Tomato Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MkJ-B6uz0aEY_9BagmL1gSjPCQq4GJH15W_gWDTJ_8A/edit?usp=sharing Please note. Some of the opinions expressed in this document are not my own. Not all of this represents my personal beliefs as a researcher Edited May 27, 2020 by Tomato 4 Former DHOR Tomato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangiatea Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 this seems more like something your would talk to your High command, site admin or O5 about And a quick note: I really disagree with that first paragraph, like a nearly laughed in class reading that Im still going to read through it all, but starting off like that is a bit of a joke TBH GENSEC: as far as gensec goes there is a little more that needs to be talked about here (in regards to some of these complaints/their complete job not just the bare basics) but a good amount of these complaints are valid especially the 2 d class attack and a partial is called D class: yes the "chances" (if you can still call it a chance) to breacch/riot is insane but "Noone joins the server to play D class" is just completely wrong, they are basically the biggest part of the server (as far as players in the "branch" goes) and a alot more the "backbone" than research is Escorts: We can talk about this together later RIG: The RIG unit wasnt made to be a job to completely replace GENSEC/MTF it was made to be a job for long time players to use to help out research with escorting CI: Ill see what I can do, im not going to stop them from raiding though MTF: I know they dont do the escorts 99% of the time its a known issue and we can talk about that along with the escorts section HCMD: I mean they dont join each others branches like 90% of the time so im not going to force them to join research because you made a complaint, they have their priorities and if getting on a trainee job isnt on of them im not going to tell them off. and if thats in regards to Site Admin then we also have things we do and dont be annoyed with the fact most of us dont stick with research and watch them 90% of the time as there is the other 95% of the server for us to watch What could we get out of all this?: that is something to talk to SMT and your own HCMD about then we can deal with that but adding a new SCP every month would sooner or later mean we need to remvoe some, im not against getting a "rotation" going 1 3 "A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack II Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 i mean im not gonna touch basis with everything. I just wanna point out yes, its extremely hard getting escorts as a researcher even when MTF are free and its defcon 5. 1 Rejected from the gaminglight community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalfunctioningTurnip Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rangiatea said: this seems more like something your would talk to your High command, site admin or O5 about And a quick note: I really disagree with that first paragraph, like a nearly laughed in class reading that Im still going to read through it all, but starting off like that is a bit of a joke TBH Retired Gensec Captain/DHFTO | Vegetable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniLeopard Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Um I could say the same with Security? without us d class would just kill you all the time and you have the RIG unit now -_- 1 The United Kingdom, made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, is an island nation in north-western Europe. England – birthplace of Shakespeare and The Beatles – is home to the capital, London, a globally influential centre of finance and culture. England is also site of Neolithic Stonehenge, Bath’s Roman spa and centuries-old universities at Oxford and Cambridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turner6372 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 i got to the beginning of gensec and can i just say though that we are sorry that we cannot give that that poor junior a escort since most of the time got to deal with riots while making sure that junior dont die from dclass, also i agree with rang you didn't do the beginning words right. (sounds more like a diss then it should be in my opinion ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Zeus Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 About the part with MTF, we are probably dealing with breaches or d class in EZ/HCZ or a CI raid as they happen almost all the time during peak hours. You can’t expect us to be there all the time, you gotta look at it from the other side as well. 16 minutes ago, Rangiatea said: this seems more like something your would talk to your High command, site admin or O5 about And a quick note: I really disagree with that first paragraph, like a nearly laughed in class reading that Im still going to read through it all, but starting off like that is a bit of a joke TBH Former || SCP-RP: Commander of Epsilon-11 || Chaos Insurgency Captain || Senior Admin || Forums Diplomat || Rho-36 Arcane Autonomous Scout || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomato Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, [GL] Zeus said: About the part with MTF, we are probably dealing with breaches or d class in EZ/HCZ or a CI raid as they happen almost all the time during peak hours. You can’t expect us to be there all the time, you gotta look at it from the other side as well. like i said. not all views are expressed by me Former DHOR Tomato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridian Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 As a SM in GenSec i understand where you coming from with the not getting escorts, however, 80 percent of the time you come in when the riots are bad enough to the point that half of our forces are dead and at that point no one in their right mind is gonna let you walk off with sometimes two of their more experienced members and just take away from our numbers, also as UK time when i wake up like 7 in the morning my time and a researcher comes in when i'm the only Security on and try and get me to escort