Orange 🍊 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) Your in game name: Orange Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:121830468 The player's in game name: STF D4 Gamma WW2 The player's steam ID (required): STEAM_0:1:163987278 What did the player do: Interacting with (And Killing) CI during a defcon 4 on surface Evidence (required): What do you believe should happen to the player: Any extra information:https://gyazo.com/2fcef77998b27bfd4b2116cb138dcaaf Per MOTD it say's "You may not shoot/interfere with Chaos Insurgency/D-Class that are outside the foundation unless it is on Defcon 3 or lower, and Epsilon-11 has been called. You are to act as if you were not there." The CI member shoots at the DOC who was antagonizing him and getting in his way ( https://gyazo.com/b53b5441db5f74c721b886b63cde0203 ) and the e11 member (The coldsilver) should not have shot at the CI member as it was not a defcon 3 and per the MOTD "You are to act as if you were not there" Before this is brought up "and" meaning one must occur for the other to occur. The word "or" meaning they can happen at different at different times. *Edit* Let's leave +/- only please, and leave toxicity and sarcasm out, I just wanted to bring up an issue that has consistently been denied and avoided. Edited April 7, 2020 by Official Orange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breen Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 -support you engaged combat were they just supposed to sit there and let you kill them at that point? gog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange 🍊 Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Breen said: -support you engaged combat were they just supposed to sit there and let you kill them at that point? He engaged combat with the DOC antagonizing him, not the e11 member, the cold silver should not have interfered as it was not defcon 3 or lower. This wasn't a report on the player being shot at, its on the one behind third partying. Edited April 6, 2020 by Official Orange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Official Orange said: 4 minutes ago, Breen said: -support you engaged combat were they just supposed to sit there and let you kill them at that point? He engaged combat with the DOC antagonizing him, not the e11 member, the cold silver should not have interfered as it was not defcon 3 or lower. SCP-RP Moderator | CI LTCOL Boozle LC32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltable Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Official Orange said: He engaged combat with the DOC antagonizing him, not the e11 member, the cold silver should not have interfered as it was not defcon 3 or lower. +Support Its clear violation against the MOTD. Also Running up to E4 Operatives and engaging conversation/antagonizing them is another big no no, Makes it look like he was intending on pissing off the E4 Operative for the sack of causing a issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Inaccurate Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) -Support The cold-silver was esorting the DoC. Due to the fact that the DoC requested him to do so, the Coldsilver was technically in RP when on surface, as site administration requested that they escort them. Edited April 6, 2020 by [GL] Inaccurate "Pay increase declined. Welcome to the Foundation, get used to it." -O5-6 3rd time Head of Medical Staff | Ex-Director of Research and Security | Ex-Director of Utility | Ex-Senior Admin for SCP-RP | Ex-Admin for TTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange 🍊 Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, [GL] Inaccurate said: -Support The cold-silver was esorting the DoC. Due to the fact that the DoC requested him to do so, the Coldsilver was technically in RP when on surface, as site administration requested that they escort them. The fact the he was escorting still does not change what the MOTD says, the cold sliver was not suppose to interfere with the CI and should have "Acted as if you he was not there". There is nothing against the cold silver being with him but the cold silver should have been OOC when the CI started firing at the DOC since it was a defcon 4, A1 should have been with him instead to play it safer. Edited April 6, 2020 by Official Orange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Inaccurate Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Just now, Official Orange said: The fact the he was escorting still does not change what the MOTD says, the cold sliver was not suppose to interfere with the CI and should have "Acted as if you he was not there". There is nothing against the cold silver being with him but the cold silver should have been OOC when the CI started firing at the DOC since it was a defcon 4. High Command+ can allow E-11 "on-site" during Defcon 4 "Pay increase declined. Welcome to the Foundation, get used to it." -O5-6 3rd time Head of Medical Staff | Ex-Director of Research and Security | Ex-Director of Utility | Ex-Senior Admin for SCP-RP | Ex-Admin for TTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange 🍊 Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 minute ago, [GL] Inaccurate said: High Command+ can allow E-11 "on-site" during Defcon 4 Quote it from the MOTD please, SOP's are meaningless when compared to the MOTD. I'll stop responding from now on to avoid arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dang Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Coltable said: +Support Its clear violation against the MOTD. Also Running up to E4 Operatives and engaging conversation/antagonizing them is another big no no, Makes it look like he was intending on pissing off the E4 Operative for the sack of causing a issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starr Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 +support though people hate it, MOTD trumps everything. insert cliched signature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Mike Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Your E4 brought us to a staff sit and explained this and even the staff said i was in the right my SOP states I may go onsite during a Defcon 4 if called by onsite Command. I was escorting the DoC as I can escort Site Admin if A1 dont have enough on. No matter how much you disagree DoC is Command and if Im escorting him I am onsite SMT have to approve of branch SOP's so I am allowed to do whats on my SOP including being on site if requested especially by Site Admin. Im also not gonna sit back and watch you kill my VIP. Also if E11 are "Supposed" to be offsite no matter what your E4 should have ignored him as he is "Offsite" the moment he interacts with us we are in RP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giovanni Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) -Support-First and foremost, the shades clearly engaged in combat here -The Coldsilver was escorting a member of Site Admin, one of their duties. If the member of site admin is attacked, they should retaliate. -Epsilon-11 is in fact allowed to patrol surface, just like CI, however, they are not to attack unless attacked.