October Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) What you want to see? - It simply doesn’t make sense for utility to be combative, so I would like to see ACM no longer viewed as a combat class and more of a “self defense” class. Why should we add it? - I’ve made my opinion clear on utility being combatants and you can all give me hate for this, but I don’t think utility has a role in being watered down MTF, and therefore I don’t think ACM should be a glorified security job. For example, today I was flying around spectating people as I do on staff and I see 3 ACM at the end of d-block hallway with an awp just shooting in, I don’t think that should be medical’s role. Furthermore, CI no longer attack utility and there is a branch dedicated to stopping CI (O-9) and one of E11’s biggest jobs is stopping CI. It’s unneeded and at this point they’ve turned into GENSEC with a medkit. Yes, there is an argument that MTF needs a mobile medic and this class fulfills it more than a regular field medic can, but MTF already have a medical job (except E11). What are the advantages of having this? - I think it doesn’t make sense for the position to exist, while I recognize that medical deserves their level job I just don’t think this is it. The advantage would be that it simply makes sense. Who is it mainly for? - just for people who don’t believe it makes sense for any utility to be a combatant class. It also helps Nu7 because ACM takes away one of their main jobs which is reinforcing d-block, we’ve gotta give Nu7 some love. Links to any content - N/A Anyways I’m prob about to lose a bunch of rep which makes me sad but whatever, I don’t mean this as a shitpost this is my actual opinion. Please leave a +/- support and don’t start a fight. (EDIT): many people have commented that it is currently a self defense class, but this is false. Please understand that this is a combat class similar to MTF (according to both Hoovy and Inaccurate). Edited May 14, 2020 by October 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Propane Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 +/- support I think it should only be allowed if asked by MTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Inaccurate Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) -Support You're literally trying to make this a Field Medic Class. Edited May 14, 2020 by [GL] Inaccurate "Pay increase declined. Welcome to the Foundation, get used to it." -O5-6 3rd time Head of Medical Staff | Ex-Director of Research and Security | Ex-Director of Utility | Ex-Senior Admin for SCP-RP | Ex-Admin for TTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creamey Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, [GL] Inaccurate said: -Support [SCP-RP] Retired Head Of Security || Retired Field Work Manager || Retired OM3 || Retired Event Team Member [JvS no more] Former FIRST The Grand Inquisitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTimeInbound Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 -Support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarg Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 -Support SCPRP Former Head Of Medical Staff | "I was hom" | PhD in botching surgeriesImperialRP Former 69th Medical Corps Senior Commander and Former Commander "What do you mean the patient needs to have a spine to survive?"-Some researcher (probably) Former ImperialRP Senior AdminCERTIFIED MEDIC MAIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I disappear Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 -support Honestly med bay gets fucked in the ass WAYYY to often and I think we need a combat class to protect us. 'Cause you can't feel my anger You can't feel my pain You can't feel my torment Driving me insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack (utility one) Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 -support We aren't security. If anyone is acting like security then ask someone in command (like me). But when D-block is rioting (which is going on a lot more and worse lately) then it helps security out. Also remember that escaping D-block is supposed to be hard. With CI I can understand especially with the new rules in place but you also have to remember that ACM is usually empty and can always be changed in the future to expand on the growing rules and interactions with CI. But for D-class, again especially with the riots starting to happen for hours on end, it is needed. It ruins all RP for research and utility and this is there to help. NOTE- I am not against making it 'self-defense' to CI (even tho not for it either) but for D-class it is necessary. There are gods in Alabama: Jack Daniel's, high school quarterbacks, trucks, big tits, and also Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieHugger21 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, [GL] Inaccurate said: -Support You're literally trying to make this a Field Medic Class. Ex-Ahome Cookie | Chicken Pot Pie is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Boekhom Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 The thing is ACM's should ONLY be able to attack in self defense, not just full combat that makes it a bit better, as they're still prime thing is for healing not for combat so +/- support Chad of many names Professional Shit talker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigTheAddictiveSubstanceGuy Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 +support at least make them have less powerful wepin and/or less armor/health Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Local Soviet Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 -Support They aren't suppose to be a combatant class, they are suppose to be a self-defense class. Report to your command if they are doing otherwise. SCP-RP - Former Assistant Head of Research | Former OMI-9 2LT | Former GenSec 2LT ⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⊰⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅∙∘☽༓☾∘∙•⋅⋅⋅•⋅⋅⊰⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Inaccurate Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Your Local Soviet said: -Support They aren't suppose to be a combatant class, they are suppose to be a self-defense class. Report to your command if they are doing otherwise. They are a combatant class "Pay increase declined. Welcome to the Foundation, get used to it." -O5-6 3rd time Head of Medical Staff | Ex-Director of Research and Security | Ex-Director of Utility | Ex-Senior Admin for SCP-RP | Ex-Admin for TTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Local Soviet Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, [GL] Inaccurate said: They are a combatant class Think of it as the RIG Unit within Research, they are tasked with escorting researchers, acting out only in self-defense. This same rule is applied with the Advanced Combat Medic, instead of escorting they have different priorities within the act of self-defense for certain jobs. They aren't General Security or MTF. Edited May 14, 2020 by Your Local Soviet SCP-RP - Former Assistant Head of Research | Former OMI-9 2LT | Former GenSec 2LT ⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⊰⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅∙∘☽༓☾∘∙•⋅⋅⋅•⋅⋅⊰⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
October Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Your Local Soviet said: -Support They aren't suppose to be a combatant class, they are suppose to be a self-defense class. Report to your command if they are doing otherwise. You’re misreading the suggestion, they ARE a combat class and I’m suggesting to make it a self defense class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Inaccurate Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Your Local Soviet said: Think of it as the RIG Unit within Research, they are tasked with escorting researchers, acting out only in self-defense. This same rule is applied with the Advanced Combat Medic, instead of escorting they have different priorities within the act of self-defense for certain jobs. They aren't General Security or MTF. I was told by Site Admin/SMT otherwise chief. "Pay increase declined. Welcome to the Foundation, get used to it." -O5-6 3rd time Head of Medical Staff | Ex-Director of Research and Security | Ex-Director of Utility | Ex-Senior Admin for SCP-RP | Ex-Admin for TTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creamey Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, CraigTheAddictiveSubstanceGuy said: +support at least make them have less powerful wepin and/or less armor/health Area strike go pew pew 1 [SCP-RP] Retired Head Of Security || Retired Field Work Manager || Retired OM3 || Retired Event Team Member [JvS no more] Former FIRST The Grand Inquisitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOBeanz Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 -Support I haven't seen a problem with ACMs' place on the server, or the things they do, be it from a fairness or a strategy perspective. Therefore I can't honestly support changing their rules of engagement. With the loss of E11 Combat Medics, ACM have grown to fill an important role and they help out a lot to MTF, Medbay, and Gensec personnel, and also give a huge reward for medbay players to look forward to one day unlocking. The main argument I keep hearing against ACMs right now is "They're a utility job", rather than a way they are affecting balance of combat branch interactions. If they're truly unfair in some way in the current way they exist, we can think of other ways to make them more fair-- Be it through armory restrictions, stat changes, d block restrictions, etc. I don't think it's fair to completely rollback this job to self-defense only ROE though. 1 O5-9: "Misfortune" A.K.A. "Mr. Unlucky" "Accidents Happen-- Mostly to me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
October Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Your Local Soviet said: Think of it as the RIG Unit within Research, they are tasked with escorting researchers, acting out only in self-defense. This same rule is applied with the Advanced Combat Medic, instead of escorting they have different priorities within the act of self-defense for certain jobs. They aren't General Security or MTF. They are currently (in my opinion) watered down MTF, I would like them to look like a clash between RIG and field medic, which I understand many people don’t want, I just don’t think they have a role as watered down MTF/GENSEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Local Soviet Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, October said: You’re misreading the suggestion, they ARE a combat class and I’m suggesting to make it a self defense class. +Support Then I apologize, I was trying to reword it in a different way since I thought it was only suppose to be a self-defense class. 1 SCP-RP - Former Assistant Head of Research | Former OMI-9 2LT | Former GenSec 2LT ⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⊰⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅∙∘☽༓☾∘∙•⋅⋅⋅•⋅⋅⊰⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅⋅•⋅ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Inaccurate Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, CanOBeanz said: The main argument I keep hearing against ACMs right now is "They're a utility job", rather than a way they are affecting balance of combat branch interactions. If they're truly unfair in some way in the current way they exist, we can think of other ways to make them more fair-- Be it through armory restrictions, stat changes, d block restrictions, etc. I would love to work with you guys if it is an actual issue, but as Beanz said, your only argument is cause it's a Utility Job. "Pay increase declined. Welcome to the Foundation, get used to it." -O5-6 3rd time Head of Medical Staff | Ex-Director of Research and Security | Ex-Director of Utility | Ex-Senior Admin for SCP-RP | Ex-Admin for TTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Propane Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 I would like for them to only be allowed to engage if MTF allows or under 10 MTF are on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourCat Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 -Support This isn't Advanced "Defense" medic, this is a combat medic. It combats. Simple. Get rid of it and its a fancy player model. It shouldn't even be a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Zeus Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 2 hours ago, [GL] Inaccurate said: -Support You're literally trying to make this a Field Medic Class. 2 hours ago, CanOBeanz said: -Support I haven't seen a problem with ACMs' place on the server, or the things they do, be it from a fairness or a strategy perspective. Therefore I can't honestly support changing their rules of engagement. With the loss of E11 Combat Medics, ACM have grown to fill an important role and they help out a lot to MTF, Medbay, and Gensec personnel, and also give a huge reward for medbay players to look forward to one day unlocking. The main argument I keep hearing against ACMs right now is "They're a utility job", rather than a way they are affecting balance of combat branch interactions. If they're truly unfair in some way in the current way they exist, we can think of other ways to make them more fair-- Be it through armory restrictions, stat changes, d block restrictions, etc. I don't think it's fair to completely rollback this job to self-defense only ROE though. It’s a ‘Combat’ Medic Former || SCP-RP: Commander of Epsilon-11 || Chaos Insurgency Captain || Senior Admin || Forums Diplomat || Rho-36 Arcane Autonomous Scout || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired DoTF Daedran Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Your Local Soviet said: -Support They aren't suppose to be a combatant class, they are suppose to be a self-defense class. Report to your command if they are doing otherwise. [Former] Director of Containment | [Current] MTF A1 RRH Operative OH0 | [Former] MTF A1 Executive Commander EC98 | [Former] SCP-RP Moderator"He who acts on his own desire, breeds Pestilence" ~ Daedran 2019 | "Director Rangiatea is not allowed to do “!slay director” and claim Director Blackbeard had a heart attack." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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