and then moan when I don't, that shit gets annoying , especially when you keep walking in and out leaving doors open and just generally being in the way it can really get annoying, plus some of the researchers that come in and ask for escorts can get pretty unfriendly about it, not to the point of being rude or anything but the tut ing and uhhhh ing when we say no you cant get an escort right now. This all being said i do understand where you're coming from as researchers don't get to do research as much as they did when i first joined and i get that if that's the main class you play that could get really annoying, hiwever please understand that we do all try our best but research isn't really our top priority, especially when there's always CI, DClass and SCPs running around the facility. || Retired GenSec || STARS || J04 "Crest" || Foul Tarnished || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangiatea Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Right ive finished off reading that and edited the original reply I made with it all, next time actually bother to talk to HCMD/site admin instead of just making a random post from nowhere, if you dont bother talking to us WE DEAL WITH ANYWAY, it just shows that you guys dont want to bother telling us until things start stacking up in stupid quantities, this is the SECOND TIME out of the 2 TIMES ive received a complaint from research. Next time it stacks this high or you choose not to tell us for a 2 weeks+ im not dealing with it. 1 2 "A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAim Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, Rangiatea said: "Noone joins the server to play D class" is just completely wrong Facts yo Retired Imperial RP Super Admin and Grand General Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomato Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rangiatea said: Right ive finished off reading that and edited the original reply I made with it all, next time actually bother to talk to HCMD/site admin instead of just making a random post from nowhere, if you dont bother talking to us WE DEAL WITH ANYWAY, it just shows that you guys dont want to bother telling us until things start stacking up in stupid quantities, this is the SECOND TIME out of the 2 TIMES ive received a complaint from research. Next time it stacks this high or you choose not to tell us for a 2 weeks+ im not dealing with it. Fair enough. I appreciate you reading the document and giving a response. Its much appreciated. Whenever you want to talk im open Former DHOR Tomato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOBeanz Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 I too had a short amount of time to be aware of the still-ongoing issues with research that resulted in this post being created. (About an hour ago I learned about all these complaints, and learning that RIG was still not an effective solution to the escorting problem.) Let's all just keep some perspective now, and realize this letter is written as a result of a compiling feeling of complaint about several aspects of the server, from several people. We will work with Research to make sure their branch can run effectively while addressing these complaints from a fair perspective of all branches. There's no need to all start jumping in on this thread now with retorts to these complaints; Let's all just agree to keep in mind more tactful ways to go about addressing the need for change in the future. O5-9: "Misfortune" A.K.A. "Mr. Unlucky" "Accidents Happen-- Mostly to me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangiatea Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 31 minutes ago, Tomato said: Fair enough. I appreciate you reading the document and giving a response. Its much appreciated. Whenever you want to talk im open technically im on LOA until sunday but if you see me on ts just message me (preferably not when im on "craptop") "A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionicle Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 I laughed at the ci section. If you think meta gaming is Happening, then call staff, but realistically, there would be no situation where CI would not raid during a mass test/event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Mike Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) I'm just gonna assume E-11 isn't in the MTF section because it's not our job to escort. Edited May 27, 2020 by ReZVoRtEx24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Inaccurate Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Glad to see Utility aint on this. But as Rang said, you should bring this to HCMD/Site Admin instead of on the fourms. 1 "Pay increase declined. Welcome to the Foundation, get used to it." -O5-6 3rd time Head of Medical Staff | Ex-Director of Research and Security | Ex-Director of Utility | Ex-Senior Admin for SCP-RP | Ex-Admin for TTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomato Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, [GL] Inaccurate said: Glad to see Utility aint on this. But as Rang said, you should bring this to HCMD/Site Admin instead of on the fourms. Yea, no one really had any issues with Utility. So keep up the good work i guess Former DHOR Tomato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry S. Plinkett Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Thanks for saying what I don't got the kahonas to say. 21 hours ago, Rangiatea said: Right ive finished off reading that and edited the original reply I made with it all, next time actually bother to talk to HCMD/site admin instead of just making a random post from nowhere, if you dont bother talking to us WE DEAL WITH ANYWAY, it just shows that you guys dont want to bother telling us until things start stacking up in stupid quantities, this is the SECOND TIME out of the 2 TIMES ive received a complaint from research. Next time it stacks this high or you choose not to tell us for a 2 weeks+ im not dealing with it. "Next time it stacks this high or you choose not to tell us for a 2 weeks+ im not dealing with it." Sounds an awful lot like "I won't do anything you