Comrade Boekhom Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Please make sure suggestions are pertinent and relevant! What you want to see? - RIGS made a self defense class Why should we add it? - Right now RIGS are allowed to attack ANY hostile they see. They were made to be ESCORTS for research, meaning they should only attack if said research or themselves are being attacked, as of now the class gives Research a free combat class, unlike utility HLPR bots who can only attack in self defense What are the advantages of having this? - fairness across branches Who is it mainly for? - Everyone Links to any content - N/A 3 5 Chad of many names Professional Shit talker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Lee Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 I'm sorry but show me where it says we can shot any hostile because I don't remember reading that? Femboy Hooters. No Cogs he's mine. Omi9 2LT Lee JL6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hope Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 -support "The Research Intelligence Guardian is manufactured by the research department in order to assist with researchers tests while keeping other researchers and nearby personnel safe from hostile threats" RIGs are meant to act like a MTF/GENSEC but not taking over their job of course. They should have the right to shoot and kill on site if it is a hostile. They are meant to do that and not just stand by and just watch a class d walks past taunting them and immediately killing the escorted or the escort. osu! achiever? I don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
October Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dr. Lee said: I'm sorry but show me where it says we can shot any hostile because I don't remember reading that? A RIG online earlier was claiming you guys were Anyways, +support. Research is a non-combat branch and RIG’s should be treated like HLPR bots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hope Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Just to add to my argument about this suggestion RIG are already terrible enough due to the tick rate buff, it is basically a GENSEC officer but with weaker gun and base health and armor. We have to remember that RIGs are robots, they are programmed to shoot on site, we have a full set of weapons for a reason. If you are a class D or a CI just running around and came across a RIG, expect to be shot as they are meant to do that, they eliminate threats to keep research and other personnel safe. osu! achiever? I don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catsro Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) +/- Support I always thought RIG was made to fill the void of security/mtf not being able to escort research. That being said I would think that they would uphold the same properties by eliminating hostiles that might interfere with their escort. Now if RIG Units where just running around without an escort killing things it would be a different story entirely. I am also not opposed to suggestion being accepted as it wouldn't change much. Edited June 11, 2020 by Catsro 1 SCPRP Head Admin | Ex SCPRP Event Team Leader | Ex CI LTCMDR | O5-13 Catsro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Admin Weiss Posted June 11, 2020 Head Admin Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Catsro said: +/- Support I always thought RIG was made to fill the void of security/mtf not being able to escort research. That being said I would think that they would uphold the same properties by eliminating hostiles that might interfere with their escort. Now if RIG Units where just running around without an escort killing things it would be a different story entirely. Rig are instructed to protect researchers and their testing environment. They should not be going lonewolf; I go over a briefing with each of them to ensure this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hope Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Catsro said: +/- Support I always thought RIG was made to fill the void of security/mtf not being able to escort research. That being said I would think that they would uphold the same properties by eliminating hostiles that might interfere with their escort. Now if RIG Units where just running around without an escort killing things it would be a different story entirely. RIGs are not meant to patrol. However if they come across a hostile, they shoot them. RIGs shouldn't be taking the job of a GENSEC or MTF, they are meant to fill the void when GENSEC or MTF are understaffed. RIGs shouldn't be patrolling, they should be protecting researchers if there's any flag on, they help fill the void and the need for an escort when GENSEC or MTF is understaffed. Edited June 11, 2020 by Hope osu! achiever? I don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Zeus Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 42 minutes ago, Hope said: -support "The Research Intelligence Guardian is manufactured by the research department in order to assist with researchers tests while keeping other researchers and nearby personnel safe from hostile threats" RIGs are meant to act like a MTF/GENSEC but not taking over their job of course. They should have the right to shoot and kill on site if it is a hostile. They are meant to do that and not just stand by and just watch a class d walks past taunting them and immediately killing the escorted or the escort. RIG unit squash was going lonewolf so you might wanna look into your RIGs going kamikaze. Otherwise -Support 1 Former || SCP-RP: Commander of Epsilon-11 || Chaos Insurgency Captain || Senior Admin || Forums Diplomat || Rho-36 Arcane Autonomous Scout || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Jack I the One & Only Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Let Research Command know if they go lone wolf. -Support. If a RIG sees CI while escorting a researcher, he should KOS them. Doing anything other than that could result in the researcher being kidnapped or cuffed. Furthermore, D-Class pose the same danger, they could result in research deaths if they aren't terminated or fear-rped on sight. TCM Jack CI Heinz / J03 Italian Mob Boss Zepelli Former CI Research Administrator Heinz - Not [REDACTED] Researcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry S. Plinkett Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 -Support RIG Units have no reason to be complacent around dangerous entities simply because they have not posed aggression towards the escorté. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunther Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hope said: RIG are already terrible enough due to the tick rate buff, it is basically a GENSEC officer but with weaker gun and base health and armor. This doesn't pertain to this suggestion at all. This is about making them a 'self-defense class', not a 'KOS' class. 54 minutes ago, [GL] Jack I the One & Only said: If a RIG sees CI while escorting a researcher, he should KOS them. Doing anything other than that could result in the researcher being kidnapped or cuffed. Furthermore, D-Class pose the same danger, they could result in research deaths if they aren't terminated or fear-rped on sight. CI already do not kill everyone they see unless you call them out or something. Most D-Class do the same, they purposely avoid combat with all Utility and Research so they can not be killed through self-defense. I believe RIG should have the same courtesy, unless CI or D-Class attack you first, or make themselves out to be a threat, like trying to use you as a shield, or shooting above your head or something, then that makes sense, but outright shooting a D-Class who ran past ignoring you should not be KOS. I +Support this, in my mind, Gensec and MTF are Military branches who are there to protect the facility and Research are there to Research. It doesn't make sense for a class which does not fall under this Military category to go out of there way to engage an enemy unless through self-defense. This same mindset goes for ACM, I feel like every branch is trying to create their own personal Security-MTF class that does their job for them. All my opinions however. Edited June 11, 2020 by Gunther 1 Former Security Captain | Former RCF Commander | Former Admin of SCP:RP | King Penguin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillers Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) -Support, RIG's should be allowed to shoot D-Class/CI on sight during an escort. Lets be fair here, if they dont shoot first, CI/D-Class will. *Outside of escorts this should not be the case however, if they are not escorting they should follow standard self-defence rules Edited June 11, 2020 by Falxen Added a bit. 1 "Without morals, are we truly any better than the things we've set ourselves to contain?" EX-Site Director | EX-Super Admin | EX-Event Team Lead | Otter Lover | Regardless of what SMT Says, not a furry. | R&D Senior Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
October Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Falxen said: -Support, RIG's should be allowed to shoot D-Class/CI on sight during an escort. Lets be fair here, if they dont shoot first, CI/D-Class will. Not necessarily we’re very lenient with the warnings we give before we shoot non-combatants. For example, I was in a fire fight in the middle of the LCZ and some janitor walks in between us so he can go pick up trash. (I don’t understand why tho). Anyways, I tried my best not to shoot to be kind/reasonable cuz Jr janitors just want to enjoy themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdec29 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Catsro said: +/- Support I always thought RIG was made to fill the void of security/mtf not being able to escort research. That being said I would think that they would uphold the same properties by eliminating hostiles that might interfere with their escort. Now if RIG Units where just running around without an escort killing things it would be a different story entirely. I am also not opposed to suggestion being accepted as it wouldn't change much. ^^^ when I was in research I thought they behaved like normal researchers, self defense or when someone has a gun out near you since you feel “threatened” not like this changes much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Boekhom Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Catsro said: +/- Support I always thought RIG was made to fill the void of security/mtf not being able to escort research. That being said I would think that they would uphold the same properties by eliminating hostiles that might interfere with their escort. Now if RIG Units where just running around without an escort killing things it would be a different story entirely. I am also not opposed to suggestion being accepted as it wouldn't change much. the thing is, this is exactly what happens, almost every single bot i see just sits in a place and guns down ci/d-class with no escorting going on but even on escorts they should only attack if the ESCORTEE or THEMSELVES get attacked, again like HLPR bot 1 Chad of many names Professional Shit talker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da da da Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 +support research is not a combat job, job was proposed to the community as a way to take the pain of escorting of MTF. Not a someone pointed out ‘act as mtf when needed’. That is stupid. I am sick to death of bored RIGS walking around and doing stuff such as: Hunting CI instead of protecting research, using thermals and hunting infils and providing an option