NetworkParadox Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) What you want to see? - SCP-106 should be harder to contain. Last time I breached as 106, they immediately used MTF when I never touched any Class-D, then claimed they tried. Staff had no evidence against it, so I was contained rather easily. I want containment of 106 reformed to one of the following:1. A Class-D MUST be used no matter what. (There must be 80+ people to breach, you'lll find a Class-D eventually. Use tactics and communication to get him there safely, that's part of the challenge.) [If No Class-D are available, such as being dead, used, or rioting, resort to proposal 3.]2. When a Foundation Member uses the Femur Breaker, they must be PKed. (I.E, MTF PFC sacrifices him or herself to the femur. They will be demoted one rank and given a name change.)3. Only a low-ranking Foundation Member may be used in the femur if getting a Class-D fails. (Low-Ranking utility members, low ranking gensec, NO MTF) and even then, they will be forced a name change when done. Why should we add it? - Honestly, 106 is as easy as lying to staff and yeeting someone into the femur with no consequence. Far too often do I see MTF personnel sacrificed and then telling staff they tried using a Class-D with no viable proof for or against it, so it has to be taken at their word. SCVP-106 should be a pretty scary guy considering his object class. And in no universe would the Foundation put their best combat personnel into the femur to sacrifice 106. What are the advantages of having this? - This will make 106 live up to his name of Keter, and being a massive threat to the Foundation. This will also give Class-D more of a chance to escape or explore the facility, encouraging new players to stay and experience the server and its opportunities. Who is it mainly for? - SCP-106, Class-D Links to any content - N/AResponse to possible concerns:"A Whole demotion AND name change? That's way too OP." Throwing any MTF willy nilly into the Femur Breaker several times a day is also OP for MTF. In any universe the Foundation may exist in, by this point they would be completely out of MTF members. It's not balanced, and it's not realistic."Only Class-D? What if they're all dead or rioting?" I would say that Security should then think about some protocol changes to satisfy Class-D more, but that would take too much time. I understand this is a possible (though rare) concern. So I propose mixing proposal 1 and 3 together, so if there's no Class-D you can only use utility members or low ranking/non essential personnel. They will still be a challenge to find and escort, but still make containment relatively possible."What if SCP-106 is camping D-Block?" Two rebuttals. 1. It's already against the rules to do this for any SCP. 2. 106 has a 15 second cooldown between capturing people. If you can't get a Class-D and run within 15 seconds, then you need to be better trained on how to distract 106 and how to move. THE THREE PROPOSALS I PUT UP ARE THREE SEPARATE PROPOSALS, NOT INTERCONNECTED RULES. [Any other concerns I see, I will add here.] Edited June 8, 2020 by NetworkParadox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillers Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 +/-Support, I'm all for making the Keter's harder to contain as to keep them challanging, but 106 breaches way to easy for this ATM. Another major concern , rule 3. I dont want to see any of my Janitorial staff ( Or ANY utility staff for that matter ) be chucked in just because MTF can't find the time to get a D-Class. "Without morals, are we truly any better than the things we've set ourselves to contain?" EX-Site Director | EX-Super Admin | EX-Event Team Lead | Otter Lover | Regardless of what SMT Says, not a furry. | R&D Senior Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Inaccurate Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Falxen said: +/-Support, I'm all for making the Keter's harder to contain as to keep them challanging, but 106 breaches way to easy for this ATM. Another major concern , rule 3. I dont want to see any of my Janitorial staff ( Or ANY utility staff for that matter ) be chucked in just because MTF can't find the time to get a D-Class. Also, a fucking PK, that's meant for punishment, not RP. "Pay increase declined. Welcome to the Foundation, get used to it." -O5-6 3rd time Head of Medical Staff | Ex-Director of Research and Security | Ex-Director of Utility | Ex-Senior Admin for SCP-RP | Ex-Admin for TTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
October Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 +/- support I would agree that MTF need to stop using themselves, but a PK is way too damn extreme. A demotion and name change is excessive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinnik Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 +/-support I was also thinking about this the other day- 106 often gets femur'd without making an attempt to get D-Class, and I feel like there should be some repercussions to doing so. However, I don't think a PK / demotion is fair. I would lean more towards something like a long NLR timer when you sacrifice yourself. Might be hard to enforce, but something like 15 - 20 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakub Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 -support, i see your point but if a rct is femured then they are removed . yes I got demoted out of high command because I got femured. Ex E11 COL, Ex A1 MAJ, Ex AHOTS, Ex Security 2LT, Ex Admin. Current CI 2LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gh0pit Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 last i checked, it is against the rules for MTF personnel to hop in unless an ATTEMPT is made to grab D class and it has failed. -support, mtf get warned for failrp anyway if they break that rule. That's enough. Retired CMDR of Epsilon-11 D-Class Main/CI gang/RHO 36 Detective ~You say stop it, I say Gh0pit~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillers Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Gh0pit said: last i checked, it is against the rules for MTF personnel to hop in unless an ATTEMPT is made to grab D class and it has failed. -support, mtf get warned for failrp anyway if they break that rule. That's enough. I think the big issue is that we dont realy have a line drawn as to what is an "Attempt". Can you say that you were walking to D-Block and 106 got in your way so "Oh Boy, Here i go into the scream machine", or do you need to have gotten a D-Class and then have the D-Class die? Is there a time-limit? Things like this. I think we'd benefit more from some hard lines being drawn on this aspect rather then waht is being suggested here. "Without morals, are we truly any better than the things we've set ourselves to contain?" EX-Site Director | EX-Super Admin | EX-Event Team Lead | Otter Lover | Regardless of what SMT Says, not a furry. | R&D Senior Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunther Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) +Support on the "Strictly D-Class ONLY" rule, but -Support on a PK. RCF and MTF can now go into lower D-Block to grab D-Class for recontainment purposes, so there should be no excuse as to why RCF/MTF can't get a D-Class for the Femur Breaker, since there's always at least one AFK D-Class. Edited June 5, 2020 by Gunther Former Security Captain | Former RCF Commander | Former Admin of SCP:RP | King Penguin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Zeus Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Jakub said: -support, i see your point but if a rct is femured then they are removed . yes I got demoted out of high command because I got femured. 3 hours ago, Gh0pit said: last i checked, it is against the rules for MTF personnel to hop in unless an ATTEMPT is made to grab D class and it has failed. -support, mtf get warned for failrp anyway if they break that rule. That's enough. A Pk is for punishments lmao Former || SCP-RP: Commander of Epsilon-11 || Chaos Insurgency Captain || Senior Admin || Forums Diplomat || Rho-36 Arcane Autonomous Scout || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NetworkParadox Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 The PK is a punishment for MTF who want to laugh and jump in femur to contain 106 in 5 minutes while lying to staff. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Propane Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 -/+ support My main concern is MTF forcing utility into the femur breaker, I also highly doubt any command in a branch wishes for their members to be PKed just for RP +support for D-Class only -support for PK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry S. Plinkett Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Gh0pit said: last i checked, it is against the rules for MTF personnel to hop in unless an ATTEMPT is made to grab D class and it has failed. -support, mtf get warned for failrp anyway if they break that rule. That's enough. Except that never happens. Usually from my experience MTF just throws a Pvt in there and calls it a day, staff doesnt care because its a 'waste of time' (not my own words but a senior mods) 20 minutes ago, NetworkParadox said: The PK is a punishment for MTF who want to laugh and jump in femur to contain 106 in 5 minutes while lying to staff. +Support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surge Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 MTF no matter the branch are yelled at to not use themselfes to RC certain SCPS unless its a defcon 1, if this is caught should be screen capped an sent to command Ret MTF Nu7 1LT SFTO Surge| Ret OH2 RRH , Retired SM Gensec | No officer that 24Pounds of plutonium isn't mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridian Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 +/- support I really do believe 106 should be harder to contain then he is, I mean he's a keter and yet really not that difficult to contain, the PK thing seems ridiculous mainly because a PVT probably won't be able to say no to a LT trying to femur him because his Dclass died, also just makes it a massive pain in the ass to demote so many people, i