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What do you want to see? - I want to make it to where CI can only raid D-Block if there's a certain amount of MTF on or twice that amount with Gensec.

Why should we add it? - MTF is literally the main force that protects the Site and being as blunt as possible and in no way disrespectful, MTF is a set of dying branches. As a whole, they may get up to 7 on at one time, whereas CI would completely double that, or at the very least double the fighting force with their number of Heavy-type classes. Gensec is not made to combat CI, there may be Gensec CC's but there's rarely ever more than 2 at a time, and even then going up against even a Heavy is not a guaranteed victory. Combine that with the recent Mass D-Class riots and Gensec is literally stuck between a rock and a hard place. 

What are the advantages of having this? - CI can't raid D-Block every single time they raid, Gensec has one less problem to deal with.

Who is it mainly for? - CI/Gensec and MTF

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4 minutes ago, Bionicle said:

-support, one of our main raid goals is d class and if a pretty big restriction is put on it, then we are just fighting MTF and all that, which gets not fun after a while

 

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29 minutes ago, Bionicle said:

-support, one of our main raid goals is d class and if a pretty big restriction is put on it, then we are just fighting MTF and all that, which gets not fun after a while

Ok, do you think its fun for Gensec to fight CI Heavies, Deltas, Shades, and CI CC's when on top of that we already have D-Block destroying us? That does NOT get fun after a while. MTF is not on much at all nowadays, their activity is minimal, so when we have to do their job for them, and we don't have the numbers or the HP/AR MTF does, it gets frustrating after a while.

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1 hour ago, Bionicle said:

-support, one of our main raid goals is d class and if a pretty big restriction is put on it, then we are just fighting MTF and all that, which gets not fun after a while

 

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1 hour ago, Bionicle said:

-support, one of our main raid goals is d class and if a pretty big restriction is put on it, then we are just fighting MTF and all that, which gets not fun after a while

If MTF is dying then it's up to their command to do something, not to make a rule to force their activity

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47 minutes ago, enuz | trade.tf said:

Half of the time I see you post a D-Block suggestion, I just see you complain.

This isn't a D-Block suggestion, this is a suggestion to make there be some form of requirement or at the very least a limit to how much CI can raid D-Block.

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29 minutes ago, Gunther said:

This isn't a D-Block suggestion, this is a suggestion to make there be some form of requirement or at the very least a limit to how much CI can raid D-Block.

CI have raid limitations, if there's less than 5 armed personal, we usually don't raid. If there's less than 10 we advert it in open comms. This suggestion would cause an extreme lack of recruits. In order to join CI, you must escape as D-Class. How do most D-Class escape exactly? Do they single handedly breach all of Gensec's defenses single handedly and continue to pass through HCZ and the heavily guarded EZ? No, they don't. Most (like myself) had to either wait for level 30 to be able to crack doors (or donate) and escape the grasp of MTF. This task itself is still hard an requires to either be escorted by CI, or escape while MTF are distracted with CI and likely have to kill some of them on their way. See how hard it is to join CI without constant CI raids? And you may say, "Well its a limitation of constant CI raids on D-Block not a complete cancelation." Keep in mind, all of MTF/CI got nerfed except for GenSec, meaning that GenSec are more likely to win against CI more often than not. Also keep in mind, Shades aren't just a subdivision of CI that do like all of the enlisted, they have their own goals to complete other than just D-Block. Keep in mind 80% of our raids are for D-Block since if no R&D request SCP's, well end up only really being able to raid for D-Block. Hostages are only able to be interrogated by command, R&D, and Sawbones. In the end if this suggestion passed then not only would it be hard to join CI, new recruits would have nothing to do the majority of the time, causing massive inactivity. (CI are usually active at EST time like everyone else, so it'd be hard for non EST to have a goal to raid, we aren't allowed to raid just to cause "Chaos" btw)

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We already have enough raid restrictions I really dont see much of an issue at all. maybe once every 25mins or so you die to CI and then we are gone. We dont even always raid Dblock alone, we go for SCP's alot and every now and then we die by MTF before we even get to LCZ so it isnt even once every 25mins that you'll die to CI. And given that raiding Dblock is one of the most enjoyable things as CI and we can only do it ONCE every 20mins MAX, I'd say you guys in gensec can take the one death, and then the few mins it takes to regain control of dblock

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2 hours ago, Propane said:

Do they single handedly breach all of Gensec's defenses single handedly and continue to pass through HCZ and the heavily guarded EZ? No, they don't.

Where have you been for the last two weeks? Well, I don't know how far they make it into HCZ and EZ, but I do know they take D-Block quite fast when they have their attacks prepared.

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4 hours ago, enuz | trade.tf said:

Half of the time I see you post a D-Block suggestion, I just see you complain.

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57 minutes ago, Arium said:

-Support

 

1 hour ago, Bread said:

-Support

 

6 hours ago, Bionicle said:

-support, one of our main raid goals is d class and if a pretty big restriction is put on it, then we are just fighting MTF and all that, which gets not fun after a while

 

2 hours ago, JesusFetus said:

-support

We already have enough raid restrictions I really dont see much of an issue at all. maybe once every 25mins or so you die to CI and then we are gone. We dont even always raid Dblock alone, we go for SCP's alot and every now and then we die by MTF before we even get to LCZ so it isnt even once every 25mins that you'll die to CI. And given that raiding Dblock is one of the most enjoyable things as CI and we can only do it ONCE every 20mins MAX, I'd say you guys in gensec can take the one death, and then the few mins it takes to regain control of dblock

 

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2 hours ago, Propane said:

How do most D-Class escape exactly? Do they single handedly breach all of Gensec's defenses single handedly and continue to pass through HCZ and the heavily guarded EZ?

