A change to self breach rules. - Accepted

[Phillers]

What you want to see? - The Enforcement of already existing rules, and the editing of others to further include Janitorial in the self breaching process.

First, for the enforcement part. The MOTD Already states that both SCP-035 and 106 have to be cleaned / have a base applied to them after breach before they can be recontained. This is however very rarely actually enforced by the staff team. It'd be nice if this could be done more.

As to the rule changes, i believe there are 2 main options here which would both work rather well.

The first would be to simply allow Janitorial to clean certain SCP's instead of just giving them D-Class, but to still allow the Feeding of D-Class if Janitorial is currently unavailable.
This would work well with SCP-939, 098,  194, 1245, 1265, or 035.

The second (and more complicated) option would be to edit to rules to allow Janitorial to "Slow down" the speed at which certain SCP's breach. 

For example, SCP-939 normally breaches every 20 minutes, but if it's cleaned by a Janitor while attempting to perform its Self-Breach it'd have an additional 5/10 minutes added to its breach timer. The same could be done to other SCP's.

this could only be done once during the self breach, so no eternal cleaning of a SCP to prevent it from ever breaching. This would allow janitorial to assist in containment efforts, while not taking MTF's job in the process. This would work for the same SCP's as written above.

I am aware that both of these options aren't very corresponding with lore, but they would allow janitorial staff to make a difference as far as the general status of the site goes, and increase morale for Janitors, as they would no longer be near useless outside of SCP-106/173.

Please do note that these options would still permit for the current procedures to happen, but would simply add an alternative to just feeding D-Class to the SCP's.

 

Why should we add it? - More roleplay for Janitorial, and an increase in Janitorial branch activity.

What are the advantages of having this? - More roleplay for Janitorial, and an increase in Janitorial branch activity.

Who is it mainly for? - Janitorial/SCP's.

Links to any content - N/A.

[General Borealis]

+ Support 

We honestly do need more stuff to do

[Cogs]

7 minutes ago, General Borealis said:

+ Support 

We honestly do need more stuff to do

 

[Bemonbead]

-/+ I find this as a great idea but most of these SCPs need meat / dclass the only one I think is a good idea is for 098 sense they cause alot of blood but 939, 1245, and 035 NEED D class for survival and it doesnt make sense for janitorial to snap them self into a scps dinner. Its a idea that needs some work but for 098 i think this is a great idea.

Edited June 2, 2020 by Bemonbead

[[GL] Inaccurate]

+Support

People need to realize that we aren't a Breach Server, and SCPs already breach to much. This tackles 2 problems: It gives more for Janitorial to do and it reduces self breaching.

[Propane]

-/+ support

[Gunther]

13 minutes ago, Propane said:

-/+ support

Yea we aren't a breach server but the main focus of the game is SCPs, the server already sidelines them, and make them a minor part of the server, compared to the Foundation and CI, so if you were to make it harder for them to breach, it takes away the reason the game exists in the first place. SCPs only play as SCPs to be tested on or to breach, mainly breach, so if they can't breach as fast as they normally would have to wait, then it makes people not want to play.

Edited June 1, 2020 by Gunther

[Jack (utility one)]

+Support
People also need to realize that SCP's are also just like every other form of life out there, they need to be cleaned. Would you be happy sitting in your cell starving and in your own filth. If anything having janitorial avoid this would have the breach timer go up since it makes them even more unhappy. Some SCP's can breach anytime they want if they give enough effort, they do so if there not treated right. In my opinion that means fed, givin a place to rest/sleep, and being cleaned/have a clean place.

[Ritz]

+/- Support

I like the idea but I just don't see the amount of active janitorial on to justify this

Also:

  

14 minutes ago, Jakub said:

-Support, this is a nerf to scp self breaches which are already pretty hard.

having someone try to self breach for 20 minutes and then get blocked by a janitor rolling will just make them flag of the job and leave instead of waiting 15 minutes on the job to be able to restart their whole self breach process.

having to bring class d from lcz is a challenge for mtf and if that part can be skipped by janitorial then it will be a huge nerf to scps.

Also the scps are hungry and break out for food not because it smells in their ccs and they want a clean enviroment.

 

Edited June 2, 2020 by Ritz

[Blank]

+/- I mean it sounds intresting, but for scps like 939 you would need an escort. If they could escort you, why wouldn't they just get a dclass and feed them anyway? 

Edited June 1, 2020 by oscar.hollingsoworth2

[Phillers]

6 minutes ago, Ritz said:

+/- Support

I like the idea but I just don't see the amount of active janitorial on to justify this

The thing is, if there are no Janitorial on then you can just continue as per normal, this is an alternative, i am not suggesting we completely get rid of the old system.

Edited June 1, 2020 by Falxen
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[Bread]

I'll make some alternatives for at least 2 SCPs.

Edited June 3, 2020 by Bread

[Comrade Boekhom]

9 hours ago, [GL] Inaccurate said:

+Support

People need to realize that we aren't a Breach Server, and SCPs already breach to much. This tackles 2 problems: It gives more for Janitorial to do and it reduces self breaching.

