Maxi Sups.gg Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) keep this in mind about the MTF-E11 : Mobile Task Force Epsilon-11 handles internal security for the SCP Foundation, under oversight by MTF Alpha-1. They are a special ops force deployed to Foundation Sites when standard protocols fail and multiple breaches are imminent (straight from SCP wiki) , we can't just calling E-11 support like ordering pizza , and Jay was following orders so don't blame him blame the guy who got a bright idea behind it. and this incident lead to these kind of questions: 1 : is the site has been fail in order to follow the protocols ? : which is CI raid so god damn bad that we can't defend it , D class mass Riot cannot be stop , or both or any situation that make the site cannot / failed to follow any protocols? 2 : is there mutiple SCP's breach ? like so many SCP that NU7 and OMI9 cannot recontained or leads to many MTF K.I.A ??? (for example 096 breach by Dr.Dan in Lore , because 96% of MTF Tau1 was K.I.A then they deployed MTF Epsilon) Edited June 24, 2020 by Maxi Sups.gg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG_Kilo Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Although I do not want the SF punished, do keep in mind that he is a 1LT and therefore has more experience than myself. He could have easily corrected my call instead of following it. Although this may seem biased, I don’t believe anyone should get punished, but a very strict verbal seeing as how there was still miscommunication within this event. Also this rule is kind of flawed, because there could be SCPs breached at Defcon 4, and pretty often no Nu7 on within the morning time. Omicron do not deal with SCPs either as we have a strict list of priorities. Also, the images are in wrong order as Zeus has stated. "L’Eggo My Eggo" ||Omi9|| E11 PFC || CI RND Researcher || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Zeus Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Rookieblue said: Why was E11 in EZ on DEFCON 4, and why did you order they remain there prior to being called by Kilo? Chat logs are in reverse order ie Older messages are towards the bottom and newer messages to the top. Chat box is in normal order ie Older messages are at the Top and newer messages towards the bottom. I shall attach a picture of the chat box to show what I mean. Therefore it can be seen that Kilo requested them in and then Frost said E11 stay in EZ to regroup and head out to deal with the said breaches Also please note that there was also a 106 breach at the time. Which was a reason for E11 to stay in. That is also in the chat logs I am going to attach. Im not saying they are not in the wrong even with this info, im just saying it may have been a misunderstanding. I will however be talking to the members involved and taking appropriate action. https://drive.google.com/file/d/13YLqGThNfGoRlqB_rh4asCPU1kManA84/view -Epsilon Eleven Colonel Zeus Edited June 24, 2020 by [GL] Zeus 3 Former || SCP-RP: Commander of Epsilon-11 || Chaos Insurgency Captain || Senior Admin || Forums Diplomat || Rho-36 Arcane Autonomous Scout || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icee jay Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) ok so what happend on my side was just killo asked E11 to stay in the site i told E11 to stay on site. I was under the the impression all site command can ask us in. Theres a discrepancy in our SOP saying MTF can ask us to stay in site. So with this being said it was a mistake on my part. I truly did not mean to break any rules. Kilo told me I he was ask E11 in the site in TS. So the call was back to back i had no time to see the everyone say o9 can not stay in the site. If I was aware of the discrepancy I would had told me no and told E11 to RTB A few seconds after killo asking me to stay and me telling E11 to stay 106 was called out so it would had been defcon 3 anyways i got this screen shot a hour after the ordeal accorded. Edited June 24, 2020 by icee jay spelling and my push to talk button was hit so qqqqqq was spamed somewhere The old E11 CMDR Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillers Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 +/- Support, while they did violate server rules, if this contradicts their SOP i can understand their confusion. I am aware that MOTD Should be followed above the SOP, but the MOTD can (and often , is) out of date on certain subjects. I do not believe that a member of LCMD should be punished for following his SOP, just because that branch's HCMD did not ensure that their SOP was up to date. But then still, they should've definetely known better. "Without morals, are we truly any better than the things we've set ourselves to contain?" EX-Site Director | EX-Super Admin | EX-Event Team Lead | Otter Lover | Regardless of what SMT Says, not a furry. | R&D Senior Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Boekhom Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 15 hours ago, fazfan1987 said: +SupportThe excuse of "Its out of date" clearly shows kilo just didn't care about the rule, and with frost, i would like to hear his side of the story Chad of many names Professional Shit talker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Propane Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Falxen said: +/- Support, while they did violate server rules, if this contradicts their SOP i can understand their confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyPants Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) +/- Support Motd override any SOP rules. Edited June 24, 2020 by FancyPants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack II Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 18 hours ago, Blackbeard said: +/-Support I could see why you're mad, and I can see the failrp aspect, but in all honesty I think its a huge misunderstanding. I think the players should be talked to and informed about the rules correctly. Rejected from the gaminglight community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da da da Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 +/- support Yes the MOTD is the outstanding decider of what is allowed or not, however any out of date SOP that states that he can do such a thing needs to be reverted as this is clearly at the fault of the people in command positions not updating the SOP that is read much more than the MOTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritz Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 +/- Support seems like a mistake and misunderstanding but this is why we read the MOTD, so we don't have moments like this 1 Was Nu7 2LT Shot Once Was a Nu7 MSGT also was a CI Captain once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJayden Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, Ritz said: +/- Support seems like a mistake and misunderstanding but this is why we read the MOTD, so we don't have moments like this TheJayden | Retired PoliceRP PD Colonel | Retired/Reserve Delta Squad Second Lieutenant | Street Crimes Unit Co-Commander | Member of Gaminglight since March 29, 