Well now that there is a lot of class d cc's (with molotov's) and even normal class d can have guns now it can be hard for GENSEC but I understand both sides here.

Something needs to happen/change, I don't know what but it's something.

2 hours ago, JesusFetus said:

I'd say you guys in gensec can take the one death

Most of the time it isn't on death because class d and CI (Sometimes) Like shooting us as soon as we leave spawn (Let's be honest here CI have strong weapons against gensec)

So normally when we do lose control it can be 3 - 4 deaths which is around 9 - 12 minutes of NLR.    

4 hours ago, [GL] Inaccurate said:

If MTF is dying then it's up to their command to do something, not to make a rule to force their activity

I also agree with this, MTF need to do something because GENSEC isn't equipped for CI at all, we can kinda handle them if we are lucky but it's hard to pay attention to class d and CI.

 

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GenSec can handle raids against non-heavy spams actually, last night we defeated two raids alone then third time they came in with heavies, an Abba and I believe an Alfabusa. [03/08/2020]

 

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The MTF problem being addressed would be nice though.

Proper command structure trumps all raids against D-block and as command we gotta be prepared for the rear flank to be raped by D-Class while we mow down CI in the kill funnel we call D-Block Hallway. We will continue to adapt no matter what gets thrown at us!

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14 hours ago, Bionicle said:

-support, one of our main raid goals is d class and if a pretty big restriction is put on it, then we are just fighting MTF and all that, which gets not fun after a while

 

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14 hours ago, Bionicle said:

-support, one of our main raid goals is d class and if a pretty big restriction is put on it, then we are just fighting MTF and all that, which gets not fun after a while

 

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- Ok so we have a 20 min restrictions to raids and it will take 15 mins to get to D-block from the surface that's not even including MTF A1 CCs RCF and  SCPS, So gensec have around 35mins minimum to hold D-block before CI raids, that is plenty of time for gensec to hold D-block and do there job before CI get there.

- Also gensec have lots of CCs now which are powerful than all of CI except shades.

- You also have juggernauts and Heavy classes which have more HP and armour than 70% of CI which can counter CI raids.

- You also have a choke point you can hold CI in which can be very effective to kill CI if used properly. 

- You also usually have a lot more gensec than CI that are online at one time. 

- Ci only enter D-block for about 3mins before leaving with the D-class and by that time your NLR is up and you can easily take back D-block especially when D-class most of the time have Wrench's and Axes. 

- CI have many times raided for SCPS and other high value items and Charlie 5 and for you to say we only raid D-block is a lie.

- CI get raided multiple times by Nu7 and E11 for SCPS, and A1 for data and you say all we do is raid for D-class we do a lot more than you realise. 

- Finally to finish it off D-class 90% of the time are held by gensec without any issues and can be stuck there for hours so if we now have a even longer cooldown I mean you are ruining the fun for the D-class basically ,and some D-class really wanna join CI but they will have to wait Double the time if the cooldown put in place. This can cause D-block to be even more boring than what it is. 

- Overall I think Gunther you should think of the whole picture rather than just gensec. because this cooldown can effect not just CI but D-class as well. 

 

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15 hours ago, Bionicle said:

-support, one of our main raid goals is d class and if a pretty big restriction is put on it, then we are just fighting MTF and all that, which gets not fun after a while

 

13 hours ago, enuz | trade.tf said:

Half of the time I see you post a D-Block suggestion, I just see you complain.

 

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14 hours ago, enuz | trade.tf said:

Half of the time I see you post a D-Block suggestion, I just see you complain.

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5 hours ago, BlueToxicTank said:

-Support

- Ok so we have a 20 min restrictions to raids and it will take 15 mins to get to D-block from the surface that's not even including MTF A1 CCs RCF and  SCPS, So gensec have around 35mins minimum to hold D-block before CI raids, that is plenty of time for gensec to hold D-block and do there job before CI get there.

- Also gensec have lots of CCs now which are powerful than all of CI except shades.

- You also have juggernauts and Heavy classes which have more HP and armour than 70% of CI which can counter CI raids.

- You also have a choke point you can hold CI in which can be very effective to kill CI if used properly. 

- You also usually have a lot more gensec than CI that are online at one time. 

- Ci only enter D-block for about 3mins before leaving with the D-class and by that time your NLR is up and you can easily take back D-block especially when D-class most of the time have Wrench's and Axes. 

- CI have many times raided for SCPS and other high value items and Charlie 5 and for you to say we only raid D-block is a lie.

- CI get raided multiple times by Nu7 and E11 for SCPS, and A1 for data and you say all we do is raid for D-class we do a lot more than you realise. 

- Finally to finish it off D-class 90% of the time are held by gensec without any issues and can be stuck there for hours so if we now have a even longer cooldown I mean you are ruining the fun for the D-class basically ,and some D-class really wanna join CI but they will have to wait Double the time if the cooldown put in place. This can cause D-block to be even more boring than what it is. 

- Overall I think Gunther you should think of the whole picture rather than just gensec. because this cooldown can effect not just CI but D-class as well. 

 

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Raiding for D-class is our primary way to increase our numbers, this restriction would slowly kill CI

Also without RND CI can only Raid for D-class.

I don't think you put any consideration in for how this would affect CI.

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-Support, TBF i'd rather support a buff to GenSec or more specificaly, more use of RCF to counter CI Troughout LCZ instead of only in D-Block.

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Dear anyone reading this. 
I took consideration towards this post and placed a 1 hour cool down on D-Block Raids. 
-20 Min raid timer unless a MAJ+ says other wise {got to be passed 10 minutes though}.

And D-Block raids are supposed to be at least 5 minutes long. To first kill the Gensec, and escorting. They can’t camp at gensec area.

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