirement to get into MTF from CPL+ when Gensec is gonna be the same or more effective than MTFs. 

Trust me, Gensec will still be weaker then these branches, we have worse guns, stats and to even get the better guns we have you'll need to work your way up in security past where you can join any of the  MTF branches.

 

56 minutes ago, FancyPants said:

Gensec  can one shot class D now with their sniper/shotgun how is this fair for class D to even try escaping themselves without the help from CC/CI. 

Only yesterday we had mass riots as Dclass late at night, Security still had a good 8 people on not including CCs, and Dclass still had control of LCZ and Dblock for a good hour or so, even with MTF support.

 

57 minutes ago, FancyPants said:

Gensec also have a med/tech station next to them at upper D block for survival.

I'm not sure why you mentioned this, yes, we do, however it isn't too commonly used, mostly because when they're most needed they aren't available due to LCZ shenanigans (682 in LCZ or something) or defcon level, this makkes it so we have to survive constant combat, sometimes from both sides with the powerhouse being CI on one side, and the seemingly infinite Dclass with either no or insanely short NLR on the other.

[Thomas The Thermonuclear Bomb]

-Support Bruh yall are literally on par with and, in most cases, better than Nu7 jobs excluding Explosive Spec. You deal with, at most, 100/100 D class or 150/100 if a Pro gets Armory access. IMO, your classes are just fine how they are and even require a nerf in a few areas cause its kinda dummy stupid your starter rank gets arguably the best SMG/Non Heavy weapon in the server.

[Hoovy]

22 hours ago, Sinnik said:

Job Name: Security Heavy
Job Salary: $60 -->  $150

Hey you can't just give yourself a Pay Raise! This is unacceptable!

22 hours ago, Sinnik said:

Weapon Change: tfa_g36 --> tfa_csgo_nova

I think the last thing I would want in a crowded room is a security member constantly FF-ing the poor OFC in front of them with their shotgun.

[Igneous]

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