agree that more effort should be put towards using Dclass also i think the rule on using other MTF should be clarified as I hear alot of people including those significantly higher than me saying you can use a foundation member if your Dclass is killed, I myself thought this to be the case and so have used myself in the femur breaker multiple times and never had an admin called because of it so I assumed it was allowed, but yeah + support on 106 getting his recontainment procedures buffed - support on any PK'ing because of it though || Retired GenSec || STARS || J04 "Crest" || Foul Tarnished || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoovy Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 10 hours ago, NetworkParadox said: 2. When a Foundation Member uses the Femur Breaker, they must be PKed. (I.E, MTF PFC sacrifices him or herself to the femur. They will be demoted one rank and given a name change.) Absolutely no way in any universe would that be accepted. However, I am all for the other ideas (although I'm pretty sure that was already the case?) Former SCP:RP Event Team Leader (5/15/19 - 12/31/19) Current SCP:RP Head Administrator "I'll see you on the Dark Side of the Moon" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixx Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 -Support PK'd if you use the femur??! Yeah no. [ SCP RP ] Director of Research & Security || Armored Shield Award Winner || First Head Warden & HOPO || Security Artillery Unit || D-7025 || D-Class High Council || Former Head of Security || Former Admin || Former Event Team Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTimeInbound Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 -Support. Jesus christ a PK as a reward for self-sacrifice? Hell no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 imagine being some random janitor, getting yoinked and pk'd because 106 broke out. +support on the first thing, although nothing else. also it would be a pain in the ass to keep track of all the name changes/demotions that would come from using foundation staff in the femur breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritz Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 -Support the rule where mtf can femur once an attempt has failed exists to counter 106 from camping lcz and repeatedly grabbing d-class that are being brought Was Nu7 2LT Shot Once Was a Nu7 MSGT also was a CI Captain once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Inaccurate Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Ritz said: -Support the rule where mtf can femur once an attempt has failed exists to counter 106 from camping lcz and repeatedly grabbing d-class that are being brought "Pay increase declined. Welcome to the Foundation, get used to it." -O5-6 3rd time Head of Medical Staff | Ex-Director of Research and Security | Ex-Director of Utility | Ex-Senior Admin for SCP-RP | Ex-Admin for TTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandaInShitpostLand Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) i would say no I would say this as a compromise, If 106 is in LCZ, then no attempt should be made to get a D-Class, instead, in this order to throw some poor soul to die a horrifically painful death, you A, Use a captured Agent of Chaos that isn't being interrogated, such as a caught maynard, or a low ranking Chaos that knows nothing, B, A damaged low ranking MTF, or a MTF so damaged and without healing, theres no way he can make through another firefight (such as during a CI raid or a lot of breaches) C, Use the lowest ranking MTF member, a simple PVT is better to sacrifice then a PFC. Edited June 7, 2020 by Panda0Playz The God Gamer of the Shitpost Squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakota Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 -SUPPORT -a pk...really... those are used for punishments not for rp -this is weirdly worded, rule one states that it MUST BE A D-CLASS, but rule 3 basically says or it cant be like you can't say it must and then change it to it doesn't have to be Current: [REDACTED] Former: E11 COL | Deputy Head of FTOs | CI SRIC/LCPL "We die in the dark so that others can live in the light." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyGrim Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 On 6/5/2020 at 9:20 PM, October said: +/- support I would agree that MTF need to stop using themselves, but a PK is way too damn extreme. A demotion and name change is excessive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG_Kilo Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 On 6/5/2020 at 5:45 PM, Gunther said: +Support on the "Strictly D-Class ONLY" rule, but -Support on a PK. RCF and MTF can now go into lower D-Block to grab D-Class for recontainment purposes, so there should be no excuse as to why RCF/MTF can't get a D-Class for the Femur Breaker, since there's always at least one AFK D-Class. Frequent D-Class Riots "L’Eggo My Eggo" ||Omi9|| E11 PFC || CI RND Researcher || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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