 

[Jakub]

-Support, this is a nerf to scp self breaches which are already pretty hard.

having someone try to self breach for 20 minutes and then get blocked by a janitor rolling will just make them flag of the job and leave instead of waiting 15 minutes on the job to be able to restart their whole self breach process.

having to bring class d from lcz is a challenge for mtf and if that part can be skipped by janitorial then it will be a huge nerf to scps.

Also the scps are hungry and break out for food not because it smells in their ccs and they want a clean enviroment.

[[GL] Ace]

10 minutes ago, Jakub said:

-Support, this is a nerf to scp self breaches which are already pretty hard.

having someone try to self breach for 20 minutes and then get blocked by a janitor rolling will just make them flag of the job and leave instead of waiting 15 minutes on the job to be able to restart their whole self breach process.

having to bring class d from lcz is a challenge for mtf and if that part can be skipped by janitorial then it will be a huge nerf to scps.

Also the scps are hungry and break out for food not because it smells in their ccs and they want a clean enviroment.

 

[CanOBeanz]

+Support

Mainly for the idea of Jans being able to add an occasional one-off extra few minutes to some breach timers or whatever, which both gives them something to do and helps MTF with stopping self-breaches, without totally screwing over how self-breaching works.

Also it makes jan's role in self breaches much more unique than tech's role, which is only to show up AFTER things have broken out.

[Harry S. Plinkett]

On 6/2/2020 at 1:27 AM, Jakub said:

-Support, this is a nerf to scp self breaches which are already pretty hard.

having someone try to self breach for 20 minutes and then get blocked by a janitor rolling will just make them flag of the job and leave instead of waiting 15 minutes on the job to be able to restart their whole self breach process.

having to bring class d from lcz is a challenge for mtf and if that part can be skipped by janitorial then it will be a huge nerf to scps.

Also the scps are hungry and break out for food not because it smells in their ccs and they want a clean enviroment.

 

[Curtis]

+/- Support, I know for re-containing SCPs such as 106, we can self femur ONLY if we can't get a D Class or any other type of lower ranking official in the foundation, MTF can femur themselves, we are currently not able to do it for Feeding SCPs but if D Block is rioting, and unable to get D Class, we can get low ranking personnel of the foundation, and if none are available we can use MTF. Due to how the clearance structure works. D Class > 0 Low ranking foundation personnel > 1 or 2 MTF (usually) 3+ so on and so forth. 

[Zone]

While it would be very nice to have janitorial have more to do, I have to agree with Jakub 

-support

On 6/2/2020 at 12:27 AM, Jakub said:

-Support, this is a nerf to scp self breaches which are already pretty hard.

having someone try to self breach for 20 minutes and then get blocked by a janitor rolling will just make them flag of the job and leave instead of waiting 15 minutes on the job to be able to restart their whole self breach process.

having to bring class d from lcz is a challenge for mtf and if that part can be skipped by janitorial then it will be a huge nerf to scps.

Also the scps are hungry and break out for food not because it smells in their ccs and they want a clean enviroment.

 

[Coltable]

On 6/2/2020 at 6:27 AM, Jakub said:

-Support, this is a nerf to scp self breaches which are already pretty hard.

having someone try to self breach for 20 minutes and then get blocked by a janitor rolling will just make them flag of the job and leave instead of waiting 15 minutes on the job to be able to restart their whole self breach process.

having to bring class d from lcz is a challenge for mtf and if that part can be skipped by janitorial then it will be a huge nerf to scps.

Also the scps are hungry and break out for food not because it smells in their ccs and they want a clean enviroment.

 

[Phillers]

On 6/2/2020 at 7:27 AM, Jakub said:

having someone try to self breach for 20 minutes and then get blocked by a janitor rolling will just make them flag of the job and leave instead of waiting 15 minutes on the job to be able to restart their whole self breach process.

In the 2nd option this would not be an issue, as it would just add 5/10 minutes to the SCP's cooldown, thats it. As of current with the amount of janitors on the server this would not happen very often, as only Containment Cleaners would be allowed to do it.
 

On 6/2/2020 at 7:27 AM, Jakub said:

having to bring class d from lcz is a challenge for mtf and if that part can be skipped by janitorial then it will be a huge nerf to scps.

Wont be skippable in the 2nd option, MTF will still have to bring over D-Class.
 

On 6/2/2020 at 7:27 AM, Jakub said:

Also the scps are hungry and break out for food not because it smells in their ccs and they want a clean enviroment.

RP should not go over the enjoyability that a branch can have IMO. 

Also, RP speaking over half of the anomalies on the site do not require nutrition of any sort, so it being smelly in their CC's might be a real incentive to escape for certain anomalies with a more "Petty" attitude in lore.

[Igneous]

On 6/1/2020 at 2:27 PM, Bread said:

I'll make some alternatives for at least 2 SCPs.

Contact me when you do

[Igneous]

Accepted! Please allow up to a week for any suggestions you have requested to be added in game or on the forums.