of combating ci to research. Yet again, when people supported this idea it was so that Research could have protection / escorts more often. Not become a combat branch that hints CI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Inaccurate Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 9 hours ago, [GL] Jack I the One & Only said: Let Research Command know if they go lone wolf. -Support. If a RIG sees CI while escorting a researcher, he should KOS them. Doing anything other than that could result in the researcher being kidnapped or cuffed. Furthermore, D-Class pose the same danger, they could result in research deaths if they aren't terminated or fear-rped on sight. "Pay increase declined. Welcome to the Foundation, get used to it." -O5-6 3rd time Head of Medical Staff | Ex-Director of Research and Security | Ex-Director of Utility | Ex-Senior Admin for SCP-RP | Ex-Admin for TTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoovy Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 10 hours ago, Catsro said: +/- Support I always thought RIG was made to fill the void of security/mtf not being able to escort research. That being said I would think that they would uphold the same properties by eliminating hostiles that might interfere with their escort. Now if RIG Units where just running around without an escort killing things it would be a different story entirely. I am also not opposed to suggestion being accepted as it wouldn't change much. Former SCP:RP Event Team Leader (5/15/19 - 12/31/19) Current SCP:RP Head Administrator "I'll see you on the Dark Side of the Moon" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandaInShitpostLand Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 +support however, i think it should be more like 076, if someone has a weapon out and is running towards you, shoot them, if a D-Class wants to avoid confrontation, he un-equips his weapon and walks by The God Gamer of the Shitpost Squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 +/- support. Imo I don't think RIG's should be going "Kamikaze", but if they're escorting researchers they should be able to protect the researcher if they feel threatened. They are escorts after all. Also doesn't CI shoot RIG's if they have a weapon out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack (utility one) Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 11 hours ago, Catsro said: +/- Support I always thought RIG was made to fill the void of security/mtf not being able to escort research. That being said I would think that they would uphold the same properties by eliminating hostiles that might interfere with their escort. Now if RIG Units where just running around without an escort killing things it would be a different story entirely. I am also not opposed to suggestion being accepted as it wouldn't change much. I'm leaning to +support because yesterday (squash) was in a choke hallways literally doing security's job with no researcher in site (I don't even know if 1 was on). This is not the first time I've seen this happen and sadly my recording software is bugging out so I don't have any video of him doing it. I think if the RIGS could switch over to like HLPR Bot Alpha's for technical than it would make a little more sense. It's been really good actually with D-class and CI not shooting up the HLPR Bots and i think this shows that D-class and CI aren't shoot first ask questions later type of mentality that I've seen some people suggest. I'll be fine if this gets enforced more than I wouldn't mind it but if it continues than idk because the RIGS can cripple D-class down a long hallway same with CI. There are gods in Alabama: Jack Daniel's, high school quarterbacks, trucks, big tits, and also Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Lee Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Jack (utility one) said: I'm leaning to +support because yesterday (squash) was in a choke hallways literally doing security's job with no researcher in site (I don't even know if 1 was on). This is not the first time I've seen this happen and sadly my recording software is bugging out so I don't have any video of him doing it. I think if the RIGS could switch over to like HLPR Bot Alpha's for technical than it would make a little more sense. It's been really good actually with D-class and CI not shooting up the HLPR Bots and i think this shows that D-class and CI aren't shoot first ask questions later type of mentality that I've seen some people suggest. I'll be fine if this gets enforced more than I wouldn't mind it but if it continues than idk because the RIGS can cripple D-class down a long hallway same with CI. Jack isn't there a rule against CI shoot utility? I had it typed out but I had to do something else so I SS it Femboy Hooters. No Cogs he's mine. Omi9 2LT Lee JL6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack (utility one) Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 E4 and CCs can still shoot us and HLPR Bots can be hacked and that's also gone down so I think it would be better to maybe move RIGS to self defense unless command can start enforcing the no lone wolf rule. There are gods in Alabama: Jack Daniel's, high school quarterbacks, trucks, big tits, and also Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Lee Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, Jack (utility one) said: E4 and CCs can still shoot us and HLPR Bots can be hacked and that's also gone down so I think it would be better to maybe move RIGS to self defense unless command can start enforcing the no lone wolf rule. ?? Research Command already enforce this. If you see them doing so, report it please. 1 Femboy Hooters. No Cogs he's mine. Omi9 2LT Lee JL6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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