2018 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mint Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 -Support for jay getting in trouble +Support for kilo getting in trouble cause he is only a WO that called that and only utility and what not can call em in All in all -Support this report is kinda wack neither of them knew about this so yea a -support from me. 3 MTF Nu7 Major || E11 1LT || Old CI SGT || Ret.LeadResearcher || || RHO-36 Penumbra Squad || || Mikes Favorite Son || OH3 RRH || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Dtscalice Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 23 hours ago, Starstep said: +/-Support While I personally do agree that a punishment will likely be put in place, the STF was following orders to stay within the facility. A quote from Rang's signature, "A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt." That being said, I do not believe the STF should receive a punishment, but the Omi9 should due to their bad order (sorry). I agree Truth is just a matter of perspective. The duty of every soldier is to protect the innocent ~Captain Price (Modern Warfare 2) Former CMD Positions: E11 1LT, Medical Chief Manager, CI LT and SRIC, Alpha 1 CPL, RRH Squad Lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG_Kilo Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 But also, you don’t have to listen to a commanding officer if it involves breaking the MOTD, which we both did not do intentionally... "L’Eggo My Eggo" ||Omi9|| E11 PFC || CI RND Researcher || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rookieblue Posted June 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2020 PARTIALLY ACCEPTED This situation and the final decision involves a variety of factors, and as I have recently been accused of favoring CI, I will, as always, discuss all factors that have led to my decision in the case. 1) Established Precedent From a Previous Report Under a previous report from a player on April 6th, 2020 (https://gaminglight.com/forums/topic/54954-oranges-player-report/) CI personnel reported that E11 personnel violated then MOTD rule "You may not shoot/interfere with Chaos Insurgency/D-Class that are outside the foundation unless it is on Defcon 3 or lower, and Epsilon-11 has been called. You are to act as if you were not there." E11 personnel had been requested by a Site Administration member despite not being able to validly due so based on the MOTD. In this case, the following actions were taken: - Case presentment established that the MOTD always trumps branch SOPs. - Established that it is the responsibility of branch command members to request updates to the MOTD when they would like rule changes. - In the decision that I previously authored, I stated, "Given the various factors involved in this report, such as confusion between MOTD vs SOP supremacy, the E-11 being requested to guard the DOC, and the clear directive of the MOTD, I will not be issuing a warning or taking enforcement action against the player in question. HOWEVER, this decision servers as a notice to all branches, reinforced by my personal conversations with each branch's command yesterday, that that MOTD is the law of the land. Any further actions that violate the MOTD, even if in compliance with branch SOPs, will result in warnings or other sanctions. Additionally, E-11 Command is directed to ensure their SOP is in compliance with the MOTD, or go through proper channels to suggest edits to the MOTD." 2) My Current Affiliation with CI While I am currently a 1 LT with CI, this does not, nor has ever impacted my ability to make impartial decisions based on warnings and reports that I handle on a day to day basis. I have played on this server since January of 2019, and have held the following positions: - GENSEC Command, Senior Field Trainer - Utility Senior Technician, Field Trainer - Utility Junior Janitor - MTF E-11 Private - Research Associate Researcher - CI Command, 1st Lieutenant, Supervisory Field Trainer, Head of Sawbones I have been involved in every single branch, including MTF, with the exception of the recently formed OMI, NU-7, Utility Medical, and O5/Site Administration. I approach each situation and each report in a neutral manner, and I believe that my experience working in these branches in fact makes me better suited to handle these types of reports, as I know the difficultly of working D-Block as a GENSEC Lance Corporal and having people line bait, I know the difficultly of being a researcher and having D-Class minge when you're trying to complete a test, and I know the difficultly of being an E-11 MTF member and trying to keep the facility secure from both CI and MTF. I am also acutely aware of the difficultly of being a command member and making decisions that affect others while being constrained by various policies and rules through my current position as a CI command member, previous position as a GENSEC command member, and real life experience as a police officer. 3) Facts in This Specific Incident The following occurred during this incident: - While on DEFCON 4 OMI WO Kilo requested E-11 personnel respond to the Foundation, which violates the following MOTD rule: You are not to shoot/interfere with Chaos Insurgency/D-Class that are either inside, or outside the foundation unless it is on DEFCON 3 or lower, or on DEFCON 4 and have been requested by a command member of Utility, Research, or GENSEC. - STF D4 Frost responded to the request for E11 assistance, but ordered E11 personnel to remain in the Entrance Zone, also violating the following MOTD rule: You are not to shoot/interfere with Chaos Insurgency/D-Class that are either inside, or outside the foundation unless it is on DEFCON 3 or lower, or on DEFCON 4 and have been requested by a command member of Utility, Research, or GENSEC. - When CI personnel confronted OMI and E11 personnel after the fact, E11 LCPL Rhodes specifically cited OMI's request as their reason for entrance, and OMI WO Kilo's statement when told he does not have the authority to make such a request of, "It's out of date" showing that he was at least aware of the rule being in the MOTD. Whereas given the above information, Including the previous report precedent in which all branch commands, including E-11, CI, Research, GENSEC, NU-7, Utility, and Site Administration were advised that the MOTD trumps any and all SOPs, including that a verbal warning was provided in the previous case to those individuals that violated MOTD rules based on a misunderstanding between the MOTD and SOP, and including that it was specifically stated that further instances of this type of misconduct would result in additional sanctions, the following actions are being taken: A formal warning is being issued to OMI WO Kilo for FailRP - Falsely Requesting E-11 A verbal warning is being issued in the form of this report response to STF D4 Frost for FailRP - E-11 On Site Without Proper Authorization 6 Retired SCP-RP Head of Staff March 3rd, 2019 - December 16th, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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