Oranges Player Report

[[GL] Zeus]

8 hours ago, Breen said:

-support

you engaged combat were they just supposed to sit there and let you kill them at that point?

 

8 hours ago, [GL] Inaccurate said:

-Support

The cold-silver was esorting the DoC. Due to the fact that the DoC requested him to do so, the Coldsilver was technically in RP when on surface, as site administration requested that they escort them.

 

3 hours ago, ReZVoRtEx24 said:

Your E4 brought us to a staff sit and explained this and even the staff said i was in the right my SOP states I may go onsite during a Defcon 4 if called by onsite Command. I was escorting the DoC as I can escort Site Admin if A1 dont have enough on. No matter how much you disagree DoC is Command and if Im escorting him I am onsite SMT have to approve of branch SOP's so I am allowed to do whats on my SOP including being on site if requested especially by Site Admin. Im also not gonna sit back and watch you kill my VIP. Also if E11 are "Supposed" to be offsite no matter what your E4 should have ignored him as he is "Offsite" the moment he interacts with us we are in RP.

CI shouldn’t have interacted in the first place, 

D4 is allowed to escort, and the moment the CI shot then they are in RP

-Support

8 hours ago, Coltable said:

+Support Its clear violation against the MOTD. Also Running up to E4 Operatives and engaging conversation/antagonizing them is another big no no, Makes it look like he was intending on pissing off the E4 Operative for the sack of causing a issue.

How is E11 in RP supposed to know this lmao, they are opposing factions 

[Munchies]

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[[GL] Dtscalice]

-support 

-if the Coldsilver was requested on site by the DoC and was protecting him the coldsilver is tevhnically in RP while i understand that MOTD is over everything as you instigated combat with the DoC even if antagonizer the ColdSilver unit was doing their job by protecting the V.I.P but also the DoC was on E11 CMDR job and ad a result i feel should have followed E11 rules

 

[BadAim]

-Support

If requested to be on-site by site CMD, E11 may enter the site. As the D4 was requested onto site by the DoC he was in the right to be there. This has been apart of the E-11 SOP since Late July. The D4 also did not attack you or interact with you until you attacked the DoC, so I see no rules broken here.

[Hoovy]

I'm confused. Why did you not call staff in game? This report seems like something that could easily be handled in game.

[Giovanni]

1 hour ago, Hoovy said:

I'm confused. Why did you not call staff in game? This report seems like something that could easily be handled in game.

Apparently the shades did and the staff said the coldsilver was right

[Orange 🍊]

1 hour ago, Hoovy said:

I'm confused. Why did you not call staff in game? This report seems like something that could easily be handled in game.

The staff said to continue it on the forums

[Neo]

May you show evidence of the operatives being requested "on-site" even though they are on the surface.
 

[Rookieblue]

This particular report has a variety of issues that need to be addressed and dealt with to ensure there are no misunderstandings moving forward.

1) MOTD vs SOP

The MOTD is the law of the land, so to speak. No branch SOP can trump was is stated in the MOTD, as such, the standing rule at the time of this incident was "You may not shoot/interfere with Chaos Insurgency/D-Class that are outside the foundation unless it is on Defcon 3 or lower, and Epsilon-11 has been called. You are to act as if you were not there." In this instance, it was DEFCON 4, meaning that E-11 should not engage with CI personnel in RP situations at all.

The relevant portions of the E-11 SOP state "Do not enter the facility until it is Defcon 3! The only other time you are allowed to enter is if you were requested to enter by onsite command" and "You are not to shoot or interfere with Chaos Insurgency/D class outside the foundation unless it is Defcon 3 or lower, or Epsilon-11 has been called for assistance". The first quoted portion conflicts with the MOTD and is invalid. The second quoted portion applies to this specific situation, and again, conflicts with the MOTD and is invalid.

2) Acting in RP and Out of RP

You can not have a situation where you're walking around "out of RP" see something happen and suddenly decide to "hop in RP". There is no either or. An example of this is the protection extended to GENSEC Trainers and Trainees (among other branches). GENSEC Trainers are protected from being attacked by D-Class, SCPs, and CI, as they are outside of RP training new personnel. In that same vain however, Trainers are also barred from engaging D-Class, SCPs, and CI, as they should not be attacking other people and abusing their protection. As such, according to the MOTD, this E-11 operative was outside of RP while walking with the DOC despite being requested to escort him, as that request conflicts with the MOTD, and is prohibited from engaging CI personnel.

 

As such, my final decision in this is as follows:

Given the various factors involved in this report, such as confusion between MOTD vs SOP supremacy, the E-11 being requested to guard the DOC, and the clear directive of the MOTD, I will not be issuing a warning or taking enforcement action against the player in question. HOWEVER, this decision servers as a notice to all branches, reinforced by my personal conversations with each branch's command yesterday, that that MOTD is the law of the land. Any further actions that violate the MOTD, even if in compliance with branch SOPs, will result in warnings or other sanctions. Additionally, E-11 Command is directed to ensure their SOP is in compliance with the MOTD, or go through proper channels to suggest edits to the MOTD.