want me to out of spite" 21 hours ago, turner6372 said: i got to the beginning of gensec and can i just say though that we are sorry that we cannot give that that poor junior a escort since most of the time got to deal with riots while making sure that junior dont die from dclass, also i agree with rang you didn't do the beginning words right. (sounds more like a diss then it should be in my opinion ) One guy with his fists out or someone stuck in the elevator during hands up isn't a riot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangiatea Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Harry S. Plinkett said: "Next time it stacks this high or you choose not to tell us for a 2 weeks+ im not dealing with it." Sounds an awful lot like "I won't do anything you want me to out of spite" noone from research tells us things until they get to states where its just piles of problems, if they dont want to be bothered to tell us things when they happen or soon after Im simply not going to deal with them until a later date. all of these problems where not made known to site admin until this post was made. Not. A. Single. Message. if its not enough of a problem to actually message someone to fix it until its piles of stuff its not a problem enough for me to be bothered to deal with it for a week. Ive got other things I can do for example: Watching the staff for promotions/helping them out, helping out the branches that communicate with Site Admin, doing something interesting like playing D class or dealing with a D class riot or playing on one of my RP characters. and thats just the ones I can think of from the top of my head that is ingame "A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridian Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 11 hours ago, Harry S. Plinkett said: One guy with his fists out or someone stuck in the elevator during hands up isn't a riot. No, you're right, that isn't a riot; however when there's a total of like 8 gensec in D Block and half of them are dead from constant dclass with guns and knives that don't have to wait any NLR? That's a riot, now i won't lie it really annoys me when a researcher comes into DBlock and doesn't immediately see dclass rioting so they get in a hissy fit cause "they aren't rioting" so this is a bit biased i suppose, but GenSec literally spend a good 80% of their time in DBlock, with Dclass so, if anyone that's NCO+ says there is a riot, chances are, there is a riot or has just been a riot, and yes we tend to keep partial on for a while but we do this to bore the Dclass so those that are rioting will stop rioting and when they do stop rioting, if we have the numbers, we'll be happy to send escorts.(Just a side note but to any research reading this, close the damn doors behind you, especially in DBlock, I don't think I could count the amount of times a researcher has walked in just idled next to one of the barricades and left a door open leaving Dclass to just run through and if you're thinking we should just shoot them before they get past, a good chunk of the time half of us cant shoot cause you stand directly in the way of our fire.) Also turning the protocol back down so like from partial too hands up or hands up too nothing is a massive risk as they usually use that to just instantly rush you, and again, DBlock is our priority, not escorts. || Retired GenSec || STARS || J04 "Crest" || Foul Tarnished || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hope Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Meridian said: No, you're right, that isn't a riot; however when there's a total of like 8 gensec in D Block and half of them are dead from constant dclass with guns and knives that don't have to wait any NLR? That's a riot, now i won't lie it really annoys me when a researcher comes into DBlock and doesn't immediately see dclass rioting so they get in a hissy fit cause "they aren't rioting" so this is a bit biased i suppose, but GenSec literally spend a good 80% of their time in DBlock, with Dclass so, if anyone that's NCO+ says there is a riot, chances are, there is a riot or has just been a riot, and yes we tend to keep partial on for a while but we do this to bore the Dclass so those that are rioting will stop rioting and when they do stop rioting, if we have the numbers, we'll be happy to send escorts.(Just a side note but to any research reading this, close the damn doors behind you, especially in DBlock, I don't think I could count the amount of times a researcher has walked in just idled next to one of the barricades and left a door open leaving Dclass to just run through and if you're thinking we should just shoot them before they get past, a good chunk of the time half of us cant shoot cause you stand directly in the way of our fire.) Also turning the protocol back down so like from partial too hands up or hands up too nothing is a massive risk as they usually use that to just instantly rush you, and again, DBlock is our priority, not escorts. I will take this up during our meeting, especially the topic about when and when not to go in to d block and the topic of closing door since it has been a repeated offence that I have seen researchers done Hopefully this would make a change. osu! achiever? I don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridian Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Hope said: I will take this up during our meeting, especially the topic about when and when not to go in to d block and the topic of closing door since it has been a repeated offence that I have seen researchers done Hopefully this would make a change. I appreciate that, hopefully with the rise in our numbers we can help you guys do more research aswell || Retired GenSec || STARS || J04 "Crest" || Foul Tarnished || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdec29 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 bruh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry S. Plinkett Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 I wonder why my reply was deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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