-Since the Shades engaged in combat on a VIP that the Coldsilver was protecting, the Coldsilver was clearly doing his job by defending his VIP. Edited April 7, 2020 by Jojo's Reference Retired E11 CMDR | Retired Admin | CI CPT | Event Team Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GL] Mike Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 4 hours ago, [GL] Inaccurate said: High Command+ can allow E-11 "on-site" during Defcon 4 Not even just High Command ANY onsite command Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltable Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jojo's Reference said: -Support-First and foremost, the shades clearly engaged in combat here -The Coldsilver was escorting a member of Site Admin, one of their duties. If the member of site admin is attacked, they should retaliate. -Epsilon-11 is in fact allowed to patrol surface, just like CI, however, they are not to attack unless attacked.-Since the Shades engaged in combat on a VIP that the Coldsilver was protecting, the Coldsilver was clearly doing his job by defending his VIP. 27 minutes ago, ReZVoRtEx24 said: Your E4 brought us to a staff sit and explained this and even the staff said i was in the right my SOP states I may go onsite during a Defcon 4 if called by onsite Command. I was escorting the DoC as I can escort Site Admin if A1 dont have enough on. No matter how much you disagree DoC is Command and if Im escorting him I am onsite SMT have to approve of branch SOP's so I am allowed to do whats on my SOP including being on site if requested especially by Site Admin. Im also not gonna sit back and watch you kill my VIP. Also if E11 are "Supposed" to be offsite no matter what your E4 should have ignored him as he is "Offsite" the moment he interacts with us we are in RP. 2 minutes ago, ReZVoRtEx24 said: Not even just High Command ANY onsite command Can you show me where it says this on the MOTD? MOTD comes before SOP and its clear to me your SOP does not a line with the MOTD E-11 rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltable Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Just now, Breen said: guess its time to delete all SOPs and only go by the MOTD. Im sensing some sarcasm coming from you so im not going to continue this if its going to become an argument. E-11's MOTD states one thing while the SOP says the opposite. Its an easy fix and shouldnt be made into something so big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Official Orange said: Per MOTD it say's "You may not shoot/interfere with Chaos Insurgency/D-Class that are outside the foundation unless it is on Defcon 3 or lower, and Epsilon-11 has been called. You are to act as if you were not there." This sounds like more of a SOP vs MOTD problem than a player problem The MOTD should be updated to include E-11 patrol on surface and If E11 is called the defcon should be move to 3 You don't have to be the best, you just got to be better than dip shit over there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltable Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rabbit said: This sounds like more of a SOP vs MOTD problem than a player problem The MOTD should be updated to include E-11 patrol on surface and If E11 is called the defcon should be move to 3 +support 100% agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritz Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 27 minutes ago, Gh0pit said: this is a shitshow, glad to see CI and MTF relations are good Was Nu7 2LT Shot Once Was a Nu7 MSGT also was a CI Captain once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[CCG] Camo Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 I only poopoofarted for the GOOD of humanity +Support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdogz1 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 6 hours ago, [GL] Inaccurate said: -Support The cold-silver was esorting the DoC. Due to the fact that the DoC requested him to do so, the Coldsilver was technically in RP when on surface, as site administration requested that they escort them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bread Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 6 hours ago, [GL] Inaccurate said: -Support The cold-silver was esorting the DoC. Due to the fact that the DoC requested him to do so, the Coldsilver was technically in RP when on surface, as site administration requested that they escort them. lol, lmao even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookieblue Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Keep the discussion on topic to providing +/- Supports based on the evidence provided. Leave rule interpretations to the SMT staff please and avoid arguments. 1 Retired SCP-RP Head of Staff March 3rd, 2019 - December 16th, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
October Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) +support The cold silver unit did violate the MOTD, which is a definite no no. I am slightly hung up as it is understand that E11 can be on-site when requested by command during defcon 4, but I don’t think that the cold silver should’ve been involved, it should’ve been A1. (edit) Here’s a screenshot from Rang’s announcement related to this topic: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UE9FngI3WOuPJ071hY2di5hxjXtfSl7c/view?usp=drivesdk Edited April 7, 2020 by October Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8VP ツ Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 8 hours ago, [GL] Inaccurate said: -Support The cold-silver was esorting the DoC. Due to the fact that the DoC requested him to do so, the Coldsilver was technically in RP when on surface, as site administration requested that they escort them. Retired CI LTCMDR | Proud Enuzer | Roblox Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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